ED Issues Continue

[foreveryoung]

Well, trying out that Maca + 12.5mg iodine per day and on my 4th day without TRT my libido is very high. Erections are still so, so. Of course, being impatient I've got too many variables going on so I can't tell what is doing what. Not sure if I should drop one/all or just keep doing what I'm doing and see what happens. Curious as to the best timing for doing a T shot.

best timing for me seems to be at least every 6 days, I go 7 days sometimes but I start to notice that the 7th day is not as good, I could probably think that every 4 days might be better with the right dosage, but right now I am going to go with every 6 days for convenience reasons

 

[Tyler81]

Well, trying out that Maca + 12.5mg iodine per day and on my 4th day without TRT my libido is very high. Erections are still so, so. Of course, being impatient I've got too many variables going on so I can't tell what is doing what. Not sure if I should drop one/all or just keep doing what I'm doing and see what happens. Curious as to the best timing for doing a T shot.

What do you mean your "4th day" without TRT

If you are injecting weekly how that does make sense....

 

[Tyler81]

best timing for me seems to be at least every 6 days, I go 7 days sometimes but I start to notice that the 7th day is not as good, I could probably think that every 4 days might be better with the right dosage, but right now I am going to go with every 6 days for convenience reasons

You need to inject every 6 days at 250mg

I agree with you that I feel run down on the seventh day but I am only injecting 80ish mg per week. I think at 80mg every six days seems about right but im gonna stick to every 7 days. I am debating whether I should go back upto 100mg but my script it for 80 now that I told my doctor im doing 80 so i have to stick to it for the next six months. He prescribed exactly 80 / wk

So one vial = 5ml should last me 12 weeks.

 

[CubbieBlue]

What do you mean your "4th day" without TRT

If you are injecting weekly how that does make sense....

I've actually been injecting every other day. Last week I just said fuck it and stopped. This is actually the 5th day since then - I didn't update my log correctly.

My libido is through the roof right now...haven't felt this way...in I can't even remember. Probably since I was like 18. So fucking weird. And of course I had literally just called the doctor today to re-schedule all the physiologic ED tests because I was starting to believe that it HAD to be physiologic - and now I can't stop jacking off.

So...an ED that comes and goes and ranges from COMPLETE and total ED (like no matter what I do I can't get a reaction out of it) to throw a bunch of random supplements at it (maca, iodine, magnesium), screw up my TRT schedule and dosing, and I can work it up to 95% strength with enough time. With a libido that is either ZERO or pedal to the metal to boot.

Jesus Christ.

 

[foreveryoung]

You need to inject every 6 days at 250mg

I agree with you that I feel run down on the seventh day but I am only injecting 80ish mg per week. I think at 80mg every six days seems about right but im gonna stick to every 7 days. I am debating whether I should go back upto 100mg but my script it for 80 now that I told my doctor im doing 80 so i have to stick to it for the next six months. He prescribed exactly 80 / wk

So one vial = 5ml should last me 12 weeks.

I don't think the fact that I am injecting 250mg is the issue, it is the fact that test levels are dropping quite a bit by the 7th day no matter what dosage you are using, it is quite noticeable by the 7th day, I feel much better the first 5 days after the injection. I probably should split it up into 125mg injections every 3 days or something like that, I just find it hard to find the time and motivation to inject that often lately (in the past years ago I even used to do every day injections, it does get psychologically tedious though after a while, and the reliance on injecting just to "survive" health wise does get to be a psychological burden too when you think about it too much)..... so for now I am going to stick with the every 6 days thing I think

 

[Tyler81]

WTF

Well, if you havent injected in 5 days and your libido is through the roof.... maybe you should start injecting weekly again. The eod injects could be what are causing the problems. Inject less weekly.

I seriously think 'less is more' can solve alot of shit with TRT.

Obviously keep taking the random supps if you want too

I've actually been injecting every other day. Last week I just said fuck it and stopped. This is actually the 5th day since then - I didn't update my log correctly.

My libido is through the roof right now...haven't felt this way...in I can't even remember. Probably since I was like 18. So fucking weird. And of course I had literally just called the doctor today to re-schedule all the physiologic ED tests because I was starting to believe that it HAD to be physiologic - and now I can't stop jacking off.

So...an ED that comes and goes and ranges from COMPLETE and total ED (like no matter what I do I can't get a reaction out of it) to throw a bunch of random supplements at it (maca, iodine, magnesium), screw up my TRT schedule and dosing, and I can work it up to 95% strength with enough time. With a libido that is either ZERO or pedal to the metal to boot.

Jesus Christ.

 

[Tyler81]

I don't think the fact that I am injecting 250mg is the issue, it is the fact that test levels are dropping quite a bit by the 7th day no matter what dosage you are using, it is quite noticeable by the 7th day, I feel much better the first 5 days after the injection. I probably should split it up into 125mg injections every 3 days or something like that, I just find it hard to find the time and motivation to inject that often lately (in the past years ago I even used to do every day injections, it does get psychologically tedious though after a while, and the reliance on injecting just to "survive" health wise does get to be a psychological burden too when you think about it too much)..... so for now I am going to stick with the every 6 days thing I think

Wouldnt you have reached a steady state by now where your day 7 should feel pretty smooth?

