Joejoebaggin's HRT Log

joejoebaggins

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I think I'm going to slowly hover over here, since most of the people I respect call the Meso boards home.

Here is the whole story

Regime:

  • 250iu HCG x2 weekly
  • 50mg Test Cyp Weekly (split into E3d E=50/205/7*3, E=0.105)
  • 200mg Selenium
  • ZMA
  • 6 Drops Lugol's Solution (Morning)
  • 50mg Oral Pregnenolone (Switching to topical)
  • 50mg Oral DHEA
  • 3 Grains Armour
  • 1.5g Evening Primrose Oil (500mg 3x a day with food)


Diet:

  • No Goitrogenic Foods (Brassica Family, Millet, etc.)
  • 30% Fat, 30% Prot, 40% Carb
  • Carbohydrates mostly being taken in after weight training/cardio
  • 35g Fiber (Green Beans)
  • Cardio 5x week
  • Lift 3x week


Stats:

  • 22 years old
  • 144lbs
  • ~12% BF


Ok so to start with the obvious my sex life is still non existent. I've only been on TRT for 2 1/2 weeks, but still nothing. I KNOW my test cyp dosage is extremely small, but my doctor wants to start me off low because I'm young. So i'm just going to have to bear with it for now.

My hair has gotten better!!! It has noticeably gotten thicker, the dandruff has gotten far less visible and only resides in a small area near my forhead. I still lose a good amount of hair a day, but the quality has improved (thickness, shine).

I'm not sure why my hair is gotten better but I changed these things in the same time frame so it's one of these...or a combination.

  • 6 Drops Lugol's Solution (Iodine)
  • 1.5g Evening Primrose Oil (500mg 3x a day with food)
  • Raised Armour to 3 Grains
  • A good amount of Whey Protein


Since starting the DHEA & Preg my memory/concentration increased dramatically. I can actually do math in my head without resorting to a calculator as well as complicated tasks without extreme anxiety. I look forward to moving onto Preg Cream and comparing oral vs. topical.

I'm sweating a ton! For the first time in my life. I think this is because of the Preg. Probably hormone related, but i never really sweated heavily through my whole childhood, but after oral preg I'll be drenched in sweat after my workout. Not sure if this is a good thing or bad thing haha.

So onto the ongoing seems-like-this-is-never-going-to-end problems.

CONSTIPATION:

I have not had a solid BM in 3 days and this is totally normal... Im totally bloated and feel like I'm retaining food from weeks ago. I drink at least 1.5 gallons of water a day. Have about 40-50g of good fat (EVOO, coconut oil) a day and it seems like nothing helps. I've been taking blister pack Jarrow probiotics, but they got left in my car on a hot day and i think uh they might have "died"...

Since my E2 was already a bit dodgy at 46, I think this could possibly be the culprit. I have never had consistent good BM's but they have never been THIS bad before. Constipation started when i got on Preg/DHEA/T/HCG. So I'm sure my E2 was elevated...

I have Indolplex DIM as well as Arimidex on hand.

LOSING WEIGHT:

I am not fat by any stretch of the imagination, but i have always had belly fat that has been impossible for me to get rid of. The last 4 weeks i have been doing cardio & lifting and my weight has not budged one lb. This could be my Thyroid, but I would imagine at 3 grains i don't have too much longer to go before i get optimized.

I eat 1700-2000 cals a day and don't eat any processed or junk food. I feel like something (hormones and/or thyroid) is hindering this.

BLOOD FLOW:

Seems the blood and or testosterone doesn't flow to my penis in the morning... But at night time it totally changes, my penis gets soft again and fills up nicely. I have high cortisol at night, possibly related?


JULY 07 Blood Work:

CHOLESTEROL 181 (140 - 200 mg/dL)
TRIGLYCERIDES 63 (35 - 150 mg/dL)
HDL 67 (40 - 100 mg/dL)
LDL 101 (30 - 130 mg/dL)
FREE T3 1.73 (2.00 - 4.20 pg/mL)
FREE T4 0.93 (.71 - 1.85 ug/dL)

TSH 1.08 (.35 - 4.00 uIU/mL)
ESTRADIOL 46 (20 - 75 pg/mL)
IGF-I 127 (126 - 382 ng/mL)
THYROID PEROXIDASE ANTIBODIES 19 (<35 IU/mL)
DHEA SULFATE 331 (110 - 510 mcg/dL)
TESTOSTERONE 484 (241 - 827 ng/dL)
SHBG 50 (7 - 44 nmol/L)
DHT <6 (25 - 75 ng/dL)

FERRITIN 101.2 (10- 144 ng/mL)
LH 2.22 (1.24 - 8.62 mIU/mL)
FSH 5.35 (1.27 - 19.26 mIU/mL)


Hematology:

