Joejoebaggin's HRT Log

[joejoebaggins]

I'm going to hit the Arimidex at .25mg EOD until i can get my E2 test next week. Any harm in throwing in 1/4 a tab of Indolplex/DIM into the mix? Or is this a recipe to go too low too fast?

My reasoning for my sky high E2 is the obvious constipation and terrible ED. Looking back on it i don't think .25mg E3D was enough. I still had pretty bad ED.

 

[hardasnails1973]

I'm going to hit the Arimidex at .25mg EOD until i can get my E2 test next week. Any harm in throwing in 1/4 a tab of Indolplex/DIM into the mix? Or is this a recipe to go too low too fast?

My reasoning for my sky high E2 is the obvious constipation and terrible ED. Looking back on it i don't think .25mg E3D was enough. I still had pretty bad ED.

Stick with armidex for now do not change dosages untill after blood tests and then have 2/16 hydroxy urine test done to verify if you need dim..

 

[joejoebaggins]

I know I'm all over the place here... but does anyone else think it might be a wise idea for me to stop the TRT, get my urine tests done on my thyroid and E2 and see where I'm at?

I've done about and months worth of T and HCG and haven't felt anything libido wise and my Novarel is now expired i take it.

 

[pmgamer18]

Wow WTF is it a full Moon tonight I have read this now 5 posts on different boards this talk about stoping TRT. Get this out of your head TRT can take 6 months to a yr. before you start to get better. First get your self leveled off adn your E2 down then let your body undo the damage done by low T it is a slow process that takes a lot of time. If you want to feel dam bad and set your self back Big time then stop your TRT but don't post how bad your feel and you will feel dam bad.

I know I'm all over the place here... but does anyone else think it might be a wise idea for me to stop the TRT, get my urine tests done on my thyroid and E2 and see where I'm at?

I've done about and months worth of T and HCG and haven't felt anything libido wise and my Novarel is now expired i take it.

 

[joejoebaggins]

Wow WTF is it a full Moon tonight I have read this now 5 posts on different boards this talk about stoping TRT. Get this out of your head TRT can take 6 months to a yr. before you start to get better. First get your self leveled off adn your E2 down then let your body undo the damage done by low T it is a slow process that takes a lot of time. If you want to feel dam bad and set your self back Big time then stop your TRT but don't post how bad your feel and you will feel dam bad.

Will i be setting myself up for failure discontinuing HCG in January when i go back out on tour? I have setup every single scenario and even with a portable mini fridge I would not be able to keep it cold all the time.

I know I will "lose my balls" but will I feel ok just on Test Cyp, Armour, and an AI?

 

[pmgamer18]

Will i be setting myself up for failure discontinuing HCG in January when i go back out on tour? I have setup every single scenario and even with a portable mini fridge I would not be able to keep it cold all the time.

I know I will "lose my balls" but will I feel ok just on Test Cyp, Armour, and an AI?

You can stop HCG and this is not TRT go down slow on it so you don't crash lower the dose 20 IU's a week.

 

[plymouth city]

Will i be setting myself up for failure discontinuing HCG in January when i go back out on tour? I have setup every single scenario and even with a portable mini fridge I would not be able to keep it cold all the time.

I know I will "lose my balls" but will I feel ok just on Test Cyp, Armour, and an AI?

Many of the AAS guys only inject hcG once a week.

Im sure you could get by just fine doing hcG 500IU one shot per week.

Can you sneak away and do one shot a week.

LOL are you in a famous rock band Im a huge music buff, I sing(horribly, but try to) and play guitar(well, try to). [)]

Joey, I know of several who had T levels in the thousands that felt like a bag of assholes because they had high E2.

 

[joejoebaggins]

Many of the AAS guys only inject hcG once a week.

Im sure you could get by just fine doing hcG 500IU one shot per week.

Can you sneak away and do one shot a week.

LOL are you in a famous rock band Im a huge music buff, I sing(horribly, but try to) and play guitar(well, try to). [)]

Joey, I know of several who had T levels in the thousands that felt like a bag of assholes because they had high E2.

I'm in a band on a Major Label, but its nothing crazy...yet. I don't really want to say the name because you know... it's embarrassing to have a slew of hormonal problems at the ripe old age of 22. Where are you located Plymouth? When we're playing near you I'll drop you a line and put you on the guest list

 

[plymouth city]

I'm in a band on a Major Label, but its nothing crazy...yet. I don't really want to say the name because you know... it's embarrassing to have a slew of hormonal problems at the ripe old age of 22. Where are you located Plymouth? When we're playing near you I'll drop you a line and put you on the guest list

Awesome. Im in Detroit Rock City

 

[joejoebaggins]

Plymouth,

I'm getting pretty interested in Demacrine. I might give it a go after i get my urine test done from Rhein.

