First Cycle, Looking for Advice

[extraz1]

Hey guys, I'm extraz, relatively new to the forum but I've been doing plenty of research for the past few months and want to begin my first cycle. I'm definitely less educated than most of the users on here, so I'm looking for some constructive criticism on what my next steps should be.

Before I start all of this I'm going to get bloodwork to see my:
T, Free T, E2, SHBG, T3, T4, Liver Panel (AST,ALT,ALP) Lipid Panel (Cholesterol, HDL,LDL,Triglycerides, C/HDL Ratio, Non-HDL Cholesterol) Basic Metabolic Panel + Blood Counts and my CBC.
Surprisingly for all of this its like $170, I found a great site.

My Cycle Plan:
490 mg Test P (70 mg daily injections - morning) for 12 weeks. Side Note: I saw a story on someone using 200mg/ml concentration of Test P and having a really rough time with PIP, I'm personally going to go with 100mg/ml.
6 iu gh - daily at night (6 iu is probably the most I'll go up to)
250 iu HCG 3x a week - morning (seen a lot on HCG, 250 iu doesn't effect e2 as much as higher doses do and keeps the testes alive)
12.5 mg aromasin 3x a week on hand (will decide to use after I get my bloodwork done 4-6 weeks on cycle, depends how I aromatize)
After 12 weeks I'm going to just chill on 280mg (40mg daily - morning) for the next few months

Going to be injecting with this since I'm doing relatively small injections due to the half life Test P has (a friend uses this, he highly suggested it):


Ancillaries + Supplements (with a short explanation on why I'm taking it + sources)

Morning (upon waking)​

Telmisartan 40 mg – Empty stomach
ARB that lowers blood pressure and improves insulin sensitivity to counter androgen-induced hypertension
source

Morning (with/after breakfast)​

Ezetimibe 10 mg – With food
Blocks intestinal cholesterol absorption to reduce LDL by 15–25%, protecting cardiovascular health
source
Fish oil 2 g EPA+DHA – With fatty meal
Lowers triglycerides and provides anti-inflammatory omega-3s to support heart health on cycle
source
TUDCA 250 mg – First dose with breakfast
Reduces ER stress and liver enzyme elevation from hormones/meds, supporting liver regeneration
source
CoQ10 100 mg – With fatty meal
Mitochondrial antioxidant that supports energy production and counters statin-like lipid effects
source

Evening (with/after dinner)​

TUDCA 250 mg – Second dose with dinner
Maintains steady hepatoprotection throughout day, split dosing prevents GI upset
source
Isotretinoin 10 mg – With fatty meal
Low-dose acne control
source

Night (30–60 min before bed)​

Melatonin 100 mg – Right before bed
Regulates sleep-wake cycle and provides antioxidant support (megadose, monitor side effects)
100mg is a lot but I saw multiple studies that found great benefits. If it's not for me I'll throw it out.
source

Right now I'm running Upper Lower (Upper Monday, Lower Wednesday, Upper Friday) and on my off days (Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday) I do an hour of cardio. I have a clean diet consisting of mainly milk, eggs, cheese, meat (chicken/steak, fish as well) and sometimes rice + avocado (probably 3x a week).
My diet + cardio should keep my health in check and the ancillaries + supplements would help as well.
I'm getting my test + HCG from WWB, ancillaries from indiamart, and supplements from amazon. The HGH market recently has been concerning but I'll probably get WWB's 36 iu kits. If anyone wants to suggest a different source your welcome to, the purity of WWB's test I saw was insanely low (75%).
If I'm doing anything wrong, please let me know. I'm definitely open to learning and taking advice.

 

[Trainedbytylerlofthouse19]

Age, weight, height, training history?

 

[extraz1]

25, 5'10", 175 lbs , 3.5y training

Age, weight, height, training history?

