HIGH crp caused by eo

[Billbo98]

Prop causes pip for most. Any amount of pip or discomfort is an increase in CRP. At 20, id say it's bad PIP.

A CRP of 20 from PIP??? I’ve never had a CRP above 4 ever (that I’ve tested). That sounds crazy high to me man.

 

[cousinmuscles]

A CRP of 20 from PIP??? I’ve never had a CRP above 4 ever (that I’ve tested). That sounds crazy high to me man.

Thought I'd chime in here for what it's worth, it might come to use or not, but here it goes.

I used MCT many years back for a few brews but it gave me some annoying pip/site reaction. Switched to pure ethyl oleate, fit me perfectly. Included hsCRP in many tests but never had it go high. I did get some PIP from test E but not enough to care to change anything.

One year ago started using primobolan, decided to brew at 200mg/ml and if it hurt too much, just dilute to 100. As usual used EO as only carrier oil. Fucker hurt like my 500mg/ml test E experiment, fever, solid rock in the muscle lol. Diluted to 100mg/ml, then 50mg/ml and it was tolerable but always had PIP, much more than the test E. Used EO and corresponding BA/BB. However at the end of the cycle my CRP was at 5mg/ml, which is still some labs top end reference range, but unusually high for me. Next cycle I decided to use some of the remaining undiluted 200mg/ml for a few shots and do bloods and see what happens. hsCRP to >20mg/L and the pain was as bad as that number.



I then diluted it with GSO to 50mg/ml and I am unable to feel any lump anywhere, even with 2ml, can't find the injection spot the day after. hsCRP down to 0.52mg/ml at the end of the cycle where I was pinning 3ml daily. So even at the same concentrations, somehow the thicker oil works much better.

My reasoning is that the EO used by itself is too thin and there is no depot formed from the injection and it is all blasted on the muscle fibers. Another issue I have had with EO is, if injected in e.g. glute in the morning prior to training legs. the oil leaks out of the muscle and spreads to a large surface area and causes pain. This is why I decided to switch to GSO for the viscosity, it stays in the muscle lol. I will try a small batch with miglyol some day and see if it disproves my thoughts on viscosity/forming a depot.

 

[Billbo98]

Thought I'd chime in here for what it's worth, it might come to use or not, but here it goes.

I used MCT many years back for a few brews but it gave me some annoying pip/site reaction. Switched to pure ethyl oleate, fit me perfectly. Included hsCRP in many tests but never had it go high. I did get some PIP from test E but not enough to care to change anything.

One year ago started using primobolan, decided to brew at 200mg/ml and if it hurt too much, just dilute to 100. As usual used EO as only carrier oil. Fucker hurt like my 500mg/ml test E experiment, fever, solid rock in the muscle lol. Diluted to 100mg/ml, then 50mg/ml and it was tolerable but always had PIP, much more than the test E. Used EO and corresponding BA/BB. However at the end of the cycle my CRP was at 5mg/ml, which is still some labs top end reference range, but unusually high for me. Next cycle I decided to use some of the remaining undiluted 200mg/ml for a few shots and do bloods and see what happens. hsCRP to >20mg/L and the pain was as bad as that number.

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I then diluted it with GSO to 50mg/ml and I am unable to feel any lump anywhere, even with 2ml, can't find the injection spot the day after. hsCRP down to 0.52mg/ml at the end of the cycle where I was pinning 3ml daily. So even at the same concentrations, somehow the thicker oil works much better.

My reasoning is that the EO used by itself is too thin and there is no depot formed from the injection and it is all blasted on the muscle fibers. Another issue I have had with EO is, if injected in e.g. glute in the morning prior to training legs. the oil leaks out of the muscle and spreads to a large surface area and causes pain. This is why I decided to switch to GSO for the viscosity, it stays in the muscle lol. I will try a small batch with miglyol some day and see if it disproves my thoughts on viscosity/forming a depot.

Dude badass write up! Thank you!!

 

[mrkram]

Thought I'd chime in here for what it's worth, it might come to use or not, but here it goes.

I used MCT many years back for a few brews but it gave me some annoying pip/site reaction. Switched to pure ethyl oleate, fit me perfectly. Included hsCRP in many tests but never had it go high. I did get some PIP from test E but not enough to care to change anything.

One year ago started using primobolan, decided to brew at 200mg/ml and if it hurt too much, just dilute to 100. As usual used EO as only carrier oil. Fucker hurt like my 500mg/ml test E experiment, fever, solid rock in the muscle lol. Diluted to 100mg/ml, then 50mg/ml and it was tolerable but always had PIP, much more than the test E. Used EO and corresponding BA/BB. However at the end of the cycle my CRP was at 5mg/ml, which is still some labs top end reference range, but unusually high for me. Next cycle I decided to use some of the remaining undiluted 200mg/ml for a few shots and do bloods and see what happens. hsCRP to >20mg/L and the pain was as bad as that number.

View attachment 380866

I then diluted it with GSO to 50mg/ml and I am unable to feel any lump anywhere, even with 2ml, can't find the injection spot the day after. hsCRP down to 0.52mg/ml at the end of the cycle where I was pinning 3ml daily. So even at the same concentrations, somehow the thicker oil works much better.

My reasoning is that the EO used by itself is too thin and there is no depot formed from the injection and it is all blasted on the muscle fibers. Another issue I have had with EO is, if injected in e.g. glute in the morning prior to training legs. the oil leaks out of the muscle and spreads to a large surface area and causes pain. This is why I decided to switch to GSO for the viscosity, it stays in the muscle lol. I will try a small batch with miglyol some day and see if it disproves my thoughts on viscosity/forming a depot.

This is really useful information and hopefully will allow me to salvage the kits with higher mg/ml concentrations.

Ill learn about dilution as I'm working on getting the hsCRP down.

Thanks again really helpful info and gives me hope a ton of product won't have to be wasted.

 

[bananafeet]

This gonna sound absolutely retarded. But...

Could it be HGH? I found out in sick people it can increase acute phase proteins. Like CRP.

 

[mrkram]

I am doing 2iu of GH daily but that goes back to summer of 25 and I haven't felt like this until I started he Test Prop in December.

With that being said, I don't have bloodwork to confirm my hsCRP wasn't elevated before December so I'll keep that in mind if it doesn't come down from dropping the Test Prop.