Hcg burned my leydig cells proof

[akiravp82]

HCG just stopped working cold turkey after 3 weeks on 500iu every night, it was working fine at the beginning i felt good, i decided to take a pause for a few weeks then try again and its still not working, if thats not enough proof then i dont know what is, i have labs to proove it to as soon as i get home ill put em up , maybe theres more to it that i dont know? if theres something i dont know please let me know guys.

 

[wannapitchabettertent]

If you dont mind me asking, what are some of those problems that you and your DR never thought thyorid problems would be causing?

Chronic massive indigestion
Acne
Severe constant pain in feet
On and off arthritic like pain in total body
Getting a hardon was practically impossible
Blood pressure went insane
Depression
There were so many things going wrong that I couldnt keep track, and honestly dont even
like revisiting those days by walking memory lane.

I continued to train through all of this, and appeared healthy, did a great
job of faking health. But I was one sick M.F.

 

[musulman]

You never should have used hcg in first place, you had a test level of 400, that is fine. Dont listen to noone who says what your ideal test levels should be, these guys just want to create a market so they can porfit, its like creating a gap in the market ready to exploit. Its okay when you are below 300 ng, but 400 ng is not that bad. If someone says to you that you should be at 700ng dl then dont listen to them, cos they dont really know what your genetic levels were m,eant to be, nopt everyone is a 800 ng dl test lvels kinda man, so always think, maybe there is an ulterior motive. Most of this antiaging field is new, unchartered terriotory using pharmaceuticals that bodybuilders have used, in order to 'treat' . The so called doctors usually are not really that knowledgeable, a steroid using bodybuilder can know just as much, most of the info is from the likes of dan duchaine. These doctors just use the old knowledge to treat and test their drugs out on, making you essentially a guinea pig and learn as they go along. It can be a money making scam, feeding on mens insecurities in order to line pockets and the guy is not really a proper doctor, just someone who has the ability to prescribe drugs to you under the banner of antiaging specialist.

I am sorry you have now made yourself a candidate for trt due to your gulliblity and naiveity. Any pharmaceutical you take can cause probs, with test modifying pharmaceuticals you shold have known something wrong could happen, yet you most likely got influenced and led down the garden path by the 'antiaging' crowd. If you are from englan i know someone who may be able to help you without going on drugs.

I believe this trt stuff is unnecessary for most men, it is something that is being promoted by none other than the doctors and the antiaging field themselves who really are not even proper doctors usually, just smart shrewd businessmen who want to exploit a gap in the market ---the gap being, mens insecurities on aging. Yes we may have a lot of estrogen flying around, the solution to that is to distill your drinking water, avoid plastic etc, get good rest eat well excersize. It is not to replace an entire endcorine system within the body.

I beleive your hcg would have destroyed your testciles, think about it, it cant have been doing good can it.

 

[bax]

You never should have used hcg in first place, you had a test level of 400, that is fine. Dont listen to noone who says what your ideal test levels should be, these guys just want to create a market so they can porfit, its like creating a gap in the market ready to exploit. Its okay when you are below 300 ng, but 400 ng is not that bad. If someone says to you that you should be at 700ng dl then dont listen to them, cos they dont really know what your genetic levels were m,eant to be, nopt everyone is a 800 ng dl test lvels kinda man, so always think, maybe there is an ulterior motive. Most of this antiaging field is new, unchartered terriotory using pharmaceuticals that bodybuilders have used, in order to 'treat' . The so called doctors usually are not really that knowledgeable, a steroid using bodybuilder can know just as much, most of the info is from the likes of dan duchaine. These doctors just use the old knowledge to treat and test their drugs out on, making you essentially a guinea pig and learn as they go along. It can be a money making scam, feeding on mens insecurities in order to line pockets and the guy is not really a proper doctor, just someone who has the ability to prescribe drugs to you under the banner of antiaging specialist.

I am sorry you have now made yourself a candidate for trt due to your gulliblity and naiveity. Any pharmaceutical you take can cause probs, with test modifying pharmaceuticals you shold have known something wrong could happen, yet you most likely got influenced and led down the garden path by the 'antiaging' crowd. If you are from englan i know someone who may be able to help you without going on drugs.

I believe this trt stuff is unnecessary for most men, it is something that is being promoted by none other than the doctors and the antiaging field themselves who really are not even proper doctors usually, just smart shrewd businessmen who want to exploit a gap in the market ---the gap being, mens insecurities on aging. Yes we may have a lot of estrogen flying around, the solution to that is to distill your drinking water, avoid plastic etc, get good rest eat well excersize. It is not to replace an entire endcorine system within the body.

I beleive your hcg would have destroyed your testciles, think about it, it cant have been doing good can it.