 

[BabaJagga]

i wouldnt inject 75% purity gh and would swap P for C ester. 2x per week 1ml shot, thanks me later. you can stretch it to 16-20 weeks (or year like me lol)

 

[BabaJagga]

also, if you are not trully lean and wanna cruise after, start at 200-250mg or whatever cruise dose you choose and cut hard first.
ive made a mistake that i thought that i was lean (i was not) and started bulking. ended up with hba1c at 5.7 and fat fat.

you will respond to drugs and food much much better when you start with low bf%.

 

[delay3s]

I agree test C or E will be more ideal than Test P ED injections, and I would not limit yourself to 12 weeks I would go at least 16 weeks or as long as you can until bloods look off or something else is off. What’s your bf% and goals with the cycle? The best/most reliable hgh on the market atm is probably Tracy’s and you could pick up some Reta with the hgh to keep you insulin sensitive on the hgh and minimize fat gain. Then again I don’t know your starting point and goals with the cycle

 

[extraz1]

I agree test C or E will be more ideal than Test P ED injections, and I would not limit yourself to 12 weeks I would go at least 16 weeks or as long as you can until bloods look off or something else is off. What’s your bf% and goals with the cycle? The best/most reliable hgh on the market atm is probably Tracy’s and you could pick up some Reta with the hgh to keep you insulin sensitive on the hgh and minimize fat gain. Then again I don’t know your starting point and goals with the cycle

I'm around 12-14% bf, my goal is just to maximize my muscle growth and preserve my health. I'm probably going to be at maintenance or a slight lean bulk. Tracy's hgh is pretty reliable I just checked it out and they have a ton of jano testing. I'm going to submit a custom dosage and see if they'll send me two 100 iu kits. Hopefully they agree because in their China list its a minimum of 500 vials/item which is weird. But it's the best price so I'll try. Testing is recent as well. (96.976% purity is a lot better than WWB's 75%). Also, what are your thoughts on test P outperforming C due to its shorter half-life requiring frequent injections, which minimizes peak testosterone spikes that cause excessive aromatization to estrogen

 

[extraz1]

i wouldnt inject 75% purity gh and would swap P for C ester. 2x per week 1ml shot, thanks me later. you can stretch it to 16-20 weeks (or year like me lol)

also, if you are not trully lean and wanna cruise after, start at 200-250mg or whatever cruise dose you choose and cut hard first.
ive made a mistake that i thought that i was lean (i was not) and started bulking. ended up with hba1c at 5.7 and fat fat.

you will respond to drugs and food much much better when you start with low bf%.

Yeah I've seen that C is the better ester because of less PIP and scar tissue. What are your thoughts though on test P's shorter half-life requiring frequent injections, which causes less peak testosterone spikes causing less aromatization.
I'm also at 12-14% bf so I'm lean don't worry

 

[craigdt]

I love test p. Inject it every day.

Something no one else picked up on:
Are you really injecting that test oil with a 31ga needle?
Thats going to suuuuuuck.

Use 25ga or 23ga.
I know they look scary, but once you try it, its so much better.

 

[BabaJagga]

Yeah I've seen that C is the better ester because of less PIP and scar tissue. What are your thoughts though on test P's shorter half-life requiring frequent injections, which causes less peak testosterone spikes causing less aromatization.
I'm also at 12-14% bf so I'm lean don't worry

i think it doesnt matter at all especially for the first blast mate. for aromatization you use ai. if you fear that you crash your ai, grab a bottle of dbol just in case, cost very little.

if you need to adjust dose or pull out test fast, like pro bb's before competition, sure, P ester is great. they need to inject daily cause they are on unholy amount of drugs

but for average guy, first blast... i see 0 reasons to poke more holes than needed. save your muscles for the long run from scar tissue. you can still use thin needles (30G, 27G), proper 1ml syringes and have less worry about injections.

dont overcomplicate it honestly. just train properly, eat a lot and you will grow like weed after rain.

 

[adrenalytic]

What are your thoughts though on test P's shorter half-life requiring frequent injections, which causes less peak testosterone spikes causing less aromatization.

You can do daily (or EOD) injections of C for the same effect if you want. P doesn't own the rights to daily pinning. And levels will be smoother than P could ever be with it's rollercoaster half life.

 

[extraz1]

I love test p. Inject it every day.

