low dose tren ace experiment

[adrenalytic]

ou’re already pretty lean? So it’s mostly a cut to get a serious look?

Ya, my avatar was taken last week. I still have some chest and back fat I want to diet off so this is a polishing cut.

The meat of the stack is just a high cruise test dose with a mild tren cycle- how long do you plan to run it and how far thru are ya?

so I've been running the tren for like 8 weeks already but not at 80 mg. I started at 20 mg and titrated up 20 mg every 3 weeks to arrive at 80 saturated (100 incoming)...I'll continue to run this for 8 weeks. Diet technically just started this week so this is week 0 but I've been noticing more leanness for about 2 weeks now.

Edit: I'll be bumping the clen to 20 tomorrow. Only reason it was 10 is because I had a little HR scare but I determined it was the yohimbine I was using. Ditched that and heart is gtg.

 

[Mfras]

Ya, my avatar was taken last week. I still have some chest and back fat I want to diet off so this is a polishing cut.



so I've been running the tren for like 8 weeks already but not at 80 mg. I started at 20 mg and titrated up 20 mg every 3 weeks to arrive at 80 saturated (100 incoming)...I'll continue to run this for 8 weeks. Diet technically just started this week so this is week 0 but I've been noticing more leanness for about 2 weeks now.

Edit: I'll be bumping the clen to 20 tomorrow. Only reason it was 10 is because I had a little HR scare but I determined it was the yohimbine I was using. Ditched that and heart is gtg.

Nice. You look great man I’m sure it will only get better.

 

[newguy2]

Thanks for this OP. I'm currently doing something similar. In a cut trying to get to 10% or under. Probably about 14% right now. For two weeks been running 250 test/250 Mast / 100 Tren.

I'm not feeling much other than wanting to take all the girls doing glute movements at the gym home.

I'm two weeks in and probably going to bump the tren to 150/week. Also running 4iu of growth.

My cut has kind of stalled. Having some digestive issues as I often do when food variety is minimized on a cut.

I think I might ditch the growth wondering if I'm holding water.

Anyways thanks for sharing, I'm enjoying the experimentation myself.

 

[Mfras]

Thanks for this OP. I'm currently doing something similar. In a cut trying to get to 10% or under. Probably about 14% right now. For two weeks been running 250 test/250 Mast / 100 Tren.

I'm not feeling much other than wanting to take all the girls doing glute movements at the gym home.

I'm two weeks in and probably going to bump the tren to 150/week. Also running 4iu of growth.

My cut has kind of stalled. Having some digestive issues as I often do when food variety is minimized on a cut.

I think I might ditch the growth wondering if I'm holding water.

Anyways thanks for sharing, I'm enjoying the experimentation myself.

I’m on 6.6iu/day GH and my wedding ring is loose, shoes fit normal. On 70 mg tren/week I started looking leaner/fuller but carried 7lbs of extra tren water. Close to 400mg/week was similar water weight. Maybe its the GH maybe its the tren, probably both.

 

[Mfras]

Howdy y’all! Just a quick update 2 weeks out after discontinuing the tren.

Definitely lost some but bubbly muscle hardness/fullness, but the look is cleaner now. Extra water is fully cleared- was about 254lbs before the cycle and jumped to 260-261 through the cycle despite continuing my same defecit and increasing training volume. This week weight is clustering just under 250 in the 249 area. Anchor lifts are still holding- not losing strength but didn’t noticeably gain any on the tren cycle.

Waiting about 4 more weeks to get a full blood panel- dropped the 80mg deca/week two weeks ago and dropped the 150mg mast too- Monday was the last mastP pin.

Still on 300-350 Test/week with 75 aromasin but about to drop back under 200 and pin the test Cyp Tuesday/Friday instead of 3x/week. Should be in the low 15% fat range now so anticipating low or no AI on true TRT- when I was fat and doing clinic 1x/week 190mg pins I was on .5 anastrozole which was a stable low 30s e2, and while cutting the stack plus 25x3 (MWF, 75/week total) aromasin was 20 e2. Gonna give TRT with no AI a month to settle and see what the bloods say. I’m comfy from 20-60 e2, with nips getting spicy in the low 90s, so I’d rather let it climb and react if I feel high symptoms than overdo AI and crush it. Flying blind for a bit though.