 

[foreveryoung]

Wouldnt you have reached a steady state by now where your day 7 should feel pretty smooth?

guess not, maybe a steady state of a "low" threshold, but I still feel best for the first 4 or 5 days after each inject... in other words day 7 isn't all that bad, so obviously test levels are still ok by then, but feel much better overall for the first 4 or 5 days, then I can notice a drop off a bit, it is pretty consistent now

 

[LW64]

Wouldnt you have reached a steady state by now where your day 7 should feel pretty smooth?

Injecting 250 fucking mg of T a week? Automatic roller-coaster ride. Steady state or not.

 

[LW64]

I've actually been injecting every other day. Last week I just said fuck it and stopped. This is actually the 5th day since then - I didn't update my log correctly.

My libido is through the roof right now...haven't felt this way...in I can't even remember. Probably since I was like 18. So fucking weird. And of course I had literally just called the doctor today to re-schedule all the physiologic ED tests because I was starting to believe that it HAD to be physiologic - and now I can't stop jacking off.

So...an ED that comes and goes and ranges from COMPLETE and total ED (like no matter what I do I can't get a reaction out of it) to throw a bunch of random supplements at it (maca, iodine, magnesium), screw up my TRT schedule and dosing, and I can work it up to 95% strength with enough time. With a libido that is either ZERO or pedal to the metal to boot.

Jesus Christ.

Unbelievable!

No way to sift through that pile and figure out what's helping/hurting you.

 

[foreveryoung]

Injecting 250 fucking mg of T a week? Automatic roller-coaster ride. Steady state or not.

no, you are wrong, no "roller coaster ride", I feel really good overall, I was only stating that I noticed a slight drop after 5 days, but not a roller coaster by any means

 

[CubbieBlue]

Unbelievable!

No way to sift through that pile and figure out what's helping/hurting you.

Sure there is. Today dropped the maca. Had that ambient libido again today...not as intense as yesterday, but definitely there. Easy enough erection later on.

I'm going to give it a few more days until morning wood ceases and then try a T shot and see what happens. If this persists, my thought is that the iodine was a big factor and that Bax and the other thyroid guys (most espousing this on T-Nation) are onto something. To test, I can drop the iodine.

Regardless, I'd like to find a protocol where I can use T+hCG and maintain a very low E2. It might end up being something like I do T for a few weeks, then hCG mono for a few weeks, then coast for a week or two, then repeat. This might also give my body a chance to get a chance to be natural (albeit at a repressed level) on a regular basis.

 

[LW64]

no, you are wrong, no "roller coaster ride", I feel really good overall, I was only stating that I noticed a slight drop after 5 days, but not a roller coaster by any means

There's exceptions to every rule, FY.

 

[LW64]

Regardless, I'd like to find a protocol where I can use T+hCG and maintain a very low E2. It might end up being something like I do T for a few weeks, then hCG mono for a few weeks, then coast for a week or two, then repeat. This might also give my body a chance to get a chance to be natural (albeit at a repressed level) on a regular basis.

Alternate between eod T with some HCG every now and then (the protocol I suggested to you) and IM T only. HCG only is usually not a low-E2 protocol, but you dont seem to have an issue, so maybe include that in the rotation. I do this too and as long as I dont stay on HCG only for more than a month, E2 does not become a problem.

 

[foreveryoung]

There's exceptions to every rule, FY.

agreed, but I just wanted to make it clear that I am not on a roller coaster ride, as that is something I have a lot of experience with in the past, and my current protocol is very far from that

 

[Tyler81]

I'm going to give it a few more days until morning wood ceases and then try a T shot and see what happens. If this persists, my thought is that the iodine was a big factor and that Bax and the other thyroid guys (most espousing this on T-Nation) are onto something. To test, I can drop the iodine.

This might also give my body a chance to get a chance to be natural (albeit at a repressed level) on a regular basis.

What you said at the end is interesting. About repressing the body on a regular basis. It could work to resensitize the effects of TRT. But i have no fucking clue what im talking about to be honest.

Do you really think iodine brought back your libido?

I am always open to new things and my thyroid has gone up since TRT.

 

[Tyler81]

12.5mg iodine when? morning or evening? with or without food? in one dose?

Thanks

 

[foreveryoung]

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Regardless, I'd like to find a protocol where I can use T+hCG and maintain a very low E2. It might end up being something like I do T for a few weeks, then hCG mono for a few weeks, then coast for a week or two, then repeat. This might also give my body a chance to get a chance to be natural (albeit at a repressed level) on a regular basis.

personally I think this is a bad idea and a theory that will cause way more problems than good.... I am more and more of the theory that hormonally the body does not like change, and when things are changing often it is always a system that is unsettled which I think can be an unhealthy state.... too much "tinkering" can be bad, smoothness needs to be a goal with maybe gentle adjustments if really needed leading to as steady of a hormonal situation as possible eg. I feel better now on the same protocol I have been on for months, trying not to change, things become even and steady, the body adjusts and things start to work well within the protocol (if it is a good protocol)

 

[CubbieBlue]

12.5mg iodine when? morning or evening? with or without food? in one dose?

Thanks

I've been putting one or two drops in my coffee in the morning.

 

[LW64]

I've been putting one or two drops in my coffee in the morning.

Is this the first time you've supplemented with iodine?