WBC 4.0 (4.0 - 10.9 x10^3/uL)
RBC 4.36 (4.20 - 6.30 x10^6/uL)
HGB 14.6 (12.0 - 18.1 g/dL)
HCT 41.3 (37.0 - 53.7)
MCV 95.1 (80.0 - 97.0 fL)
MCH 31.5 (26.0 - 32.0 pg)
MCHC 35.4 (31.0 - 36.0 g/dL)
RDW 12.7 (11.0 - 14.6)
PLT 201 (140 - 440 x10^3/uL)

Comprehensive Metabolic Profile:

Glucose 111 (73 - 113 mg/dL)
BUN 22 (10 - 28 mg/dL)
Creatine 0.8 (0.5 - 1.4 mg/dL)
BUN/Creatine Ratio 27.5
Sodium 148 (135 - 148 mmol/L)
Potassium 4.5 (3.5 - 5.3 mmol/L)
Chloride 107 (98 - 107 mmolL)
Carbon Dioxide 28 (22 - 33 mmol/L)
Calcium 9.9 (8.5 - 10.5 mg/dL)
Total Protein 7.9 (7.0 - 8.0 g/dL)
Albumin 4.7 (3.5 - 5.0 g/dL)
A/G Ratio 1.5
Globulin 3.2 g/dL
ALK. PHOS. 46 (31 - 147 U/L)
ALT (SGPT) 47 (10 - 49 U/L)
AST (SGOT) 26 (9 - 48 U/L)
Total Bilirubin 0.7 (0.3 - 1.5 mg/dL)


My blood work is definitely super wacky, but i had JUST come off a 8 month vegan/RAW diet. I had not had a complete amino acid protein in a long ass time.

I'm going to get my next full panel BW done in December.

08/07 AM/PM Cortisol Test:

12.5 (8am) Optimal Range 7 AM: 7.0 - 10 Observed Range 7 AM;8.0 - 15
5.4 (12pm) Optimal Range 12 PM: 3.0 - 8 Observed Range 12 PM; 3.0 - 7.0
3.9 (6pm) Optimal Range 5 PM: 2.0 - 4.0 Observed Range 12 PM; 2.0 - 4.0
4.4 (11pm) Optimal Range 10 PM: <1.5 Observed Range 10 PM; <1.5

Finasteride Use:


Since all my hair started thinning at 18 i of course thought it was DHT related... If i could only turn back time. I was on Propecia for about a year from age 19 to 20. My family doctor laughed at me when i told him i thought my thyroid was messed up...

PMgamer, Jansz, Plymouth, Hardasnails and others have already been A TON of help, but since these are new boards I would appreciate any comments/suggestions!
 
LOL your Dr wants you to start of small?

This is BAD thinking.

My god these Dr's are idiots. [:o)]

All this will do is make you worse than you were before.

You need at least 100mg per week. This is the lowest dose used to get a decent reading. Anything less will shut you down, as all HRT does, but not give you enough to give you the average output of a healthy 18 - 25 year old adult.

A healthy average adult will produce whats eqivalent in injections to 10mg per day.

Injections have a 70 percent absorbtion ratio. So 100mg = 70mg absorbed, hence 10mg a day.

I advise you to go against your Dr's orders and inject 100mg per week, with the 250Iu 2 days before shot and another 250IU day before shot.

And thats not the first problem! :eek:

DHEA and Pregnenolone are horribly absorbed orally. Pregnenolone is practically pointless. DHEA has some oral absorbtion, but most of it converts to E2 when takin orally, and has a very short life within the body, about 8 hours.

So i advise you to go against that as well and pick up some Dermacrine, which has both DHEA and pregnenolone transdermal in it. You don't need a full dose, all we are looking for here is maintenance. 10 sprays a day should do the trick.

You have adex, that is good. You need to get an E2 test immediately and find out where you are at. If E2 is above 25, start with adex therapy. I need to see a number to recommend a dose.
 
I remember posting to you some time ago I know I would have told you not to start on TRT until you got your Estradiol down at 46 this is high enough for your brain to think it's testosterone and as your LH and FSH show your brain thinks this Estradiol is testosterone and is not sending the messages of LH and FSH to keep your testostereone levels up. I would have told you to get this down and retest because Estradiol this high can mess with your cortisol and Thyroid levels to.
plymouth city is right your doing 50 mgs a week total every 3days so each shot your doing is 21mgs at best all this is doing is along with your high Estradiol shuting you down more. At your age you need your Total and Free T levels up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range. So you need to be over 630.

Do you have a lot of SOY in your diet this will do this also SOY has a marker that acts like E's and when it fills your cells your brain thinks it's testosterone.
 
low alkaline phosophotase, low trigycerides, estrodial = low zinc intake due to phytates from vegan diet
high shbg = vegan diet usually low in fat higher in fiber and it just basically REALLY FUCKED YOU UP
All that fiber binds with minerals namely zinc and copper magnesium,
with your e2 of 46 and shbg 50 that beleive it or not is fine. Now when you swtich back to a normal diet that suckers going to drop and if your e2 is still 46 then well you be e2 dominant. that may be what you are feeling. 2 weeks of high fat diet and lower fiber intake shbg dropped almost 30-40% just keep this in mind that when shbg its going to increase ffree T and make e2 more bioavialable so this shift may be what youare feeling..
 