On the fat loss the last stubborn spots- titties and lovehandles- are really starting to meaningfully deflate and already decently lean extremities are getting definition and vascularity. Feeling pretty great and enjoying the end of the cut, looking forward to bringing food back in and raising TDEE when I get close to 12%.

Finishing the cut will be based on dexa numbers for bodyfat but calling it done for now will be more of a decision based on wanting to be as lean as possible balanced with extra skin starting to look worse not better after a tipping point of leanness. I’d like to see top 4 abs in the mirror when I wake up and brush my teeth.

 

[Mfras]

Here’s my weight graph showing the tren run toward the right. Currently at 14.5% if my last dexa scan was close which had my fat free mass up to 213lbs. The last two had me at 210 then 211 and that agrees with an average trend of gaining .18lbs muscle per week on TRT with a 5 day split working as hard as recovery allows.

You can see the water coming on, then off, with some extra chaos after as things normalized. Since I was in an average ≈400cal defecit the tren couldn’t shine as a protector of lean mass in a brutal pre-show deficit and it couldn’t shine as an androgenic environment with increased training aggression to add lean mass in a calorie surplus either.

So the net effect was that I enjoyed a temporary harder bigger look, endured the pinning and mild sides, but mostly learned my tolerance to the compound, which was a win because that was really the point anyway.

But you can clearly see the fat loss trajectory was mostly unaffected, with the possibility of a pound or two of nice extra recomp over 6 weeks. It pretty much dropped me back off where I would have been anyway.

 

[Andrewthatguy]

Well, one thing to keep in mind is that there are no free lunches. I’m very happy with the results I’m getting without side effects but bloodwork might tell a different tale. I’ll be sharing my results along with my full support stack of Supps and lipid support meds.

Low dose Tren is still Tren.

Can I get your support meds you take while on Tren? I’d appreciate it a bunch.

 

[RockyP]

Can I get your support meds you take while on Tren? I’d appreciate it a bunch.

Thread 'Pita / Zetia / Vascepa vs test / tren / mast / var (bloodwork)'

Dec 19, 2025

Will get straight to it. As promised the battle royale between the lipid destroying DHT’s and Tren and pita / Zetia.

Sustanon 150 eod
Mast P 140 eod
Tren ace 60 eod
Anavar 40-50 daily (for last 10 days prior to labs)

Cardiac regimen
Pita 4 mg
Zetia 10 mg
Vascepa 4 g
Nattokinase 4000 FU
Reta 5 mg (not cardiac but plays a role in metabolism)

LDL 33
Hgb 16
HCT 48
triglycerides 57
HDL 11 (thanks anavar)
Lp(a) < 9
ApoB 53
Sensitive E2 was 43 with no AI

All other parameters normal including CRP, GGT, AST, ALT, and cystatin C.

Other support Supps are the usual berberine, astragalus, ALA, K2...

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I now take 8000-10000 FU of Natto. This whole list might be overkill but I'm an old guy with naturally low HDL so I have to be aggressive. For tren I think the most important is kidney support (Astragalus), some form of lipid support (either statin / zetia or something natural if that works for you like citrus bergamot), and liver support, either NAC / TUDA or Glutathione injection. I take the Vascepa more for anti-inflammatory benefits than for high triglycerides. Tren can be very inflammatory so best to be generous with any anti-oxidants / supps with anti-inflammatory benefits (though also keeping in mind that muscle anabolism is an inflammatory process so there's a balancing act there)

 

[Mfras]

Labs scheduled for the end of the month. Cut should be almost done-ish by then and will have a bunch of weeks on 160mg week split tues/fri test cyp TRT and some months at 6.6iu GH. It won’t show the acute chaos of the tren cycle but if there was lasting damage I have labs from before it to compare. There weren’t any problems on cycle to diagnose so for the $ this is my best guess at the most productive time to grab bloods.

