Ventrogluteal Inj.?

[powerlifter101]

I have searched through countless forums and am reading mixed results as to the actual location to inject in the Ventroglute. One forum clearly posts pictures of someone injecting into tensor fascia latae muscle so I did that stupidly myself and it wasn't painful but i think i was lucky. At Ironden forums they show a guy injecting into what seems to me as the fatty area approx. 2" directly above greater trochanter. From what iv'e gathered this seems to be the right spot but it doesn't even seem like a muscle there. I like being able to flex where im about to inj into. kinda reassuring i guess. I have other inj. spots but would love to add another two fresh ones especially one that can hold up to 3mls of fluid.
So having to inject again today and am not exactly confident as to where the site is. Any help or photos would be much appreciated. I already searched google but they all give directions on how to inject on others. Thnks.

 

[Furious George]

you can flex it. stand on your left leg and raise your right knee up. Look on your left side(with your pants off of course) right above where your pocket would be, will be a muscle thats not much bigger than a golf ball. Thats it. relax it and insert the pin atleast 1" into it.

 

[jlcues]

The other thing you can do is put your hand in between you trochanter and crest of your pelvis and shift your weight from one leg to the other. You;'ll feel it flex.

 

[Dr JIM]

One word of caution about gluteus medius injections, it's somewhat under developed unless you do hip extension exercises such as: squats, leg presses or bent knee dead lifts, or you've been a couch potato for a while. The iliac crest may actually be pinned which can be quite painful (especially if a one and a half inch needle is used) or fatty tissue may be injected rather than muscle.

 

[powerlifter101]

Ok thank you definitely can see and feel it when standing on left like you said. Just Inj. there very painless. Ususally use inch an half except with delts where i use an inch pin. the delts are the smallest muscle i feel comfortable inj. into.. thanks again guys

 

[Dr JIM]

Use a one inch needle mate

 

[tiger13]

I have searched through countless forums and am reading mixed results as to the actual location to inject in the Ventroglute. One forum clearly posts pictures of someone injecting into tensor fascia latae muscle so I did that stupidly myself and it wasn't painful but i think i was lucky. At Ironden forums they show a guy injecting into what seems to me as the fatty area approx. 2" directly above greater trochanter. From what iv'e gathered this seems to be the right spot but it doesn't even seem like a muscle there. I like being able to flex where im about to inj into. kinda reassuring i guess. I have other inj. spots but would love to add another two fresh ones especially one that can hold up to 3mls of fluid.
So having to inject again today and am not exactly confident as to where the site is. Any help or photos would be much appreciated. I already searched google but they all give directions on how to inject on others. Thnks.

I think many guides are directing people to inject into the TFL. I can make my TFL pop out easy, the GM not so much. Last week I injected into my left and right TFL thinking it was the GM and holy sh!t! My hips, flexors, glute, everything tightened up. Sure virgin site, but this was ridiculous.

Looking at medical texts and body cutaways --

http://pinnaclept.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/lathipmuscles.jpg
Frost Bites: My Hips Don't Lie
http://www.usi.edu/science/biology/mkhopper/hopper/BIOL2401/LABUNIT2/01LabWeek8Ex1112/Lateral%20Thigh.JPG

I think the sweet spot is a little harder to find than I expected.

I suppose at this point I've already jabbed myself experimenting, worst that can happen is another few days of ache/stiffness?

 

[Dr JIM]

The term "ventroglute" is some what of a misnomer since it implies the "glutes" are ANTERIOR structures anatomically. The only anterior (ventral, top) structure, which comprises the gluteal muscles, yet which lies primarily LATERAL in the iliac fossa is THE GLUTEUS MEDIUS! TLF, damn mate bet that hurt!

 

[Dr JIM]

There continues to be confusion (which is definitely understandable) about "ventro-gluteal" injections. Maybe I can clarify some of the confusion with relevant anatomy with a few pics and dialogue.

