first cycle help

[Chipsam]

I am 43 and am at 210lbs at 11% BF.
Many years of weight training under my belt. I am a "easy" gainer so I'm always watching my calories as I get fat real easy.
This is what I have: Test enan, D-bol (50 ED's), Clomid, Nolvadex
My plan:
weeks 1-12 -500mg test e @ 250 twice per week
weeks 1-4 - 25-40 (gonna have to play with this) D-bol
weeks 8-12 - back on the D-bol
3 weeks after last injection- clomid

I'm reading so many different viewpoints on PCT that I am now confused as to taking clomid and or nolva. I also have some HCG. I want to keep this simple and safe. I also plan on liver cleansers and I don't drink so am not worried about that.
Could I get some advice for the PCT's that I have?
Thanks

 

[mac111]

well done, at last someone has done their home work and doesnt need spoon fed!!

25mgs dbol is plenty
HCG 250iu's e3.5 days
get an AI like adex and use .5mg eod

pct 14days after last injection, amount mgs per day and for 5wks:

clomid 50/50/50/50/50
nolva 20/20/20/20/20

beware the kids jumping on this telling you to take more dbol btw
what exactly are your goals with this?

 

[Chipsam]

My goal is to put on some more muscle. I eat a clean diet and know that I will need to increase calories for this. I am at 300 grams a day on the protein now and will probably double that for the program. The remainder carbs will be all the good stuff.

Referring to the HCG and the AI (adex), you mentioned. You recommend I take this during my cycle or after?

 

[Chipsam]

I don't have enough HCG for the full 12 weeks. I had planned on using the HCG after and during the PCT to help with keeping my gains.
I will get some Arimidex for the cycle as well before I start.
How does this sound?

 

[Dr JIM]

Sounds reasonable to
me. Probabaly the only modification I would consider is taking the Novladex when your on Dbol especially if your predisposed to estrogenic side effects. Otherwise your gtg.!

 

[Chipsam]

I've never done this before. I don't know if I'm predisposed to anything yet. My thoughts were to stay safe and keep it simple so I can more easily determine what may or may not work for me.
I want to thank all of you for helping me. I am extremely grateful and will "pay it forward" in the end.

 

[Dr JIM]

If your tits become even a little "sore", not from benches etc, start the Nova

 

[Chipsam]

Dr. Jim,
Dude, thanks!
This is the stuff I need to know. Please more if you have the time
thanks again

 

[mac111]

My goal is to put on some more muscle. I eat a clean diet and know that I will need to increase calories for this. I am at 300 grams a day on the protein now and will probably double that for the program. The remainder carbs will be all the good stuff.

Referring to the HCG and the AI (adex), you mentioned. You recommend I take this during my cycle or after?

dont fall into the BS myth that you need masses of protein, its muscle weight you're feeding NOT all over body weight, im 225lbs and i can gain on 200grms protein a day, so why on earth do you need 300 never mind a crazy 600????.
if trying to gain muscle you will also add alittle fat depending on how precise your diet is, and its extremely difficult to have the perfect diet and takes alot of experience and a fair few cycles to get it nailed down, you wont get it perfect on the 1st cycle.
see carbs as a fuel and re-fuel and you wont go to far wrong there.

adex during the cycle for estro control. HCG also during, prevention is much better than cure., get some more.

 

[solo47]

If your tits become even a little "sore", not from benches etc, start the Nova

If you run the arimidex at 0.5 mg EOD, you have better protection for your "tits" than nolva. Plus, adex helps keep estrogen down enough to fight water bloat and other nasty estro sides, but it doesn't destroy it entirely. Good, because you need some. Continue the adex after your last injection while you do a 10 day run of HCG (500 iu EOD) to bring your balls back to size since HCG will also stimulate estro. However, if your testicles are fine, don't bother with the HCG. You don't need two runs of Dbol for your first cycle. IMO, you probably should just run the Test this time, but, if you want an early start, go ahead with your 1st Dbol plan. Good luck, youngster!