I’ll get to see how a tren blast and some cruise after works for me, assess my lowest ever TRT dose to see if not using any AI while going from 15% to 14% now and should be 13% fat when the blood is drawn. Plus I get to see my z-score on a stable dose of GH, at least in a deficit. I did give a pint of whole blood a week or so ago, hoping hct is decent.

Hoping that the igf-1 z-score and e2 are decent, and if anything else is wacky I’ll tend to it and check bloods again before my next blast.

 

[bananafeet]

Serious question. How do you guys stick to "low doses".

Maybe I'm a fiend but I can't do it. I just keep pinning more lol

Hard to keep the dose under 50mg/day when I'm on.

 

[Trenunaki]

Serious question. How do you guys stick to "low doses".

Maybe I'm a fiend but I can't do it. I just keep pinning more lol

Hard to keep the dose under 50mg/day when I'm on.

Low dose guys are neurotic and anxious, you are the opposite, wanting to push the limits.

 

[adrenalytic]

Low dose guys are neurotic and anxious, you are the opposite, wanting to push the limits.

dumb thing to say. Pretty typical of the current class of newtards, though.

 

[Mfras]

Serious question. How do you guys stick to "low doses".

Maybe I'm a fiend but I can't do it. I just keep pinning more lol

Hard to keep the dose under 50mg/day when I'm on.

I’m pretty sure we were following each other’s experiments when I was playing with Tren at the end of last year.

I was expecting problems- bad ones or mental ones, or subtle but real sleep problems compounding into sides, but didn’t find any until I got over 400mg/week tren A. And mostly annoying heartburn not even bad.

As far as other compounds I just try a dose I think makes sense, and see how it goes. I try to keep other variables the same other than increasing training volume to get some juice out of the squeeze. That way I can be not neurotic but pseudo scientific by changing the fewest variables possible.

I’ve nudged things around for different reasons but never thought to increase dose significantly once I start unless there’s a problem.

Like I want to try tren again but in an NPP dominant stack, as a support compound at or below 200mg/week. I want some tren bennies but don’t want a tren dominant stack- chasing more would fuck up the plan.

As far as titrating up the dominant compound in a stack I like to use them like a lightswitch and let the ester give the ramp up and down. I have a good idea of what doses I tolerate and also have my own ideas about what doses start to give more sides than benefits when increased past a certain point. So the cycle plan done when clear headed and off cycle was my best guess at what will work the best and fuck me up the least. Changing it without a problem or seeing it plateau then trying to get more instead of calling it almost done doesn’t make sense to me. I know that getting fresh then hitting a blast later will do more for me in a given space of months.

 

[Mfras]

dumb thing to say. Pretty typical of the current class of newtards, though.

agreed. People that stick to a low dose in my mind are smart because they are waiting to see if small effects accumulate without significant damage, or dumb because they’re wasting their time accumulating insignificant damage but also insignificant rewards for the exposure. But we’re all different so we all gotta run little experiments on ourselves to see what happens, hopefully get some info and maybe something good out of it, and keep that knowledge in our pocket.

 

[bananafeet]

Hey every one's perspective is relevant I don't want to start fights.

Just personally I'd keep blasting if I didn't get sides over 300mg per week. It's addictive to me

 

[adrenalytic]

agreed. People that stick to a low dose in my mind are smart because they are waiting to see if small effects accumulate without significant damage, or dumb because they’re wasting their time accumulating insignificant damage but also insignificant rewards for the exposure. But we’re all different so we all gotta run little experiments on ourselves to see what happens, hopefully get some info and maybe something good out of it, and keep that knowledge in our pocket.

I enjoy turning the dial just a bit and then getting new bloodwork to see what changed. It's the meta game of gear. Plus, overloading yourself on high doses really just desensitizes you in the long run. Means you have to either take a longer cruise/health phase or use higher and higher doses to get the same effect next time around.

