Anyone hear of these labs?

[MANWHORE]

Pharmacom Labs
Vermodje
Galenika .. This one I have
DESMA
NAPOSIMS ... this one too

OK, there are some more like
Balkan ,Asia, Shering, etc but let's start with these

I want to know, if they are all Human Grade.

I think Shering, Naposim, and Galenika are HG
but what about the rest, and which products would you
recommend?

Too many choices

 

[Sworder]

I believe Naposim had dianabol which was very popular.

When you mention Asia are you talking about ASIA PHARMA?!?!

 

[bodybuilder2012]

I have heard of naposim but never used, also heard of asia pharma if thats the one u mean and heard good things. I have balkan dianabol and test e on hand and looks really good. balkan is hg but i got it internationally and have heard by a few respected people that it is good gear. shering is good if u get the real ones. anabolics review book i have have them in there as a good lab but faked alot too

 

[MANWHORE]

I have heard of naposim but never used, also heard of asia pharma if thats the one u mean and heard good things. I have balkan dianabol and test e on hand and looks really good. balkan is hg but i got it internationally and have heard by a few respected people that it is good gear. shering is good if u get the real ones. anabolics review book i have have them in there as a good lab but faked alot too

Yeah, Shering I know .. I used to pass by the lab all the time
I think it was Shering in Jersey.. Organon too or maybe it was
just Organon .. Near Princeton were I went to get my PHD
No but really I used to pass by during deliveries in that area
and yes all those were Counterfeited alot .. some containing real
product, some not.

Asia Pharma, yes that's what I meant.

Do HG Pharm companies use different powders or
are all powders as clean as others and all can be made human grade?

I just brewed .. never really found all this out, which is why I ask

That first one has Tren E and a Tri Tren, which is why I
want to know if they are HG.. They say they are or at least the source
has them down as HG gear section

Galenika is very familiar.. They been out long cause I know
I either had their products or know someone who has.

I used to get the German Dbol in the little bottles with
blue labels. I am pretty sure they were German, but I
forget the name. I was very young

 

[kpaulson]

IMO all powders are purchased from china. regardless of whether it is a UGL or Pharm grade. the difference between pharma grade and ugl is that pharm companies go through very strict hygiene checks by government authorities. therefore their premises have to be 99% bacteria free and every piece of equipment has to be sterilised ti have NO bacteria or spores at all. compared to UGL, which isn't checked or anything. the powders are mostly the same, except for SOME companies that actually manufacture their own powders! TREN has NEVER been approved for human use and would never be human grade. tren was approved for use back in the day and only PARABOLAN was used. tren ace has only been used for cattle and never for human. Galenika is one of the BEST HG Test E that i have ever tried. but being said it is also the most commonly faked. (its produced in eastern europe, lol)
if you want real quality dbol i would go with the Thai Blue Heart Dbols. best i ever tried.. but i can't compare them to Naposim, heard good things about those but never tried them before. all the best!

EDIT*
Balkan Might be HG, lots of contreversy surrounding its authencity, mainly because its HG license originates from Moldova, (where ppl think licenses can just be bought cuz of corruption)
Asia Pharma is definitely UGL. Over Hyped to seem like a true HG.
Schering is the best for Test E (2nd to galenika IMO), IF you can get the real deal. thats all

 

[KCSMAN]

i never tried the blue hearts but them naps for being 5mg a tab they were potent. i took 50mg a day. killed my back.

 

[MANWHORE]

All powders come from China?

So I guess some China companies make powder for
Pharmacies and others make powders for UG labs?

This has to be correct, the way you are telling it.

My powder was 99% for my Tren E, Test, EQ, and 99.3% for Var

My stuff was very clean and to be very clean it does not have
to be made in a vacuum like alot of people who never brewed think ..
So basically, my shit was better than any Organon, Gelaneka, Shering
products cause mine was stronger and just as clean.

So, your saying the only thing that makes Human Grade, Human Grade
is cause it's sure to be clean and dosed right?

I am not sure I believe the powders all come from the same places
or are all made the same. Don't the powders have to be made HG too?

Does Pharm Grade mean Human Grade?

 

[MANWHORE]

TREN has NEVER been approved for human use and would never be human grade.

Why couldn't a company that has the same quality control
as a Human Grade company, brew Tren? It would then be
of Human Grade quality.. No?