Something no one else picked up on:
Are you really injecting that test oil with a 31ga needle?
Thats going to suuuuuuck.

Use 25ga or 23ga.
I know they look scary, but once you try it, its so much better.

Is the pain + scar tissue difference of 31 and 25/23 gauge a big difference, I've heard lower gauges like the 25 are smoother. If so I'll definitely switch

 

[Tbaz192]

You’ll have no issues with 29g
I use 29g 1/2 inch daily for my Test Cyp. Personal preference & moves easy.
31 is just slow to pin and takes a lot of pressure depending on oil thickness
12 weeks is short. Bump it to 16 weeks at least, it’s a test only cycle you’ll be fine.

100mg melatonin is going to have you groggy as fuck. Over kill, and not cost effective.

Telm at night is great. Helps with my sleep. And keeps you from getting as much fatigue from the BP control.

 

[extraz1]

You’ll have no issues with 29g
I use 29g 1/2 inch daily for my Test Cyp. Personal preference & moves easy.
31 is just slow to pin and takes a lot of pressure depending on oil thickness
12 weeks is short. Bump it to 16 weeks at least, it’s a test only cycle you’ll be fine.

100mg melatonin is going to have you groggy as fuck. Over kill, and not cost effective.

Telm at night is great. Helps with my sleep. And keeps you from getting as much fatigue from the BP control.

Yeah I'll remove the melatonin and go with some magnesium glycinate instead. I'll look into taking telm at night.
29g might be the move

 

[extraz1]

I love test p. Inject it every day.

Something no one else picked up on:
Are you really injecting that test oil with a 31ga needle?
Thats going to suuuuuuck.

Use 25ga or 23ga.
I know they look scary, but once you try it, its so much better.

23g might be overkill. The most I'm injecting is 70 mg so I can go with a 29g and be good right?

 

[IndividualMan]

Yeah I've seen that C is the better ester because of less PIP and scar tissue. What are your thoughts though on test P's shorter half-life requiring frequent injections, which causes less peak testosterone spikes causing less aromatization.
I'm also at 12-14% bf so I'm lean don't worry

shorter ester = higher peaks.
Injecting C daily is smoother than injecting P daily.
Injecting C EOD is smoother than injecting P daily.
Injecting C 2x per week is about as smoot as injecting P daily

Needles should be 29G if you are doing warmed MCT oil and 25-27G if you are doing warmed Castor oil.

 

[Tbaz192]

23g might be overkill. The most I'm injecting is 70 mg so I can go with a 29g and be good right?

I’m injecting .1ml which is 20mg and of a 200mg/ml pharma test.

Hence the smaller needle size and syringe. Just using insulin 29 off Amazon. Easy touch brand. More precise for smaller doses versus a 3ml syringe.

I back load 10 syringes @ a time since
1ml =.1ml x 10 is 200mg total
so it uses up my whole tiny 200mg vial. Just lucked out that way. But USA pharma now does single use vials only for my TRT.

Same premise with any cycle just back load the amount you want & you don’t have to set everything up every time.

 

[Tbaz192]

23g might be overkill. The most I'm injecting is 70 mg so I can go with a 29g and be good right?

I’m injecting .1ml which is 20mg and of a 200mg/ml pharma test.

Hence the smaller needle size and syringe. Just using insulin 29 off Amazon. Easy touch brand. More precise for smaller doses versus a 3ml syringe.

I back load 10 syringes @ a time since
1ml =.1ml x 10 is 200mg total
so it uses up my whole tiny 200mg vial. Just lucked out that way. But USA pharma now does single use vials only for my TRT.

Same premise with any cycle just back load the amount you want & you don’t have to set everything up every time.

 

[extraz1]

shorter ester = higher peaks.
Injecting C daily is smoother than injecting P daily.
Injecting C EOD is smoother than injecting P daily.
Injecting C 2x per week is about as smoot as injecting P daily

Needles should be 29G if you are doing warmed MCT oil and 25-27G if you are doing warmed Castor oil.