Must be something about posters on this site writing the most nonsensical drivel that no one can understand. Firts BBC's diatrobes and now this. So, just so I am clear, the impotence, depression, feeling like crying, joint aches, no recovery from workouts from a test level of 320 was something I should have just lived with? Please tell me you are joking, sir. While I agree to a point that certain people shoul not be on trt, and that everyone should try and find the root cause, your post is laughable other than that. Dan Duchaine? REALLY?

 

[musulman]

Dan duchaine really, i am serious, most these guys runnin around posing as anti aging doctors just follow what the steroid users do, seriously, clomid was used a long time ago in bodybuilding to restore test levels after steroids, its use was then seen by 'doctors' who in turn designed restart protocols just copying what the bodybuilding community did. All of this is new stuff though and has inherent risks of side efffects being associated with them in 20 30 years, with new use of meds or even new meds, there is no way of knowing long term side effects and these docs dont care, they have a job, an area of supposed expertise and plenty of money to be made.

Your prior steroid use could have caused this problem, if you have used before.

Lifting weighs can cause low test, its the repeated stress over years that wears you down and causes this low test condition.

An unhealthy life, eating wrong foods and indulging in too much sex can do this.

you may wanna inject test and feel good but i dont think it is healthy long term, of course it makes you feel good, its an injection of a hormone that makes you feel good but why are you hypogonadal in the first place? That injection aint curing you, just masking your symptom and making you a pretend man just like the gender change females who become men.

There are plenty of herbals that can solve your type probs, or other routes to explore, maybe you did not need to go on TRT but the antiaging crowd would have told you you have no choice but to go on trt and that your levels are too low, evryone has different levels, its a scam to get a customer for life, imagine the money from lifelong customers who are dependent on you, imagine the money for pharmaceutical companies. This is a whole big scam, when you get old you are meant to blow out and not feel as good as you did when you were young, if you lead a healthy life (my version of healthy is different from yours) you age gracefully, you live a stressed life you blow out sooner, its nature. Remember steroids make everyone feel good, thats what they do, that does not mean they are good or they are the right course of action or even healthy.

 

[bax]

Dan duchaine really, i am serious, most these guys runnin around posing as anti aging doctors just follow what the steroid users do, seriously, clomid was used a long time ago in bodybuilding to restore test levels after steroids, its use was then seen by 'doctors' who in turn designed restart protocols just copying what the bodybuilding community did. All of this is new stuff though and has inherent risks of side efffects being associated with them in 20 30 years, with new use of meds or even new meds, there is no way of knowing long term side effects and these docs dont care, they have a job, an area of supposed expertise and plenty of money to be made.

Your prior steroid use could have caused this problem, if you have used before.

Lifting weighs can cause low test, its the repeated stress over years that wears you down and causes this low test condition.

An unhealthy life, eating wrong foods and indulging in too much sex can do this.

you may wanna inject test and feel good but i dont think it is healthy long term, of course it makes you feel good, its an injection of a hormone that makes you feel good but why are you hypogonadal in the first place? That injection aint curing you, just masking your symptom and making you a pretend man just like the gender change females who become men.

There are plenty of herbals that can solve your type probs, or other routes to explore, maybe you did not need to go on TRT but the antiaging crowd would have told you you have no choice but to go on trt and that your levels are too low, evryone has different levels, its a scam to get a customer for life, imagine the money from lifelong customers who are dependent on you, imagine the money for pharmaceutical companies. This is a whole big scam, when you get old you are meant to blow out and not feel as good as you did when you were young, if you lead a healthy life (my version of healthy is different from yours) you age gracefully, you live a stressed life you blow out sooner, its nature. Remember steroids make everyone feel good, thats what they do, that does not mean they are good or they are the right course of action or even healthy.

Firstly, the doctors who are GOOD at what they do do not do what the steroid users do. Take your example of clomid for instance. A steroid user will use that at 150mg per day. A good docotor will use extremely low dose clomid to get a patient restarted. So while you may be speaking in half truths, it is just that, halfs. As for me, I wish I could go on an herb and feel better. Unfortunately I have a damaged pituitary gland. I tried for over 3 years to do it the natural way while my body continued to fall apart. According to you, should I have just accepted this at 29 years old and because my test was repeatedly between 270 and 320? Is it "natural" to feel
75 wwhen your 27? Why should I accept this? And please, explain to me what fuc**** herb will fix this cause Id love to know. And FYI, there are just as many herbs that have messed people up as there are pharmaceuticals, etc. So again, I ask you, instead of injecting test,, ahould I just stop and reap the rewards of being "natural", and all the dangers that go along with being extremely low on hormones? Please enlighten me. I hate being reliant on testosterone, trust me. But given the choice between that and feeling like death, Ill choose the needle, thank you. Seriously, if you have a better option, tell me.

