that would be interesting. as his clientele seems to be diverse.
i wonder if wada would welcome greater discussion [)]. who cares.
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Bill Roberts: Help on 2 on 4 off cycle
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ok. so i just looked this up. as per anabolics 2007 by william llewellyn. mepitiostane. 17beta-(1-methoxycylclopentyloxy)-2alpha,3alpha,-epithio-5alpha-androstane. this is thioderon.
methepitiostane 2alpha,3alpha-epithio-17alpha-methyl-5alpha-androstan-17beta-ol. this is havoc. that was the original otc. then epistane.
methepitiostane is the c17 alkylated analog of epitiostane. the 17-beta etherfied derivitive of epitiostane is mepitiostane. thioderon. thioderon is drug dan duchaine once wrote about i believe. supposed to have no estrogenic or androgenic sides. and havoc or epistane is basically methyl thioderon. the ether on epitiostane to mepitiostane to aid in the lymphatic delivery. how fun is that! mepitiostane 100/25 anabolic/androgenic. methepitiostane is 1100/91. interesting.
mepitiostane is non aromatizable and possesses anti estrogenic properties. used it part against breast cancer. methepitiostane is a little less studied. but seems to share some of the same qualities. both dht derivatives. no estrogenic or progestational activity. and in fact may be anti estrogenic. dht is.
methepitiostane 2alpha,3alpha-epithio-17alpha-methyl-5alpha-androstan-17beta-ol. this is havoc. that was the original otc. then epistane.
methepitiostane is the c17 alkylated analog of epitiostane. the 17-beta etherfied derivitive of epitiostane is mepitiostane. thioderon. thioderon is drug dan duchaine once wrote about i believe. supposed to have no estrogenic or androgenic sides. and havoc or epistane is basically methyl thioderon. the ether on epitiostane to mepitiostane to aid in the lymphatic delivery. how fun is that! mepitiostane 100/25 anabolic/androgenic. methepitiostane is 1100/91. interesting.
mepitiostane is non aromatizable and possesses anti estrogenic properties. used it part against breast cancer. methepitiostane is a little less studied. but seems to share some of the same qualities. both dht derivatives. no estrogenic or progestational activity. and in fact may be anti estrogenic. dht is.
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mac111
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man, you are truly clueless.....
hate to do this. but i think youre thinking of thiomesterone. theres a write up in anabolic pharmacolgy on pg 210. it says its mentioned in underground steroid handbook 2. i have the first one. dans the man. still a good post. informative and interesting.
hate to do this. but i think youre thinking of thiomesterone. theres a write up in anabolic pharmacolgy on pg 210. it says its mentioned in underground steroid handbook 2. i have the first one. dans the man. still a good post. informative and interesting.
thanks bro. and thanks for the correction. its welcome, as is any other correction or positive feedback. some guys come here and try to thump their chest and so how big they are. its fucking lame. regardless of how much you can deadlift. were here to learn. to teach maybe. thats why im here. guys like that are best ignored. or as one idiot put it "time to put this complete and utter trolling clown on the ignore list i think............."
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"it likely also also imparts some anti-estrogenic effect, further stregthening the association between this agent and dieting, cutting, and lean muscle mass phases of training as opposed to bulking." anabolics 2007 by william llewellyn pg234 under havoc.
"as a dht derivative, this prosteroid is androgenic but has also been investigated as an antiestrogen. it is rumored to be very effective at reducing breast tissue growth." anabolic pharmacology by seth roberts pg 232 under methylepitiostanol.
so youve just called these two highly regarded well respected men clueless. on account of your insecurities. well done.
these statements are also supported by other information on the web, as well as actual user feedback on these drugs of which you have none. so it looks like everyone is clueless but you. really mac who the fuck do think you are. not everyone knows everything and yet thats what you seem to think. mr know it all. answer me this. and i know you have an answer. what is it like to be a big man on the outside and yet feel so small on the inside.
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mac111
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ah you see, those books are largely BS, but then only a fool believes everything he reads."it likely also also imparts some anti-estrogenic effect, further stregthening the association between this agent and dieting, cutting, and lean muscle mass phases of training as opposed to bulking." anabolics 2007 by william llewellyn pg234 under havoc.
"as a dht derivative, this prosteroid is androgenic but has also been investigated as an antiestrogen. it is rumored to be very effective at reducing breast tissue growth." anabolic pharmacology by seth roberts pg 232 under methylepitiostanol.
so youve just called these two highly regarded well respected men clueless. on account of your insecurities. well done.
these statements are also supported by other information on the web, as well as actual user feedback on these drugs of which you have none. so it looks like everyone is clueless but you. really mac who the fuck do think you are. not everyone knows everything and yet thats what you seem to think. mr know it all. answer me this. and i know you have an answer. what is it like to be a big man on the outside and yet feel so small on the inside.
