TRT...Sex drive good for 3 weeks...then dips. Always the same ???

Madball99

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So I've been cycling my TRT as prescribed since last year. My protocol is 10 weeks on Test replacement...Then 2 weeks off...followed by 10 days of HCG therapy....Then the cycle starts all over again. 2 total cycles will basically last 6 months.



What I've found the last 3 cycles is that my sex drive will be pretty good for about 3 weeks in...and then not so much for the remainer of the 10 weeks. Actually gets a bit better during my 2 weeks off at the end of the 10 week test cycle...Then is gone until after the 10 day HCG therapy is over and then picks up again for the 1st week of my test therapy through the 3rd week again...then dips.



I feel that there is a solution here. I originally began w/ 200mg a week of test, but had no sex drive and my test numbers came back at only the 600 range according to labcorp. The weekly injections were slowly increased until I found decent results at double the doese (400mg a week)....Which work pretty good for the 1st 3 weeks....then my sex drive dips until the beginning of my next cycle.



Any opinions oin what is going on ? I feel that there is a sweet spot somewhere in there between my 1st and 3rd week. During this time I take no anti E.....I'm prescribed to take an anti E every 3 days after my third week. I've experimented w/ taking one a week , to 2 a week, to even 3 a week. None made me feel any diffeent.


I've actually considered not taking it at all unless I felt symptoms of high estrogen, but I've held back from that since I thought it might not be a good idea. I'm sure test replacemt will lead to too high estrogen....but I'm not sure..



Any ideas ar advice /info is HIGHLY appreciated. I feel really good the 1st 3 weeks, but then it tapers off. I would like to maintain that feeling of the 1st 3 weeks throughout every 10 week test replacement cycle, but I'm not sure if it's a question of lowering. raising the test dosage or lowering/raising the anti-E dosage...THANKYOU.
 
So I've been cycling my TRT as prescribed since last year. My protocol is 10 weeks on Test replacement...Then 2 weeks off...followed by 10 days of HCG therapy....Then the cycle starts all over again. 2 total cycles will basically last 6 months.



What I've found the last 3 cycles is that my sex drive will be pretty good for about 3 weeks in...and then not so much for the remainer of the 10 weeks. Actually gets a bit better during my 2 weeks off at the end of the 10 week test cycle...Then is gone until after the 10 day HCG therapy is over and then picks up again for the 1st week of my test therapy through the 3rd week again...then dips.



I feel that there is a solution here. I originally began w/ 200mg a week of test, but had no sex drive and my test numbers came back at only the 600 range according to labcorp. The weekly injections were slowly increased until I found decent results at double the doese (400mg a week)....Which work pretty good for the 1st 3 weeks....then my sex drive dips until the beginning of my next cycle.



Any opinions oin what is going on ? I feel that there is a sweet spot somewhere in there between my 1st and 3rd week. During this time I take no anti E.....I'm prescribed to take an anti E every 3 days after my third week. I've experimented w/ taking one a week , to 2 a week, to even 3 a week. None made me feel any diffeent.


I've actually considered not taking it at all unless I felt symptoms of high estrogen, but I've held back from that since I thought it might not be a good idea. I'm sure test replacemt will lead to too high estrogen....but I'm not sure..



Any ideas ar advice /info is HIGHLY appreciated. I feel really good the 1st 3 weeks, but then it tapers off. I would like to maintain that feeling of the 1st 3 weeks throughout every 10 week test replacement cycle, but I'm not sure if it's a question of lowering. raising the test dosage or lowering/raising the anti-E dosage...THANKYOU.

You are definitely high metabilizer.
More like super-metabolizer.

Your solution is not in increasing your weekly dose.
Your solution is in increasing frequency of shots.

With current T-doses and schedules your blood test for TT, E2 and DHT are rather meaningless.

I suggest that you do following for three months.
Have to be done religiously, sticking to the schedule otherwise it does not count.

Best would be if you could do daily schedules, but EOD may also work.
That depends on how badly, how fast, are you metabolizing testosterone.

Use only 200mg/mL testosterone, enanthate or cypionate.
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If on daily schedule:

T-shot=20mg=10units=0.1cc
HCG-shot=200IU

both shots at the same time
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If on EOD schedule

T-shot=40mg=20units=0.2cc
HCG-shot=400IU

both shots one day, next day free
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Drop your Arimidex
If you have obvious gyno signs during this time, add Arimidex in, preferably do not use it.
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After 2 better after 3 months do following tests:

27 T3, Total (859X)
28 T4, Total (Thyroxine)
29 T3, Free
30 T4,Free
31 T3, Reverse (967X)
32 Ultrasensitive TSH
33 Thyroid Peroxidase and Thyroglobulin Antibodies (7260X)
34 Insuline, serum
37 IGF Binding protein-3
38 IGF-1
39 Aldosterone
40 Cortisol Binding Globulin (Transcortin) (37371X)
41 Cortisol AM/PM
42 DHEA Sulfate 402X
43 Prolactin - (746X)
46 Progesterone, LC/MS/MS 17183X
47 Pregnenolone, LC/MS/MS (31493X) 28373P
48 Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS/MS (30289X)
49 Estrone, LC/MS/MS (23244X)
50 Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS) Code: 14966X
51 Dihydrotestosterone, Free, Serum (36168X) 12997N
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Bounce your results against goals, post your results here for discussion.