 

[kpaulson]

yes MOST powders come from china. if i remember correctly, galenika has their own manufacturing plany which manufactures their own Test E powder. All powders come from china, being China men, they would sell to ANYONE willing to purchase them. be it real human grade companies, or just the typical home brewer at home. yes Pharmaceutical grade is the same as human grade. being a homebrewer myself, one of the problems i face when homebrewing is how to get the glass vials COMPLETELY sterile, before adding the hormone oil and then crimping. (if u know which step im referring to). i may wash it with alcohol, distilled water, then autoclave it, countless of items. but it would be nowhere near the standards of Pharmaceutical grade who have the neccesary equipment to clean it much better than i can. the powders don't have to be HG. HG products are only LICENSED as HG once they are at the final stage, which in the case of injectables, means that once they are in the liquid oil, inside the vial. should the product be made in a GMP approved instituition and the product conforms to HG standards, +/- 5% of stated product dose, 99-100& sterility, then can it be said to be HG(pharmaceutical grade). most of the raw products, are dirty and very hard to guaranteed CLEAN.

 

[kpaulson]

because Human Grade Quality, simply means that is has been approved for human consumption/use by the respective medical authorites. Tren, has no use in medical science to treat any human condition, therefore Human Grade Companies are not allowed to brew it. simply put, human grade companies need to have a license to brew ANYTHING before they can brew it.

 

[Sworder]

I remember Asia pharma plaguing the boards proclaiming to be pharm grade and that pharmacies in Thailand actually used them. Turns out to be a big verified lie as they are UGL with shit marketing and high prices. You get what you pay for though right? Erm, not always.. Sometimes you just get ripped off..

 

[kpaulson]

Agreed. Sadly, one of my old sources that shipped straight from middle east, sold pharma grade scherings and Iranian geofmans for like 1 dollar an amp! Unbelievable I know. But sadly it closed down and I wouldn't chance ordering anything from middle east these days. Sometimes you just gotta do your own research on sources on products!

 

[bodybuilder2012]

i have heard that balkan pharm is underdosed and also heard the licenses are as legit as if i bought one. But also heard from several sources on several boards that it is good gear but most who carry it are selective scammers.heard alot of good stuff about the quality of scirroxx also

IMO all powders are purchased from china. regardless of whether it is a UGL or Pharm grade. the difference between pharma grade and ugl is that pharm companies go through very strict hygiene checks by government authorities. therefore their premises have to be 99% bacteria free and every piece of equipment has to be sterilised ti have NO bacteria or spores at all. compared to UGL, which isn't checked or anything. the powders are mostly the same, except for SOME companies that actually manufacture their own powders! TREN has NEVER been approved for human use and would never be human grade. tren was approved for use back in the day and only PARABOLAN was used. tren ace has only been used for cattle and never for human. Galenika is one of the BEST HG Test E that i have ever tried. but being said it is also the most commonly faked. (its produced in eastern europe, lol)
if you want real quality dbol i would go with the Thai Blue Heart Dbols. best i ever tried.. but i can't compare them to Naposim, heard good things about those but never tried them before. all the best!

EDIT*
Balkan Might be HG, lots of contreversy surrounding its authencity, mainly because its HG license originates from Moldova, (where ppl think licenses can just be bought cuz of corruption)
Asia Pharma is definitely UGL. Over Hyped to seem like a true HG.
Schering is the best for Test E (2nd to galenika IMO), IF you can get the real deal. thats all

 

[kpaulson]

Those are some of the controversial rumours surrounding Balkan pharma. That the license is easily bought and therefore doesn't mean anything. I am not sure about that claim and can't say much about it, but IMHO Balkan gear is one of the most potent gear I've tried and I actually think its overdosed (only tried test e and test p) BUT, it was also the most fucking painful gear EVER! I was sore for about 3-5 days after jabs but I grew like a mofo and the water retention came on very quickly, which led me to believe its overdosed. But just my opinion on it take it for what it's worth. Sciroxx is also a UGL and I guess quality ranges from batch to batch I guess. The only experience I have with sciroxx is with their prop and it was relatively less painful as compared to Balkan pharma and much easier to pin (very smooth). It's hard to find a good source but if you do enough research online, you're bound to find one. Cheers.

