foreveryoung
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generally speaking, if estrogen is in control, libido isn't necessary for a pde5i to make an erection
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generally speaking, if estrogen is in control, libido isn't necessary for a pde5i to make an erection
Even with zero libido cialis or viagara helps me rise to the occasion. I definetly think your issue could be a mental libido (desire) factor as the body and mind are connected.
There could be some physical issue too if the pde's arent producing wood.
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I dont know about the estrogen part but I agree with the second part.
Yeah, I feel you, but maybe I can find that balance at the higher level. I've decided to stay away for the arimidex for now. I took .25mg once today and once three days ago and while libido and erections have had glimmers of vast improvement, my joints are bothering me a little more than usual. Not sure if psychosomatic or what, but I really can't afford to deal with more joint issues than I already have.
I will be doing some experimentation at high injection frequencies and higher dosages than I am used to, to try and dial myself in somewhere decent.
foreveryoung
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seems like you have your answer there, but unfortunately in the hormone game nothing comes with only one effect, so sometimes a bad side effect is enough to stop you from achieving what your system needs to achieve the good effect you want
when I saw "glimmers of" improvement at .25mg, I tried 1mg, and saw some extreme morning wood the next day
raising test dose never eliminates the need for ai in my experience
Hope it works for you.
As an FYI my endo prescribed me arimidex and I will be starting it next week. The dosing protocol he recommended was half tablet on the evening of the injection and another half tablet the next evening.
I will be doing baseline estrogen labs this weekend before starting it.
I ordered a few things today that I am going to play around with:
T3
Maca
The T3 is a result of reading some of Thierry's stuff over on ATM. The research that he has done on erections is pretty amazing. He's helped a lot of people over there using PDE5-i's, alpha-blockers, and T3. Worth a shot, as I've never tried it. For record: last thyroid labs on 50 mcg per day of T4 showed me at:
TSH = 1.3
FT3 = 2.7 (1.8-4.2)
FT4 = 1.2 (.74-1.5)
I discontinued the synthroid after that (again) and the labs came back about the same. I can't find them now, but I remember being satisfied with them. Historically (looking at labs) my T3 levels are usually in the bottom half of the reference range.
The maca = why not? Never tried it.
One thing I realized I have not done through.this.entire.process is just stop doing anything and wait. So that's what I'm going to do first. I'm just going to not do a damn thing for a few weeks until either I find some sort of feel good zone. Once I do, I'll play around from there. If I don't find one, then I'll start toying with the T3.
I also looked back over my labs and just wanted to compare from when things were good, to now...also interesting that these were ALL done in October:
Oct. 2012 (ED) - This was when I was fucking around with a low dosage (20mg eod) with an hcg shot thrown in here and there instead.
TT - 579 (292-1052)
FT - 12.2 (4.8- 25)
SHBG - 34
E2 - 36 (<=63)
Oct. 2011 (no ED) - notes read I was doing EOD dosing at 98-112 mg per week based on...nothing really
TT - 979 (300-1080)
FT - 231 (47-244)
SHBG - 26 (11-80)
E2 - 40 (12-41)
Oct. 2010 (no ED) - notes read I was on 100-112mg t cyp weekly...I didn't note dosing protocol, but I recall it being twice weekly
TT - 909 (300-1080)
FT - 193 (47-244)
SHBG - 32 (11-80)
E2 - 62 (12-41)
Questions? Comments? Dirty Jokes?
T3
Maca
The T3 is a result of reading some of Thierry's stuff over on ATM. The research that he has done on erections is pretty amazing. He's helped a lot of people over there using PDE5-i's, alpha-blockers, and T3. Worth a shot, as I've never tried it. For record: last thyroid labs on 50 mcg per day of T4 showed me at:
TSH = 1.3
FT3 = 2.7 (1.8-4.2)
FT4 = 1.2 (.74-1.5)
I discontinued the synthroid after that (again) and the labs came back about the same. I can't find them now, but I remember being satisfied with them. Historically (looking at labs) my T3 levels are usually in the bottom half of the reference range.