 

[bananafeet]

Tren doesn't make sense at higher doses. I've written about this before but in cattle it increases feed efficiency by reducing muscle protien breakdown.

This is common to all progestins. I suspect nandralone works exactly the same in cachexia treatment as the dose is a bit low for anabolic effects.

At lower doses you're not adding much anabolism but blocking catabolism.

The same thing can be achieved by blasting HGH and insulin which inhibit catabolic processes.

 

[adrenalytic]

Hey every one's perspective

his wasn't a perspective, it was a judgement. And the question wasn't directed to him. It was directed at low dosers.

Just personally I'd keep blasting if I didn't get sides over 300mg per week. It's addictive to me

Oh for sure. I can't wait to start my next blast but I'm not an impulsive teen who can't delay gratification (not saying you are, just that that's typically what a lot of these new people are).

I know I have to have all my ducks in a row before I can dedicate myself to what is required because once it begins it will consume all that I am.

At lower doses you're not adding much anabolism but blocking catabolism.

Don't forget the nutrient partitioning is exceptional. No other anabolic compares. That and the mitochondrial uncoupling make it ideal for cutting, even at low doses.

 

[bananafeet]

his wasn't a perspective, it was a judgement. And the question wasn't directed to him. It was directed at low dosers.



Oh for sure. I can't wait to start my next blast but I'm not an impulsive teen who can't delay gratification (not saying you are, just that that's typically what a lot of these new people are).

I know I have to have all my ducks in a row before I can dedicate myself to what is required because once it begins it will consume all that I am.



Don't forget the nutrient partitioning is exceptional. No other anabolic compares. That and the mitochondrial uncoupling make it ideal for cutting, even at low doses.

I'm not too sure if no other anabolic compares. Tren is biphasic. A rather poor anabolic for getting really big. Maybe good to achieve your genetic potential rapidly.

Like the cattle on tren don't actually get bigger than normal cattle. They just get to the same size with less feed.

I'm not sold on the positivity of blocking muscle catabolism. I think probably taking a high dose of Metformin would be safer and better to stop hepatic gluconeogenesis than low dose tren.

Or even a baseline 100mg dose of nandralone to block muscle protien breakdown.

Looking into other progestins and preserving body mass they all behave similarly to tren. However they don't seem to retain as much muscle. However you could get that signalling from testosterone.

I mean it's up to everyone to manage their health including mental health. Everyone has their struggles

 

[Mfras]

I enjoy turning the dial just a bit and then getting new bloodwork to see what changed. It's the meta game of gear. Plus, overloading yourself on high doses really just desensitizes you in the long run. Means you have to either take a longer cruise/health phase or use higher and higher doses to get the same effect next time around.

Yup. I’m not a competitor so I’m blessed with the ability to fuck around and do experiments and see what happens on my own time.

I'm not too sure if no other anabolic compares. Tren is biphasic. A rather poor anabolic for getting really big. Maybe good to achieve your genetic potential rapidly.

Like the cattle on tren don't actually get bigger than normal cattle. They just get to the same size with less feed.

I'm not sold on the positivity of blocking muscle catabolism. I think probably taking a high dose of Metformin would be safer and better to stop hepatic gluconeogenesis than low dose tren.

Or even a baseline 100mg dose of nandralone to block muscle protien breakdown.

Looking into other progestins and preserving body mass they all behave similarly to tren. However they don't seem to retain as much muscle. However you could get that signalling from testosterone.

I mean it's up to everyone to manage their health including mental health. Everyone has their struggles

I always enjoy your posts banana. For myself while powerlifting style fatboy cycles work fine but with more management and less visible results, I’m looking forward to blasting at 11% and found that TRT or a low cruise stack in limited exposures is all I need for cutting. Slow & steady with some recomp or at least no muscle lost is the goal, and I’d rather burn some extra weeks getting there than arrive all fucked up.

To address your specific points I found that going from 200mg TRT to 300mg T cruise gave a small but noticable boost to recomp. Adding 80 deca gave noticable but not dramatic joint relief but fuckall for both sides and strength, and I respond well to medium doses of nandrolone.