Ergo, do us a favour and get back to us when you have actually even used any AAS. your long wafting theories on a subject you know very little about are getting awfully tedious and over bearing.
i really dont understand ppl who appoint themselves knowledgeable on subjects they have no experience on.
do you go on car forums to advise on engine rebuilds aswell?
mac111
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am i the only one who notices that this idiot quotes and tells HIMSELF he has got it wrong?????!!!!!!!
Ergo, get some help
Ergo, get some help
am i the only one who notices that this idiot quotes and tells HIMSELF he has got it wrong?????!!!!!!!
Ergo, get some help
... and then thanks himself for his own correction!
Whoa! He's having a conversation with HIMSELF!
mac111
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just wondering how he manages type considering the straight jacket he most likely is in [... and then thanks himself for his own correction!
Whoa! He's having a conversation with HIMSELF!
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thanks bro. and thanks for the correction. its welcome, as is any other correction or positive feedback. some guys come here and try to thump their chest and so how big they are. its fucking lame. regardless of how much you can deadlift. were here to learn. to teach maybe. thats why im here. guys like that are best ignored. or as one idiot put it "time to put this complete and utter trolling clown on the ignore list i think............."
no bro. thank YOU!(y)
thank you for actually addressing the post instead of attacking it. facts are facts. and some things just work. even if you didnt know or have never tried. really a lot of this is just for fun. but i try to be as acurate as possible. and sometimes humble if i dont know. but i actually do know some things. and it looks like so do you.
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why would i attack it. youve only made it better. and i do know some stuff. if i dont know i dont try to personally attack those that do. that shit is lame. what kind of loser does that.
i have no idea. i try not to associate with people like that. guys that will try cut you down to build themselves up. avoid or ignore them seems best. i have little time for their silly games.
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If cutting is a goal, then yes, it can be an option.
Btw, a nice use of the 2 on / 4 off system is to break up the weeks into differing goals. The two "on" weeks can be gaining weeks where food intake is sufficient for excellent muscle growth but no unreasonable fat gain; the first off week I prefer to not be a dieting week as this seems to impair recovery at least somewhat; and then if desired the remaining off weeks can be dieting weeks.
This is a good way to both lose fat and gain muscle effectively in each 6 week period. It also can be psychologically easier to alternate this way rather than having to diet down for extended periods.
Btw, a nice use of the 2 on / 4 off system is to break up the weeks into differing goals. The two "on" weeks can be gaining weeks where food intake is sufficient for excellent muscle growth but no unreasonable fat gain; the first off week I prefer to not be a dieting week as this seems to impair recovery at least somewhat; and then if desired the remaining off weeks can be dieting weeks.
This is a good way to both lose fat and gain muscle effectively in each 6 week period. It also can be psychologically easier to alternate this way rather than having to diet down for extended periods.
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I like the above idea.
Also, let me emphasize that in a two weeker you really need to train hard and also train each muscle group more frequently than normal. I highly recommend high intensity low volume Dorian Yates style training in this two week period. Really work big compound movements, and especially the trap bar dead lift or regular deadlift if there is no trap bar, and the squat to a little below parallel if you can squat with decent form otherwise do deep leg presses and Hammer Strength Leg press is death!
Train on a two day split and every other day. You can make each workout even harder by making them shorter by splitting each day into two workouts and training once in the morning and once in the evening. This is not an excuse to add more exercises and sets though. This every other day format hits each muscle group once every 4th day. You can get more workouts in and more potential growth stimulating affect in a two weeker by training this way.
However, you cannot go on like this for more than 2 weeks....so back off on the intensity and frequency after this two weeks of very intense training.
I then highly recommend training on a two way split alternating workouts on a Monday-Wednesday-Friday format with weekends off. That hits each group twice in a 9 day period, Also, back off to squatting and dead lifting once a week. Alternatively you can train on a three way split Monday-Wednesday and Friday.
Still train low volume and still stick mainly with the big compound exercises but back off on the intensity and focus on micro loading tiny plates progressively from week to week.....and taking 7-10 days off when you go stale...and then coming back with 85-90% of your previous bests for reps and slowly work up to and past your previous bests. That is how you keep your gains and even gain more without steroids! However, if you go stale and weight progression even with micro plates stops then you could do another 2 weeker!!!
RG
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Now Ive noticed in these short cycles there has been no mention of running high dose of Primo instead of mast, is it not a viable candidate? If cost is not an issue is it something that be considered to be ran with tren and dbol for a 2 weeker?
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