The maca = why not? Never tried it.
One thing I realized I have not done through.this.entire.process is just stop doing anything and wait. So that's what I'm going to do first. I'm just going to not do a damn thing for a few weeks until either I find some sort of feel good zone. Once I do, I'll play around from there. If I don't find one, then I'll start toying with the T3.
I also looked back over my labs and just wanted to compare from when things were good, to now...also interesting that these were ALL done in October:
Oct. 2012 (ED) - This was when I was fucking around with a low dosage (20mg eod) with an hcg shot thrown in here and there instead.
TT - 579 (292-1052)
FT - 12.2 (4.8- 25)
SHBG - 34
E2 - 36 (<=63)
Oct. 2011 (no ED) - notes read I was doing EOD dosing at 98-112 mg per week based on...nothing really
TT - 979 (300-1080)
FT - 231 (47-244)
SHBG - 26 (11-80)
E2 - 40 (12-41)
Oct. 2010 (no ED) - notes read I was on 100-112mg t cyp weekly...I didn't note dosing protocol, but I recall it being twice weekly
TT - 909 (300-1080)
FT - 193 (47-244)
SHBG - 32 (11-80)
E2 - 62 (12-41)
Questions? Comments? Dirty Jokes?
Thats the pattern I remember for you and it's why I think you need more T but not at the dose that put you in the 900s. Aim for the 800s.
What explanation, if any, does your endo have for the depression response you get when you inject T?
I think giving the T3 a shot is a good idea cubbie. Like I said earlier in the thread, I think thyroid is huge for libido and Ed. Plus you have the nodules, like I do, and there's plenty of evidence out there that even "non functioning" nodules can affect your thyroid. I too have read Tierry stuff over there and he's really onto something IMO. The good thing about T3 as well is you'll know fairly soon if it will help and you can discontinue with little to no shutdown if it isn't helping. Good luck.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Have you tried using any alpha blockers with the pde5-i? Or the use of T3? Are you taking anything right now for your thyroid?
I've been playing around with tamsulisin and cialis.. Def has a noticeable effect. I have a hard time with oral meds in general because of my celiac disease so have to dose very low but it definitely works.. Even for me which is saying something lol(I also have chrinic prostatitis which can pretty much kill Any hint of libido/erection) I'm not currently on any T3; however I have some old cytomel lying around I've been thinking of hopping back on; I remember when I was on it a year ago it had a positive effect on me. My endo had me on/off it about 3 times, so was hard to ascertain long term benefits, but it definitely made me feel more "normal".
I've dealt with prostatitis as well....and still do to some extent. When it was REALLY bad it didn't have any effect on my libido/erections though. Weird.
Is it actually painful? Have you gotten the pelvic floor massage?
Ya dude it sucks. Extremely painful on certain days. Yes I actually spent a whole 6 months at therapy which was somewhat helpful but I could only afford to go twice per week. It's a weird condition. Some speculate it's hormonal related, autoimmune, etc but when it gets truly chronic it can totally f up your life. I think for me it's related to my autoimmune/hormonal issues for sure. Diet really is big too. Most days when I can sit for more than an hour at a time without feeling like my stomach to my knees are on fire I consider a blessing.
See, my prostatis never manifested as pain. Mainly just a tightness and need to urinate frequently and dribble etc.
Yeah. I guess theres varying degrees of it. Yours probably never got chronic. If your interested do some research on chronic pelvic pain syndrome. Some people begin with prostatitis, others not. Yours probably really was prostatits to begin wit and chances are you took an antibiotic that knocked it out. What im talking about is a whole other animal entirely.
Well, trying out that Maca + 12.5mg iodine per day and on my 4th day without TRT my libido is very high. Erections are still so, so. Of course, being impatient I've got too many variables going on so I can't tell what is doing what. Not sure if I should drop one/all or just keep doing what I'm doing and see what happens. Curious as to the best timing for doing a T shot.