 

[bax]

causes this low test condition.

An unhealthy life, eating wrong foods and indulging in too much sex can do this

QUOTE]

And please dont take offense because I believe you are serious, but for the love of God if you want to be taken seriously pease refrain from statements like this.

 

[musulman]

too much sex will cause early hypogonadism. Believe it.

You think its stupid, i say the whole western thinking to sex is stupid. We are taught sex is good and do it often, we masturbate from young ages and over indulge, now If the adrenals burnout, why not the testicles and the pituarty hormones?

Moderation in evrything keeps you healthy and long

 

[KBD]

too much sex will cause early hypogonadism. Believe it.

You think its stupid, i say the whole western thinking to sex is stupid. We are taught sex is good and do it often, we masturbate from young ages and over indulge, now If the adrenals burnout, why not the testicles and the pituarty hormones?

Moderation in evrything keeps you healthy and long

Wtf? Are you an idiot?

If that were the case when i was 13 my balls would have never dropped from jerkin off so much.

 

[bax]

too much sex will cause early hypogonadism. Believe it.

You think its stupid, i say the whole western thinking to sex is stupid. We are taught sex is good and do it often, we masturbate from young ages and over indulge, now If the adrenals burnout, why not the testicles and the pituarty hormones?

Moderation in evrything keeps you healthy and long

opcorn::drooling:[)]

No words.

 

[KBD]

too much sex will cause early hypogonadism. Believe it.

You think its stupid, i say the whole western thinking to sex is stupid. We are taught sex is good and do it often, we masturbate from young ages and over indulge, now If the adrenals burnout, why not the testicles and the pituarty hormones?

Moderation in evrything keeps you healthy and long

Apparently brain cells burnout too.

 

[wannapitchabettertent]

too much sex will cause early hypogonadism. Believe it.

You think its stupid, i say the whole western thinking to sex is stupid. We are taught sex is good and do it often, we masturbate from young ages and over indulge, now If the adrenals burnout, why not the testicles and the pituarty hormones?

Moderation in evrything keeps you healthy and long

Finding the middle is always good. I understand your philosophy. But calling the western thinking stupid is not finding the middle. I speak the language man, I know what your board name translates to. Maybe the eastern thinking is not so perfect either. We are all human, so we all err.

 

[musulman]

Wtf? Are you an idiot?

If that were the case when i was 13 my balls would have never dropped from jerkin off so much.

So many men in the west go hypogonadal, yet when you look at primitive looking people with different philosphy you realise men in those societies stay strong and sexual for a long long time. Then you then realise that their philosphy to sex is to do it in moderation. The testicles make hormones, the pituary is a gland. The adrenals are glands that make hormones. If adrenals can get depleted and start performing poorly by over use than surely other galnds can be depleted too. Adrenals get taxed through too much overwork and stress. Would other glands not have this happen? Everybody has their opnion, to you yours to me mine, but calling someone stupid is not the correct way to go about sharing yours and exchanging info, afterall the purpose of these discussion boards is to share opposing and different info that can be discussed and it can bring another nagle into commonly held beliefs / info..

 

[Martin777]

Well, I guess if someone masturbated 4 times daily from the age of 13 till 25, he could as well cause himself medical problems. Not sure if that alone might be enough for hypogonadism but done in excess, I don't think it will do good for you and it might contribute to ED.

There has been one person on this board reporting his problems with excess masturbation, can't remember the nickname of threads now.

 

[WindyTents]

You never should have used hcg in first place, you had a test level of 400, that is fine. Dont listen to noone who says what your ideal test levels should be, these guys just want to create a market so they can porfit, its like creating a gap in the market ready to exploit. Its okay when you are below 300 ng, but 400 ng is not that bad. If someone says to you that you should be at 700ng dl then dont listen to them, cos they dont really know what your genetic levels were m,eant to be, nopt everyone is a 800 ng dl test lvels kinda man, so always think, maybe there is an ulterior motive. Most of this antiaging field is new, unchartered terriotory using pharmaceuticals that bodybuilders have used, in order to 'treat' . The so called doctors usually are not really that knowledgeable, a steroid using bodybuilder can know just as much, most of the info is from the likes of dan duchaine. These doctors just use the old knowledge to treat and test their drugs out on, making you essentially a guinea pig and learn as they go along. It can be a money making scam, feeding on mens insecurities in order to line pockets and the guy is not really a proper doctor, just someone who has the ability to prescribe drugs to you under the banner of antiaging specialist.

I am sorry you have now made yourself a candidate for trt due to your gulliblity and naiveity. Any pharmaceutical you take can cause probs, with test modifying pharmaceuticals you shold have known something wrong could happen, yet you most likely got influenced and led down the garden path by the 'antiaging' crowd. If you are from englan i know someone who may be able to help you without going on drugs.