Yeah I'm probably going to with C then. Thanks for the help. I'm going to ask my source what oil is used

 

[Photon]

Hey guys, I'm extraz, relatively new to the forum but I've been doing plenty of research for the past few months and want to begin my first cycle. I'm definitely less educated than most of the users on here, so I'm looking for some constructive criticism on what my next steps should be.

Before I start all of this I'm going to get bloodwork to see my:
T, Free T, E2, SHBG, T3, T4, Liver Panel (AST,ALT,ALP) Lipid Panel (Cholesterol, HDL,LDL,Triglycerides, C/HDL Ratio, Non-HDL Cholesterol) Basic Metabolic Panel + Blood Counts and my CBC.
Surprisingly for all of this its like $170, I found a great site.

My Cycle Plan:
490 mg Test P (70 mg daily injections - morning) for 12 weeks. Side Note: I saw a story on someone using 200mg/ml concentration of Test P and having a really rough time with PIP, I'm personally going to go with 100mg/ml.
6 iu gh - daily at night (6 iu is probably the most I'll go up to)
250 iu HCG 3x a week - morning (seen a lot on HCG, 250 iu doesn't effect e2 as much as higher doses do and keeps the testes alive)
12.5 mg aromasin 3x a week on hand (will decide to use after I get my bloodwork done 4-6 weeks on cycle, depends how I aromatize)
After 12 weeks I'm going to just chill on 280mg (40mg daily - morning) for the next few months

Going to be injecting with this since I'm doing relatively small injections due to the half life Test P has (a friend uses this, he highly suggested it):
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Ancillaries + Supplements (with a short explanation on why I'm taking it + sources)

Morning (upon waking)​

Telmisartan 40 mg – Empty stomach
ARB that lowers blood pressure and improves insulin sensitivity to counter androgen-induced hypertension
source

Morning (with/after breakfast)​

Ezetimibe 10 mg – With food
Blocks intestinal cholesterol absorption to reduce LDL by 15–25%, protecting cardiovascular health
source
Fish oil 2 g EPA+DHA – With fatty meal
Lowers triglycerides and provides anti-inflammatory omega-3s to support heart health on cycle
source
TUDCA 250 mg – First dose with breakfast
Reduces ER stress and liver enzyme elevation from hormones/meds, supporting liver regeneration
source
CoQ10 100 mg – With fatty meal
Mitochondrial antioxidant that supports energy production and counters statin-like lipid effects
source

Evening (with/after dinner)​

TUDCA 250 mg – Second dose with dinner
Maintains steady hepatoprotection throughout day, split dosing prevents GI upset
source
Isotretinoin 10 mg – With fatty meal
Low-dose acne control
source

Night (30–60 min before bed)​

Melatonin 100 mg – Right before bed
Regulates sleep-wake cycle and provides antioxidant support (megadose, monitor side effects)
100mg is a lot but I saw multiple studies that found great benefits. If it's not for me I'll throw it out.
source

Right now I'm running Upper Lower (Upper Monday, Lower Wednesday, Upper Friday) and on my off days (Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday) I do an hour of cardio. I have a clean diet consisting of mainly milk, eggs, cheese, meat (chicken/steak, fish as well) and sometimes rice + avocado (probably 3x a week).
My diet + cardio should keep my health in check and the ancillaries + supplements would help as well.
I'm getting my test + HCG from WWB, ancillaries from indiamart, and supplements from amazon. The HGH market recently has been concerning but I'll probably get WWB's 36 iu kits. If anyone wants to suggest a different source your welcome to, the purity of WWB's test I saw was insanely low (75%).
If I'm doing anything wrong, please let me know. I'm definitely open to learning and taking advice.

At least you did some homework...

(1) Labs, pull these
GoodLabs (Quest)
Search this website for a 20% off coupon code.
Should end up ~$170.



(2) Dont use testP for first cycle, use test C
(3) Recommend you use easytouch 29/30g needles
(4) Don't use AI till you get mid cycle labwork, have Ralox on hand, use if needed.
(4) Personally i'd avoid daily pins for fist cycle, 2x a week is gtg, but you do you.