My own Goals
DHEAs(500-640)mcg/dL(13.55-17.34)mol/L------------------major player, 95% time overlooked
Progesterone(0.9-1.2)ng/mL
Pregnenolone(> 100ng/dL)
Estradiol, Ultrasensitive(25-29)pg/mL
Estrone, LC/MS/MS (23244X)
do not use Anastrozole if possible or minimize its use
BATest(342, 460-575)ng/dL------------stay around 342 if you need AI to control E2
DHT(60-90)ng/dL
RT3 in lower half of range, TotalT3 in upper 1/3 range
FreeT3~400pg/dL
Body temperature (97.8 - 98.2F) (36.56 - 36.78C); (36.6-37C)(97.9-98.6F)
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If you already know that your DHEAs is not in above range, start poping DHEA pills.
I have to do 400mg/day to get there.
Your mileage may vary, blood test is the answer (no urine no saliva only blood test).
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You cannot use "normal" needles.
Use these, otherwise you will not be able to stand so many shots.
On the beginning stick to this BD brand, some people complained about quality of other brands.
As long as you have something to compare, brand is not important, size of needles is important.

BD Ultrafine II U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16inch Short Needle--1/2 Unit Markings 100/b at Hocks.com
BD Ultrafine II U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16inch Short Needle--1/2 Unit Markings 100/b Price: $27.80
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A doctor has you on this protocol? Why are you doing this to your body? If you want the truth, you are on too high a dose of Testosterone and then you stop everything for a while and then go on HCG. When you tested your blood while on the 200mg a week, was it at the end of one of these cycles you do; i.e. 2 weeks after your last shot.

Do you get comprehensive bloodwork? I think everyone would be interested in your lab results. That is also the best way to get advice.
 
Stop the cycling bull shit and going to these antiaging clinics as they are nortorious for doing this.
Did you take labs on the day of the shot so you would score low. With 200 mgs you are probably peaking about 1400 mgs 24 hours after shot. If you have a big fat ass you need inch and a half needles to get it in. I have not seen once your estrodial checked the whole time. I fuck it love it they are giving you an AI without checking your e2 levels ..So in reality they are giving it for good measures.. This HRT person does not know his ass from a hole in the wall and you are getting screwed in the end big time...
 
Listen to Hard get a better Dr. I am the kind of guy that uses the T as fast as I take it. I was on TRT doing every kind there was patches, creams, gels and now shots. But I do my shots every 3 days 70 mgs and I do HCG 400 IU's the 2 days each in between my T shots this keeps me leveled and holds down my estradiol levels. I do .25 mgs of Arimidex every 2 or 3 days to keep my estradiol in check. I gage my levels of Estradiol by my night time and morning wood.

I tried doing shots every other day even every day I also tried just HCG doing 100 IU's every day this just upped the Estradiol and I needed to take a lot of Arimidex as much as 1mg / day to keep Estradiol down. Doing shots every day or every other day the Testosterone half life stacked up on me and one set of labs doing them the same way would be off the top of the range then Dr. would lower dose and next set of labs would fall big time. I got dam tried of this roller coaster ride and settled on shots every 3 days with HCG in between this works the best for me.
 
Here are the best 3 in the nation IMO
North east - DR O and I worked together - philly PA
midwest - Dr. John Crisler - lansing MI
West - Dr romeo mariano - bay area.

No one is better then another each of them have their own area of expertise give your location would most likely determine your choice.
 
I noticed a few of you mentioned taking HCG along w/ the cycle...Why ? I was under the impression this would raise estradiol....I don't really have a problem w/ testicular atrophy...maybe a bit after 10 solid weeks. I would rather do HCG then to bring them back 100%, but if I am wrong then so be it. Just want to know why....Would definitely consider running HCG all along if it helps wood/sex drive.



Does running HCG all along help w/ sex drive/erections, or is it just for asthetics/ keeping the testes full ? Also, wouldn't this requires an( Anti E Arimedex) ?


I would feel MUCH more comfortable taking less test than more. My labs were taken at around week 6 of my TRT cycle (very 1st cycle) at about 6 days after my shot. Perhaps taking more frequent shots, but at smaller doses is the answer. I have suspected this to be honest, just dreaded sticking my self more often than I am now....However if smaller insulin pins will work then that would be perfect as those are painless.



Now how does one go about finding the correct dosing schedule ? daily, EOD, and how much at a time ??


BTW I will do labs again soon. Thanks guys.
 
Hi
New to this site and reading different articles-this post has my interest as i am presently on TRT and very interested in others cycles and results
I have a water problem and switched from cypinate to enthanate to allieviate this
200mg 1x a week injection
hgc 20 mg days 5 and 6
antiestrogen every third day
definately get a boost in libido for sure -this is my second cycle -second week in
also on hgh low dose long term for 1.4 mg 5x a week
this hasnt given me any noticable results by itself and unless it kicks in down the road like i've been told I wont be doing hgh again because of the price!
I,m 55 y/o work out 3x a week with weights 5x a week with 30-45 min of cardio lite work on treadmill
My diet sucks and thats my sticking point -feeling myself growing but too much bodyfat to see much of my results
all in all the trt is great for attitude energy and libido
would appreciate any comments or help especially in the diet department

thanks
 
Hi
New to this site and reading different articles-this post has my interest as i am presently on TRT and very interested in others cycles and results
I have a water problem and switched from cypinate to enthanate to allieviate this
200mg 1x a week injection
hgc 20 mg days 5 and 6
antiestrogen every third day
definately get a boost in libido for sure -this is my second cycle -second week in
also on hgh low dose long term for 1.4 mg 5x a week
this hasnt given me any noticable results by itself and unless it kicks in down the road like i've been told I wont be doing hgh again because of the price!
I,m 55 y/o work out 3x a week with weights 5x a week with 30-45 min of cardio lite work on treadmill
My diet sucks and thats my sticking point -feeling myself growing but too much bodyfat to see much of my results
all in all the trt is great for attitude energy and libido
would appreciate any comments or help especially in the diet department

thanks

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