Solo

 

[mac111]

If you run the arimidex at 0.5 mg EOD, you have better protection for your "tits" than nolva. Plus, adex helps keep estrogen down enough to fight water bloat and other nasty estro sides, but it doesn't destroy it entirely. Good, because you need some. Continue the adex after your last injection while you do a 10 day run of HCG (500 iu EOD) to bring your balls back to size since HCG will also stimulate estro. However, if your testicles are fine, don't bother with the HCG. You don't need two runs of Dbol for your first cycle. IMO, you probably should just run the Test this time, but, if you want an early start, go ahead with your 1st Dbol plan. Good luck, youngster!

Solo

i did this 1st few times back when i needed pct's and found recovery was much better if hcg is run throughout rather than just before pct

 

[solo47]

...adex during the cycle for estro control. HCG also during, prevention is much better than cure., get some more.

I agree that HCG is best used during the cycle, but many doing their first cycle notice no or little testicular shrinkage, so it's your call. Personally, I like certain HCG sides, so I run 500 iu 2x/wk. It tends to shut down LH & FSH, so I wouldn't do this right away.

Solo

 

[Chipsam]

awesome info!
I'm working on getting more HCG and Arimidex as we speak.
This is gonna be a trip. I'm looking forward to it.

the "youngster"
lmao, love it

 

[mac111]

awesome info!
I'm working on getting more HCG and Arimidex as we speak.
This is gonna be a trip. I'm looking forward to it.

the "youngster"
lmao, love it

just def drop that dbol to a 30mg max, back pumps will destroy your workouts on higher doses

 

[Dr JIM]

Yea but Amiridex has a greater probability of estrogen related impotence even in low MALE doses and simce the aromataste enzyme responsible for DHT to estrogen conversion inhibition approximates 100%, I use it when (I want a big GUN) the free testosterone to estrogen ratio is lowest and the estrogen is highest. ... post cycle.

 

[mac111]

Yea but Amiridex has a greater probability of estrogen related impotence even in low MALE doses and simce the aromataste enzyme responsible for DHT to estrogen conversion inhibition approximates 100%, I use it when (I want a big GUN) the free testosterone to estrogen ratio is lowest and the estrogen is highest. ... post cycle.

what do you reckon to aromasin? it has become very popular and touted as a better choice than adex on afew forums

 

[Chipsam]

What do you mean by "back pumps" destroying workout? I don't know what you mean?

 

[Dr JIM]

In MALES I doubt it makes a damn bit of difference. The pharm companies are notorious for developing a "new product" once their patent expires. Letro is a classic example; similiar chemical structure with an identical mechanism of action
BOTH inhibit aromatase essentially 100% yet Letro lasts considerably longer and is not available generically in the US. (Exactly why it was developed)
Consequently, it's much more expensive (insurance covers about 80% of it with a copayment) for females. You generally just get more bang for your buck using generics. More importantly by then the product has been on the market a while, typically ten years, verifying its safety or LACK thereof. Recall the drug Vioxx, a "cox-2" antinflammatory used to treat rheumatoid or degenerative arthritis yet COULDN'T cause GI bleeding "because it was in a different class". I do because I treated some of the patients whom DIED from GI BLEEDING, we also discovered it was associated with a higher incidence of stroke and heart disease! , How about Actose touted as being the "best oral drug for diabetes" ? Within two years of its release, the FDA mandated a recall because of "fulminant" liver failure. I saw two of those also BOTH DIED.
Consequently, I avoid the NEW DRUG CRUSADE often initiated by pharmaceutical companies or their agents, if another drug in the same class is also available, for at least FIVE years to better ensure efficacy, reliability and safety.
Fortunately none of my clients developed complications from either Actose or Vioxx, because I chose not to prescribe them.

 

[mac111]

What do you mean by "back pumps" destroying workout? I don't know what you mean?

dbol can give you a cramping sensation, due to excess water retention, and affects mainly lower back and calves. on some runs i couldnt walk much further than 100yds and once i lower my doses i was fine

 

[Chipsam]

Thanks, well noted.