I'm so grateful for you guys. Man this is such a giant headache.

I really appreciate everyone's input and I'm going to act on everything

So my new dose of T is 100/205/7*3=0.21

0.21*100= 21 units E3D

So HCG the two days inbetween T shots, so shots everyday? Or should i just do the 100mg T weekly? Little confused.

I'm going to immediently stop the oral preg as well as the DHEA.

I really feel like my E2 is through the roof i havent taken a solid BM in 3 weeks...

Do you guys know of how to get your blood tested for cheap and without going to see a doc? My wallet is hurting really bad right now all from HRT.

Also i remember reading that i could get a vial of Test Cyp for $99 that would last me forever, i think Jansz mentioned it.

THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS
 
No If I were you I would try to do what would = 100mgs a week but do the shots every 3 days so you take 100 div. by 7 = 14.385 x 3 = 43 mgs every 3 days not 21 mgs. So if your vile says 200mgs/ml then you pull out .22 mls to = 43 mgs.
I'm so grateful for you guys. Man this is such a giant headache.

I really appreciate everyone's input and I'm going to act on everything

So my new dose of T is 100/205/7*3=0.21

0.21*100= 21 units E3D

So HCG the two days inbetween T shots, so shots everyday? Or should i just do the 100mg T weekly? Little confused.

I'm going to immediently stop the oral preg as well as the DHEA.

I really feel like my E2 is through the roof i havent taken a solid BM in 3 weeks...

Do you guys know of how to get your blood tested for cheap and without going to see a doc? My wallet is hurting really bad right now all from HRT.

Also i remember reading that i could get a vial of Test Cyp for $99 that would last me forever, i think Jansz mentioned it.

THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS
 
Just to make sure,

Monday: .22 mls test
tuesday: 250iu hcg
wednesday: 250iu hcg
thursday: .22 mls test
friday: 250iu hcg
saturday: 250iu hcg
Sunday: .22 mls test
 
no, thats to much headache.

Just inject the 100mg once per week.

Inject hcG 250Iu 2 days prior, then 1 day prior.

I have changed my stance on more frequent injects. :D
 
Because I'm nerodic,

Monday: .no shots
Tuesday: no shots
Wednesday: no shots
Thursday: no shots
Friday: 250iu HCG
Saturday: 250iu HCG
Sunday: .100mg Test Cyp
 
Thank you sir,

Just curious, but what made you change your mind on the E3D protocol? Convenience?

Looking over other peoples BW who are on similar protocol.

When injecting once per week it is common for T levels to peak at about day 3, and start to slide at day 5.

However, the addition of hcG seems to blunt this day 5 slide.

Those on that protocol had pretty constant T levels throughout the week.
 
Besides getting my blood done at my Doc's office which is really expensive, are there any better options out there?

Becoming a lef.org member? When you order those kits where do you go to get your blood drawn? Then you send it back to them?

Sorry for the n00ber questions :p
 
Besides getting my blood done at my Doc's office which is really expensive, are there any better options out there?

Becoming a lef.org member? When you order those kits where do you go to get your blood drawn? Then you send it back to them?

Sorry for the n00ber questions :p

Ask your Doc if you can go threw Rheins, its a urine testing site.

They aree much more accurate than bloods, and a whole lot cheaper

If you cant get that, become a LEF member(you should be anyways)

The discounts are incredible

They have once a year sales, including steep discounts on BW and products.
 
Rheins sounds awesome. I just did a search on it and it sais the basic test is $250.

I looked on Rhein's homepage, but it doesn't state the hormones being measured in the basic test. When i go in to get my E2 measured i think I'm goin to get my T3/T4 ranges measured as well to see where im at.

Are urine thyroid panels as accurate as blood?
 
I have not changed my mind on doing shots every 3 days doing shots everyweek and the HCG the last 2 days before the next shot. My E2 was very bad I was doing 1mg. a day of Arimidex to keep E2 in check. Doing the shots every 3 days and HCG the 2 days each in between has my E2 way down now I only need .5 mgs every 2 days to keep my E2 in check not counting how much better I feel. I don't go by labs on doseing my TRT I go by how I feel. Try it both ways and see what works for you. We are all not the same what works for one is not always good for the next guy. I got started doing this because Dr. Shippen does it to keep his E2 down.
 
I'll definitely give both ways a shot. It's good to know that E3D causes less of a rise in E2 which seems to be my problem right now.

Phil, you're currently doing 2x 250iu HCG TWICE a week in between T Shots correct? What is the benefit of upping the the HCG with this routine
 
rheins does most stuff except cholesterol and SHBG and a few others, but it handles the usual

Adex should habdle most of your E2 worries.

Try the protocol I mentioned above first, you can always switch over to E3D if you dont like it
 

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