It’s put me off gear for life I think, nothings worth feeling like this lol
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Feeling dead inside 6 months post PCT from Test NPP cycle
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Pray for me man! It has to be the nandrolone just hope I feel better soon it’s been 6-7 months of feeling completely hollow now.
RockyP
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One thing that won’t show up on bloodwork is how these compounds impact people psychologically. Just because someone’s test is super high doesn’t mean they’ll be aggressive or horny all the time. If a prolactin is high it could imply low dopamine (as these are inversely related) and perhaps some depressive symptoms, but far more guys get really fucked up mentally on nandrolone without these prolactin issues. And we all know our friend Tren. Some of us can run it like it’s water (bloodwork is fucked but we feel great / fine). Others can’t handle 10 mg per day. This is the shitty part of trial and error. That is, dealing with the “errors.” It’s why you’ll see current trends towards test and DHT’s like mast and primo and less nandrolone and other things. Of course, lots of guys go bald on DHT’s, get dry skin, prostate issues etc. Test is still best. With some GH. Branching out is not without risks.
I have some proviron I’m tempted to try to give me some kickstart but I’m just so burned now I don’t wanna add anything to the mix. Got a long road ahead of me it seems
RockyP
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The only thing I’d do is get on TRT and make sure your test and estrogen are normal range. I wouldn’t touch anything else. Nolva has some long acting metabolites that combined with coming off nandrolone may have made this all worse than it had to be.
Also it’s pretty self evident but aside from all this you should try to find a qualified professional (it’s not easy; most are just crazy women who will yes you to death and infantilize you making you feel worse) to talk to about the personal shit that went down.
Just remember. This will pass. But it doesn’t need to be as awful as it is right now. Get your sex hormones situated and talk to someone.
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your levels seem normal, maybe try some pramipexole to nudge dopamine which could be a factor, but unlikely so long out. you could try oral e2 as well, if it makes a difference thats it. your blood levels are normal. there could be some receptor downregulation who knows. maybe give a higher dose HCG a shot, like 3x2kIU/week. this will ramp T/E2 you should feel a difference. HCG will shut you down over time, i'd try for 1-2 weeks
Elektrobot
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Any chance you checked your DHT?
When I had high SHBG and low DHT, my sex drive was pretty low despite having normal test and estradiol levels.
Also... don't be quick to blame hormones. Be honest with yourself and summarize things in your life that may be contributing to they way you are feeling.
Use some of the energy you have for bloodwork and checking hormones on finding and talking with a mental health professional and create a plan to keep you safe and healthy while you go through this.
I’ve tried therapy over the years here and there for the sake of my partner when we’ve experienced losses in the family but it honestly doesn’t do much for me. My background is in psychology so it’s hard when you know how the burgers made. I will say I’m usually very well adjusted and resilient with my mental health so I know it’s chemical which is why I’m so intent on figuring out what it is.
I’ve been on finasteride to save my hair for around 15 years so my DHT has always been crushed tbh with no noticeable sides on my mood. Came off it for the NPP but been back on since so DHT is likely very low at the moment.
Thank you for your concern and kind words though I appreciate it man. I’m very lucky to be married to an amazing supportive person who helps carry me through these lows, I just wanna be as useful for them too, which will take fixing whatever is going on with me.
Maybe it just needs time and I have to ride it out but holy shit is it tough.
Don't. There's a massive body of knowledge and experience on these things and there's a reason the long esters are preferred when stability is the aim. The notion that it's less of a "rollercoaster" is entirely, empirically wrong; people take it specifically for the more rapid onset and higher peak, even though it also means a deeper trough and more rapidly fluctuating serum test concentration.
This reads to me like someone taking a SERM... clomiphene, tamoxifen, etc. This is exactly what one would expect from a pituitary trying to compensate during an estrogen receptor blockade. Is that the case?
Otherwise, the next most likely rebound from a long period of AI use. It seems like you're pretty quick to jump to those.
None of those, however, is very likely to cause persistent anhedonia.
Otherwise, the next most likely rebound from a long period of AI use. It seems like you're pretty quick to jump to those.
None of those, however, is very likely to cause persistent anhedonia.
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