 

[MANWHORE]

Yes, this is what I figured.. Well, as far as the cleanliness
goes with Human Grade labs...
Basically, my shit was just as good as Human Grade
and so are many other UG labs.. As far as cleanliness goes that is..
We just didn't or don't have the licenses but we had higher %
so I guess that would mean higher quality

Now the thing I don't get is, that if all powders or most come from
same places, then why would a Pharm Grade company have
the same companies that make UG labs 99%, make them
only 98% or less?
Why wouldn't they just go with the same 99+% that UG uses?

I always bought sterile vials and just de-crimped old and crimped
new colored tops on when finished putting in the solution

I also used 1%BA and UpJohn and others use .5%
I always let mine site for a week before using.. Sometimes
3-4 days but liked to have it sit a week.

 

[kpaulson]

Now the thing I don't get is, that if all powders or most come from
same places, then why would a Pharm Grade company have
the same companies that make UG labs 99%, make them
only 98% or less?
Why wouldn't they just go with the same 99+% that UG uses?


sorry mate i don't get your question, you mind rephrasing it?


and higher dosages, does not necessarily mean higher quality.. quality in short refers to the,
1) sterility of the product
2) within range of stated dosage (not overdosed, not underdosed)

one of the reasons why HG labs don't make brews with high dosages is because of the high amounts of solvent involved. BB, BA, EO, guaiacol etc etc. lets take a brew of test prop at 200mg/ml for example, you would need to go 50/50- with EO if you're lucky, or maybe 100% EO. if you're not so lucky, you would even require guaiacol. that being said, these "super solvents" are not approved for human use (if i remember correctly) and no studies have been done to show what effects these could have on our bodies in the long term!

well i understand that your brew is as good as HG as far as you're concerned, but thats because you're brewing for yourself, and you'd definitely take utmost precautions. lets assume that a normal UG operator has to brew hundreds if not thousands of vials per week. would they take things slowly and make sure every single vial is clean and sterile? i highly doubt so mate.. in no way am i referring to all those UG operators or homebrewers out there. there ARE excellent homebrewers, as well as UG labs out there! but the difference between them and HG is that you know that for HG products, you are DEFINITELY getting what you pay for, with maximum sterility. while with UG products, the batches they make might differ from batch to batch and i have heard of some UG labs who start off really well with accurately dosed products, in a few months start selling bunk oil and then just shut down completely. what i feel is that if you are really getting genuine Human Grade, go for it. you can never go wrong. with Ug, its a risk you have to take..

 

[MANWHORE]

@Kpaulson ..

I was just saying a 99% powder would be considered
higher quality than a 98% powder. higher grade? higher
quality? right?
As far as the sterility goes, yes, I agree
with you on UG labs getting greedy but here is another concern
of mine:

HG labels are counterfeited alot and sometimes very good
products, but some are just bunk, and this is just as bad..
sometimes worse than having to trust a UG source.

Let's face it, the labels are easy to fake.
People counterfeit money pretty damn good,
so a label isn't very hard to do.

That thing Asia has going with the label checker or serial
number check sounds like a good thing.

I guess it all comes down to getting feed-back from
those who order, which is basically what I always like to do.

I really like the AMG list, but I am wondering
if all those products in the HG section are GTG.

Maybe they aren't all legit HG but AMG is supposed to
be a solid source .. been around for a long time with orals
so I guess they are worth looking into.

The Tren on that HG list is the one that threw me off.

Mao was selling HG Test 250 amps for $3ea .. No more on his list
I don't think .. Well not last I got the list.

I keep thinking about that Galenika Test

 

[kpaulson]

I agree with u mate. But LOL! Galenika is the shit. I suggest of you can get some legit ones, stock up!!!! But like you said there are many fakes floating around. So beware!

 

[kpaulson]

As for the powders, I assume that it is harder to get 99% or more for it, moreover the quality of the powder affects the dosage of oil at the end but let's say the powder was 95% purity instead of 99%, the companies might be able to add more powder to the brew, to the point where it is still doses as the stated dose( example 250mg for test e) u get what I mean mate? So the purity of the powder isn't that big a concern IMO. But I may be wrong!

 

[MANWHORE]

As for the powders, I assume that it is harder to get 99% or more for it, moreover the quality of the powder affects the dosage of oil at the end but let's say the powder was 95% purity instead of 99%, the companies might be able to add more powder to the brew, to the point where it is still doses as the stated dose( example 250mg for test e) u get what I mean mate? So the purity of the powder isn't that big a concern IMO. But I may be wrong!

I used to see guys writing to just use more mg of a lower % powder
to get the same results, but I thought it didn't work like that... Maybe
it does ..