My Visit with HAN and Dr. Overbeck

yes, that is right. i have completely discontinued use of cortef (hydrocortisone.) i made sure to slowly taper off to offset any issues.
 
Glad to hear you are doing better, thanks for posting.

Did you get DHEA tested or DHEA-S? And was it blood/saliva or both?

My DHEA-S came back low in a blood test but came back very high is saliva. As you can guess, I was stumped. I did take DHEA pills for a week but it made me feel so strange and horrible that I had to stop. I am doing ok now on Danazol and DIM, but could do better.

That strange and horrible feeling is probably too much estradiol. I had the same effect from HCG injections.
 
That strange and horrible feeling is probably too much estradiol. I had the same effect from HCG injections.

With out testing you would never have an idea.
HCG could have stimulate adrenals or other metabolic pathways all depends on a person biochemistry.
dhea breaks down into several metabolites.

No known riske as people have been up to high as 50 mgs TD with no issues. after 50 mgs may be where the problem arises, but as of now NO NONE..Why I use the DHEA urine to see what the byproduct is metablizing to.
People may need to start at 25 mgs and work up after a month of testing via urine. It will be curious to see if DHEA - S goes up in urine but probably will not. My dhea goes down in serum but i get the protective effects of the dhea
 
i'm on day 10 with nothing but positives. i feel more alert, have more energy, and my libido is starting to pick up. and improved mental acuity. we will def. be monitoring my levels. as you can see in the pics i already have a rack that would compete with pamela anderson. :)
 
Sounds good, I may try some. I almost bought the Life-flo DHEA-plus, then noticed that it had vitamin e in it (known for its estrogenic effect). They have a DHEA for men cream, but it contains Saw Palmetto, an anti-androgen, for God's sake.
 
What parts do you apply the cream to?

I started a thread a few months ago called "Can DHEA directly improve sex drive?", and the general consensus was that it was only useful as a precursor to other hormones. Yet in the last few weeks I have read several accounts of DHEA restoring sex drive, such as yours. There doesn't seem to be much research done on DHEA and sexual function - we know that a connection exists, but that's about it.

Dr John Crisler has stated that serum DHEA levels correspond to sexual function better than any other hormone he's tested. And yeah, he's still scratching his head over that one.
 
After looking everything over once again and ruling out any other possibilities they decided to prescribe me a transdermal DHEA cream. I am now about one week into it and there's a night & day difference. My libido is starting to come back and I feel amazing. .

Won't the DHEA cream eventually supress your hpta? in about a month or so?
 
What parts do you apply the cream to?

I started a thread a few months ago called "Can DHEA directly improve sex drive?", and the general consensus was that it was only useful as a precursor to other hormones. Yet in the last few weeks I have read several accounts of DHEA restoring sex drive, such as yours. There doesn't seem to be much research done on DHEA and sexual function - we know that a connection exists, but that's about it.

Dr John Crisler has stated that serum DHEA levels correspond to sexual function better than any other hormone he's tested. And yeah, he's still scratching his head over that one.

My DHEA-s is on the low side.

If my sex drive doesn't come back in a month, I am going to ask my endo about DHEA
 
to many are just trying to draw strawls because they are desperate for answers. It really depends on each indiviudal cases with alot of variable that need to be considered before trying to shot gun thing. Things have to be done in a systematic matter in order to follow some out of a logical methodology other wise one may creating more problems. I was guilty of this many years ago and it only retarded my progression.
 
to many are just trying to draw strawls because they are desperate for answers. It really depends on each indiviudal cases with alot of variable that need to be considered before trying to shot gun thing. Things have to be done in a systematic matter in order to follow some out of a logical methodology other wise one may creating more problems. I was guilty of this many years ago and it only retarded my progression.

I don't like to say it..but he's extremely right on this one. Reaching extensively for many different ailments will not get you far as HANS pointed out..I did the same thing for a while. I now do not jump upon anything unless the clinical symptoms are staring me in the face.
 
I second that. Also, as for applying the cream I usually apply to my shoulder area. I rotate areas each day. Awhile back I read that it's good to apply to different places, but I only do it to reduce irritation on my skin from the constant rubbing. Also, a lot of people are curious about the shutdown of HPTA? HAN.. You want to take that one?
 
to many are just trying to draw strawls because they are desperate for answers. It really depends on each indiviudal cases with alot of variable that need to be considered before trying to shot gun thing. Things have to be done in a systematic matter in order to follow some out of a logical methodology other wise one may creating more problems. I was guilty of this many years ago and it only retarded my progression.

Yeah

I won't be doing anything until I see my endo in a month.
 
Dhea TD does not stay dhea it gets converted into different metabolites unlike the orals. So I do not think it as suppresses as the oral form. I think 50 mgs is a good safe dose based on many drs that are using it. If its doing the job and making you feel good and you do not have side effects then last thing on my mind would be worrying if it suppressive or not. Do not try analyze things so deeply because if the body is not making it then its shut down already. You are just supporting it more then anytrhing. Being on TD dhea may also be a good way to increase GH levels as well alot cheaper then gh directly. i would not take dhea oral and TD together.
 
I think 50 mgs is a good safe dose based on many drs that are using it. If its doing the job and making you feel good and you do not have side effects then last thing on my mind would be worrying if it suppressive or not.

I respect your advice and expertise HAN but my understanding of DHEA is that it's suppressive. Especially if used everyday continously. PP's dermacrine has 72mg = 5pumps and that is suppressive within a month. But even two pumps of dermacrine/day will be supressive eventually.

Not trying to be an ass or anything, i am just curious about the dhea. I am also considering coming out to see you. I am pretty tired of chasing my tail and running around in circles. Right now I am off all supplementation, and if my body doesn't get back to normal within a month or two, I am considering driving out to see you and Dr O
 

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