I believe this trt stuff is unnecessary for most men, it is something that is being promoted by none other than the doctors and the antiaging field themselves who really are not even proper doctors usually, just smart shrewd businessmen who want to exploit a gap in the market ---the gap being, mens insecurities on aging. Yes we may have a lot of estrogen flying around, the solution to that is to distill your drinking water, avoid plastic etc, get good rest eat well excersize. It is not to replace an entire endcorine system within the body.

I beleive your hcg would have destroyed your testciles, think about it, it cant have been doing good can it.

If he felt good at 400 ng/dl because that is his genetic limit I dont think he would of found this site and wanted to try the HCG in the first place. Sure there's some men who really only need 400 ng/dl just like there's some men who are naturally at 1100 ng/dl. But most of us are average and if we feel like shit at 400 ng/dl and every other problem has been ruled out theres no way that is our genetic level.

It's just not as drastic as you make it sound. We are replacing what is not there. The body reacts to the testosterone the same way it would have if it was from your testicles.

I do have to admit though sometimes I wonder if the body makes excess estrogen as a way to protect the man and warn him that he has put his levels too high. Reality says other wise though because if man raises his levels too high with TRT the body then balances it out with high estrogen. The man feels bad and he puts himself on a AI and his estrogen goes down and he feels like a million bucks. If the excess estrogen was there to protect the man how come when he blocked out this conversion all he got was positive benefits and not any negative ones? Seems like excess estrogen is only there to be a pain in the ass.

 

[BBC3]

Diatrobes. I'm gonna have to look that one up. Touche...

You sound like me when I went on TRT at 36. My bench would not recover for 7-10 days, depression, no motivation for life.. NOW, I am about to absolutely destroy my life because i can stop harrassing my wife for attention. I can spank it 2wice a day. I tried to quit lately and basically wind up a basket case of paranoid "unloved" diminsia, with no one to give it to... And now its pretty much dribbling down my leg a couple of times a day.

Yes, you are missing out. But on what, I am not sure. Of course that is a high side TRT dose...[)]

Found DiatrIbe. I'll give you credit for a miskey. Now I am really not all THAT NASTY.....

Must be something about posters on this site writing the most nonsensical drivel that no one can understand. Firts BBC's diatrobes and now this. So, just so I am clear, the impotence, depression, feeling like crying, joint aches, no recovery from workouts from a test level of 320 was something I should have just lived with? Please tell me you are joking, sir. While I agree to a point that certain people shoul not be on trt, and that everyone should try and find the root cause, your post is laughable other than that. Dan Duchaine? REALLY?

 

[bdika]

HCG just stopped working cold turkey after 3 weeks on 500iu every night, it was working fine at the beginning i felt good, i decided to take a pause for a few weeks then try again and its still not working, if thats not enough proof then i dont know what is, i have labs to proove it to as soon as i get home ill put em up , maybe theres more to it that i dont know? if theres something i dont know please let me know guys.

liar.. you didnt put any proof here

 

[MisterSuperGod]

liar.. you didnt put any proof here

That was seven years ago.
Let it go, man.

 

[Dr JIM]

That was seven years ago.
Let it go, man.

Lol

 

[william12]

For all of you who say HCG cannot destroy your leydig cells, well your wrong im the living proof! long story short was on for 500iu every night 7 days a week, in a month my testosterone whent from 400 ng/dl down to 168ng/dl! estrodial at 14 pg/ml so exessive estrogen is not the case, i took a 2 week pause now trying to get back on HCG at a much lower dose 250 iu three times weekly and my total testosterone is at 150 ng/dl now! keep in mind E2 is in check HCG is mixed the right way and all that, i still beleive that permanent damage from HCG to leydig cells is rare and wont happen to most people, but for some dam reason it sure happened to me , it might be rare but its definitely possible! just shows how everyones body and biochemistry is so much different, now ive made myself primary and finished off my testicles for good, i dont even feel the HCG bringing my testicles in size anymore, its finished working im over with it most likely will have to talk to my doc next week and start on T injections , had i known 500iu every night 7 days a week was to much id do a much lower dose but to late now the damage is done and i guess im gonna have to live with it its really two bad because the first 2-3 weeks on HCG i felt great! and thought id just top it off with a little bit of testosterone and id be fine.

It Takes a lot longer for hcg to cause deterioration in testosterone production, some people stay on it for years without problems, I was from the ones HCG stopped working for them, Bit it was nothing as dramatic as burning of Leydig cells.

it's temporary in my case and maybe in yours.

HCG is not exactly LH but it stimulates almost all hormones.