First) There is no "ventrogleteal" muscle
Second) The buttocks are comprised of the three muscles which include the gluteus maximus, gluteus medius and the gluteus minimi
Third) The muscles have three primary attachments, they all attach to the iliac crest and the greater trochanter of the femur with the gluteus maximus also attaching to portions of the sacrum
Fourth) Almost all of the neurovascular lie near the SACRUM
Fifth) The furthest lateral attachment is the gluteus medius were it runs from the greater trochanter to the iliac wing
SIXTH) There is NO GLUTEAL MUSCLE WHICH IS VENTRAL (ANTERIOR)

Pics to follow

 

[Dr JIM]

Look at the anatomy in picture number FOUR and superimpose that image onto those of the real time images. Pic three is a female whom possesses the muscular development for a TENSOR FASCIA LATA (at it's muscular insertion of the ASIS) INJECTION. The underdeveloped fellas in pics one and two should not be using "ventroglute" injections, as they are described in most forums. You need muscle for an IM injection and theirs is missing, and they are in the majority. In fact I suspect probably less than 5% of folks have a TFL large (thick) enough to support these forms of injections, and doing so in that circumstance ensures the pinning of fat, fascial planes, and very little muscle, OUCH! Incidentally, this injection is NOT used in medicine at all because of the few patients which would quality as appropriate candidates. Most mates whom work out on a regular basis CAN use the lateral portion of the gluteus medius as an alternative site however, (but stay above the lateral concavity of the hip region where the greater trochanter forms the apex). Hope this helps.
Best

 

[tiger13]

DR JIM - Thank you! This helps a ton.

I am guessing that I hit my TFL because the pain and ache radiating out was widespread - felt like the whole hip area front, back, side was tight. Based on my understanding of the TFL's role that seems to fit. 1.5" buried to the hilt. Freaked out that I was going to hit bone but nope.

There are a lot of guys raving about it, I can only assume then that either:

(a) they are much larger and more developed than me I am a mere 6'1 192lbs and 10-12% bf.
or
(b) the pain is indeed due to the virgin site and if I stretch it out with gradually increasing doses, it will get used to it like the other spots.

Thanks again - T

 

[foreveryoung]

Look at the anatomy in picture number FOUR and superimpose that image onto those of the real time images. Pic three is a female whom possesses the muscular development for a TENSOR FASCIA LATA (at it's muscular insertion of the ASIS) INJECTION. The underdeveloped fellas in pics one and two should not be using "ventroglute" injections, as they are described in most forums. You need muscle for an IM injection and theirs is missing, and they are in the majority. In fact I suspect probably less than 5% of folks have a TFL large (thick) enough to support these forms of injections, and doing so in that circumstance ensures the pinning of fat, fascial planes, and very little muscle, OUCH! Incidentally, this injection is NOT used in medicine at all because of the few patients which would quality as appropriate candidates. Most mates whom work out on a regular basis CAN use the lateral portion of the gluteus medius as an alternative site however, (but stay above the lateral concavity of the hip region where the greater trochanter forms the apex). Hope this helps.
Best

thanks for this, learned something new today

 

[Dr JIM]

T13
I you don't have the development, as that fine specimen does, use another site mate, since there are so many to chose from. Incidentally, your post compelled me to investigate these injections a little further, and much to my surprise a few forums suggested a TFL injection was a "ventroglute" injection. However most described this pinning as using the G.M. at it's MOST ANTERIOR AND LATERAL INSERTION just inferior, (below) the TFL, (as do my BB patients because of it's easy access).

 

[foreveryoung]

in my younger days I actually did a "forearm" injection a few times, surprisingly not that big a deal and stayed at 1cc max and a short needle (the small muscle on the top of the forearm directly in front of the elbow )

 

[Dr JIM]

I believe ya mate, why I've "shrunk'' a lot also since my glory days, lol!

 

[Evom1]

This may be 6 years old but I'm going to bump it since Jim posted some really great info, and I've been trying to find the ventro glute and everything I see points to the tfl

 

[Dthcore]

Solid thread, been wanting to inject Ventro but had a bad feeling about everything I was seeing online. 85% explanation has been injecting TFL

 

[Bumpygooch]

Welp, looks like I’ve been injecting into my glut max this whole time, not a bad thing, I guess. Thanks for the pics.

 

[takkix]

I inject ventrogluteal daily. For me it always was pretty easy as a male, a fine body fat percentage and i'm able to flex my gluteus medius and able to easily see and feel the muscle. With muscle feeling and a good body fat percentage, at least for me, it is extremely easy

I think on this picture you are also able to spot the gluteus medius pretty good:
((Just looked for a random bodybuilding picture with a good angle))

The picture above would be the hochstetter injection method. I'm usually aiming more for the second finger in the picture(counting from left). I feel more comfortable being closer to the glutes than that going so much to the right