I would prefer the Original Demacrine correct? Since my DHT is so low i wouldn't want the inhibition from the Preg?

Thanks!

 

[JanSz]

I'm in a band on a Major Label, but its nothing crazy...yet. I don't really want to say the name because you know... it's embarrassing to have a slew of hormonal problems at the ripe old age of 22. Where are you located Plymouth? When we're playing near you I'll drop you a line and put you on the guest list

I am at ZIP 07054

NJ Parsippany

1.5 miles NE of cross of interstates 80/287

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[joejoebaggins]

I am at ZIP 07054

NJ Parsippany

1.5 miles NE of cross of interstates 80/287

from: Parsippany NJ to: Smith Rd @40.855880, -74.408490 - Google Maps

Haha. Jansz, you are DEFINITELY on the guest list as well. PM and Hardasnails have spots reserved too

 

[joejoebaggins]

Jansz,

Did you ever try Demacrine out?

Does Demacrine increase DHT?

 

[plymouth city]

Plymouth,

I'm getting pretty interested in Demacrine. I might give it a go after i get my urine test done from Rhein.

I would prefer the Original Demacrine correct? Since my DHT is so low i wouldn't want the inhibition from the Preg?

Thanks!

Yep, the original Derm.

Don't sweat the DHT issue - your looking at an extremely slight decrease, and thats a good thing. Pregnenolone is the Robert Plant of the mix, one badass hormone. It eventually breaks down into all other androgens.

To be honest, I wouldn't doubt that at your age, you would have probably got by just fine on your thyroid medication + Dermacrine alone, and no HRT. Treating your thyroid/adrenals would have likely bumped your T up, and then thrown Derm in the mix and you would have been probably good to go. Little things go a long way. By just adjusting my sleep schedule, for probably the first time in my life(Im getting to bed in the PM, usually around 11pm - 12am, and arising at 8, I can already feel a HUGE difference.

Either way, good luck.

 

[joejoebaggins]

Yep, the original Derm.

Don't sweat the DHT issue - your looking at an extremely slight decrease, and thats a good thing. Pregnenolone is the Robert Plant of the mix, one badass hormone. It eventually breaks down into all other androgens.

To be honest, I wouldn't doubt that at your age, you would have probably got by just fine on your thyroid medication + Dermacrine alone, and no HRT. Treating your thyroid/adrenals would have likely bumped your T up, and then thrown Derm in the mix and you would have been probably good to go. Little things go a long way. By just adjusting my sleep schedule, for probably the first time in my life(Im getting to bed in the PM, usually around 11pm - 12am, and arising at 8, I can already feel a HUGE difference.

Either way, good luck.

"Robert Plant of the mix"

[)]

I'm when i go into get my labs done i just want to have a really good game plan. Last time my doc talked me out of transdermals in favor of injections when my DHT was:

DHT <6 (25 - 75 ng/dL)

Jansz definitely set me straight when I got home, but it's hard back talking to my doc every single time i see him. Sometimes he stumps me with stuff that i either don't remember or have no idea about.

If Dermacrine will help out my miserable DHT without dipping into the world of compounded T Cream i will definitely give it ago since it's around the same price.

 

[plymouth city]

"Robert Plant of the mix"

[)]

I'm when i go into get my labs done i just want to have a really good game plan. Last time my doc talked me out of transdermals in favor of injections when my DHT was:

DHT <6 (25 - 75 ng/dL)

Jansz definitely set me straight when I got home, but it's hard back talking to my doc every single time i see him. Sometimes he stumps me with stuff that i either don't remember or have no idea about.

If Dermacrine will help out my miserable DHT without dipping into the world of compounded T Cream i will definitely give it ago since it's around the same price.

Wow, I didn't realize your DHT was that low.

A DHT level that low jumps right out at me as a sign that your body is definitely not producing androgenic hormones. DHT is 10 times more androgenic than testosterone. DHT is a masculinizer - All those whiny emo bands seem to be lacking in( My chem romance, hipsters and scenesters in tight pants and chuck taylors etc )Good move on the HRT then.

Injects are fine. Your DHT should still go up.

 

[plymouth city]

Couple more questions joey

How is your physical appearance - Are you generally smaller framed, skinny or skinny - fat( skinny arms/legs with a little gut)? How about body hair? Acne(or lack therof) as a teen? Do you tend to get sore joints and generalized back pain, and fatigue easily even when you were a teenager?

 

[joejoebaggins]

Couple more questions joey

How is your physical appearance - Are you generally smaller framed, skinny or skinny - fat( skinny arms/legs with a little gut)? How about body hair? Acne(or lack therof) as a teen? Do you tend to get sore joints and generalized back pain, and fatigue easily even when you were a teenager?

Thanks for your help on this Plymouth i truly do appreciate it,

Stats:

5'11
145 lbs
~13% BF

My physical appearance is skinny BUT i have always had love handles and a small pouch on my belly. This has been with me my whole life no matter what I did to get rid of it. When i was a vegan (I swear we're not an emo band haha) i was down to 127 lbs and i STILL had it...

I did the finger trick were you wrap your index finger and thumb around your wrist and try to touch. Mine don't touch so i think that means i have a large frame.

I have pretty large thighs and have always had them even through cross country when i ran a ridiculous amount. I have very minimal body hair, especially on my chest. I have a retarded chest hair pattern that doesn't make any sense, but i have a ton of hair on my legs.

I had pretty calm acne in high school. I used to get just big cyst zits every week. I think this was mainly from my eating habits though. I used to eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches on white bread like it was going out of style.

I'm fatigued pretty much 24/7, even throughout high school. Not a ton of joint pain, but now that I'm running and lifting again, I'm pretty sore even after months of the same routine.

I really have the feeling that I'm estrogen dominant and have been for a long time. This would explain my belly fat/love handles as well as my fatigue, low T, and a bunch of other things.

I mean i know it's not a ton of time, but I've been on T and HCG for the last month and a half and I haven't had a single random erection. Like nothing... I can't even remember the last time i had a random erection. I feel like a need a mega dose of something to get me going again, because nothing really helps.

Plus as you can see my doctor is a RETARD. I called in asking for s script for 1g Preg cream and he said it was too high!? I can sometimes convince him to let me try things, the only reason I'm putting up with it.

The weird thing is I'm on .25mg EOD right now and i feel even more tired than before BUT the constipation has gotten way better. Guess I'll just have to give it more time.


I apologize for my long rant

 

[joejoebaggins]

Quote from Dr. M

Morning wood requires at least good testosterone levels, good thyroid hormone activity, good adrenal hormone activity (good cortisol, aldosterone activity), a predominantly resting neurotransmitter balance (e.g. an emphasis on serotonin, dopamine, and GABA activity compared to norepinephrine and histamine) - meaning there is predominant parasympathetic nervous system tone - and a person is thus not in a stressed state. Sex is a resting activity as opposed to a fight-or-flight activity.

I get semi-strong morning wood, but it quickly goes away after i get out of bed. Does this reveal anything?

 

[plymouth city]

Thanks for your help on this Plymouth i truly do appreciate it,

Stats:

5'11
145 lbs
~13% BF

My physical appearance is skinny BUT i have always had love handles and a small pouch on my belly. This has been with me my whole life no matter what I did to get rid of it. When i was a vegan (I swear we're not an emo band haha) i was down to 127 lbs and i STILL had it...

I did the finger trick were you wrap your index finger and thumb around your wrist and try to touch. Mine don't touch so i think that means i have a large frame.

I have pretty large thighs and have always had them even through cross country when i ran a ridiculous amount. I have very minimal body hair, especially on my chest. I have a retarded chest hair pattern that doesn't make any sense, but i have a ton of hair on my legs.

I had pretty calm acne in high school. I used to get just big cyst zits every week. I think this was mainly from my eating habits though. I used to eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches on white bread like it was going out of style.

I'm fatigued pretty much 24/7, even throughout high school. Not a ton of joint pain, but now that I'm running and lifting again, I'm pretty sore even after months of the same routine.

I really have the feeling that I'm estrogen dominant and have been for a long time. This would explain my belly fat/love handles as well as my fatigue, low T, and a bunch of other things.

I mean i know it's not a ton of time, but I've been on T and HCG for the last month and a half and I haven't had a single random erection. Like nothing... I can't even remember the last time i had a random erection. I feel like a need a mega dose of something to get me going again, because nothing really helps.

Plus as you can see my doctor is a RETARD. I called in asking for s script for 1g Preg cream and he said it was too high!? I can sometimes convince him to let me try things, the only reason I'm putting up with it.

The weird thing is I'm on .25mg EOD right now and i feel even more tired than before BUT the constipation has gotten way better. Guess I'll just have to give it more time.


I apologize for my long rant

Yep, as I thought so. The skinny frame and pouch/belly handles, lack of body hair, lack of acne, smaller frame(145 at 5'11?) Joey you have probably always had low androgenic hormones from day one.

Don't put much stock in the hand/wrist thing - you might just have smaller hands. Or well developed forearms/wrists(common in guitar players)

Just stick with it and keep educating yourself. Get an E2 number ASAP.

Please for the love of god don't tell me you wear a studded belt and tight jeans [)]

Band influences?