AAS drug test

[Dr JIM]

Drug screens are generally based on the premise certain substances adversely ALTER the ABILITY of an employee to PERFORM particular functions of a predetermined duty!

Thus in all but the rarest of circumstances (sports) the substances being screened decrease coordination, wakefulness, or cogent thought etc. Lastly the screening for illicit drugs categories (AAS, HTN meds, Benzos, Amps etc) using urinalysis is relatively inexpensive ranging between $10-20 per test, However confirmation of a positive "drug screen" especially if the determination of "intoxicating levels" are desired, can be quite expensive.

The breakdown estimate;

Drug category via UA
$10-20

Drug qualification "which Benzo or downer"
--- $150-300

Drug Quantification; (how much Benzo)
> $200.00

The latter two tests mandate gas chromatography.

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

There is another test being used more frequently recently which is called "semi quantification". When ordered the analysis will reveal whether a level is above or below a certain threshold.

For example the mate on the SF is GTG thread noted Lab Corp reported the TT > 1500ng/dl.

Clearly it's abnormally high and will mandate serial dilutions to determine an absolute quantitative value if desired, but for a price.

A considerable portion of the fees or charges is based on how the lab is "set up".

Meaning if said lab does hormonal assays routinely "batching samples" can lower the cost considerably especially compared to a lab that performs TT once a month.

 

[beezil]

There is another test being used more frequently recently which is called "semi quantification". When ordered the analysis will reveal whether a level is above or below a certain threshold.

For example the mate on the SF is GTG thread noted Lab Corp reported the TT > 1500ng/dl.

Clearly it's abnormally high and will mandate serial dilutions to determine an absolute quantitative value if desired, but for a price.

A considerable portion of the fees or charges is based on how the lab is "set up".

Meaning if said lab does hormonal assays routinely "batching samples" can lower the cost considerably especially compared to a lab that performs TT once a month.

don't forget hair samples.

depending on the security of the installation you're working in or within…

 

[Dr JIM]

I wouldn't work anywhere if I even suspect hair samples are needed, Those are highly secure positions, and are obtained to document "exposure alone" since hair analysis is a QUALITATIVE ASSAY only. (

Hair analysis is best and most frequently utilized as a means to determine if any exposure to an ILLICIT substance occured over a period of time). Yet it is not telling about HOW the "exposure" took place, which is very important when a determination is being made about an workers present or future employment contract, especially one with "union protections".

This becomes important to determine intoxication. For example some patients are using legitimate amphetamine analogs (Ritilan Aderall) or Benzo's (Valium, Ativan) for appropriately diagnosed disorders, but to determine whether said drug is altering the patients ability to perform a particular assigned task a QUANTITATIVE assay must be performed and hair is not acceptable for this purpose.

In that regard blood levels are optimal (but are "invasive" and require "informed consent") followed by urinalysis. However the reliability of the latter is highly variable and dependent upon the drugs half life, urinary concentration, the presence of other drugs shown to delay or retard absorption or excretion thru the GI or GU tract respectively.

jim

 

[tgrusso78]

I wouldn't work anywhere if I even suspect hair samples are needed, Those are highly secure positions, and are obtained to document "exposure alone" since hair analysis is a QUALITATIVE ASSAY only. (

Hair analysis is best and most frequently utilized as a means to determine if any exposure to an ILLICIT substance occured over a period of time). Yet it is not telling about HOW the "exposure" took place, which is very important when a determination is being made about an workers present or future employment contract, especially one with "union protections".

This becomes important to determine intoxication. For example some patients are using legitimate amphetamine analogs (Ritilan Aderall) or Benzo's (Valium, Ativan) for appropriately diagnosed disorders, but to determine whether said drug is altering the patients ability to perform a particular assigned task a QUANTITATIVE assay must be performed and hair is not acceptable for this purpose.

In that regard blood levels are optimal (but are "invasive" and require "informed consent") followed by urinalysis. However the reliability of the latter is highly variable and dependent upon the drugs half life, urinary concentration, the presence of other drugs shown to delay or retard absorption or excretion thru the GI or GU tract respectively.

jim

Government and the military aside, what if you use a drug where it is legal? Or as a US citizen, even abroad(or in international waters), is it illegal to use Scheduled substances? I'm fairly certain it's not, but IANAL.

If it isn't illegal, wouldn't a company open itself to a discrimination lawsuit if you could prove you were in fact in a location that allowed you to legally use a substance you were denied a job for testing positive for? I'm just thinking of a way to punish these bullshit companies who test.

 

[beezil]

I wouldn't work anywhere if I even suspect hair samples are needed, Those are highly secure positions, and are obtained to document "exposure alone" since hair analysis is a QUALITATIVE ASSAY only. (

Hair analysis is best and most frequently utilized as a means to determine if any exposure to an ILLICIT substance occured over a period of time). Yet it is not telling about HOW the "exposure" took place, which is very important when a determination is being made about an workers present or future employment contract, especially one with "union protections".

This becomes important to determine intoxication. For example some patients are using legitimate amphetamine analogs (Ritilan Aderall) or Benzo's (Valium, Ativan) for appropriately diagnosed disorders, but to determine whether said drug is altering the patients ability to perform a particular assigned task a QUANTITATIVE assay must be performed and hair is not acceptable for this purpose.

In that regard blood levels are optimal (but are "invasive" and require "informed consent") followed by urinalysis. However the reliability of the latter is highly variable and dependent upon the drugs half life, urinary concentration, the presence of other drugs shown to delay or retard absorption or excretion thru the GI or GU tract respectively.

jim

it is also an indicator for when and how much...a subject may have been exposed to various poisons, chemicals, or biological contagions.

however, as DrJ says... can be taken to extremes or out of context by private industry.

 

[beezil]

Government and the military aside, what if you use a drug where it is legal? Or as a US citizen, even abroad(or in international waters), is it illegal to use Scheduled substances? I'm fairly certain it's not, but IANAL.

If it isn't illegal, wouldn't a company open itself to a discrimination lawsuit if you could prove you were in fact in a location that allowed you to legally use a substance you were denied a job for testing positive for? I'm just thinking of a way to punish these bullshit companies who test.

If a company's policy and handbook outlines a criteria that you agree to... after hiring on...
The company is not discriminating.
The "drug free work place" is a perfect example of a program that employers can institute throughout their companies.
The obbjective is to help lower the company's BWC rates. As the stats show most Workers Comp claims and accidents are drug related.
This is rooted deeper than just the private industry. Its here to stay.
At the end of the day... PED's are an illegal scheduled substance.
If you are using them... why are you trying to punish the company you work for... if you are performing the illegal activity??

In addition, if an american citizen used an illegal substance in international waters... just be sure it is out of your system before being tested. or... You arent one of the final applicants for a 3 letter government agency ready to have a hair sample drawn.

Know the half lives of any chemical you cram in your body!!

 

[DieYoungStrong]

not to hijack.

is she competing in figure, fitness, or physique???

any supplements?? my wife does physique.

I'm not completely up to snuff on women's catagories, but it's not bodybuilding, or bikini, but I believe it's fitness where they do splits and shit? It must be physique i guess.

It's just a small show, it's her first. Our friend is a NPC bikini competitor, and trainer at our gym. She convinced the wife to do it.

She's not taking anything. I'd be supportive if she wanted to take some anavar or something eventually, but she doesn't need it now. My wife has the gift of insane genetics. She really has no idea how to train in the weightroom, but she looks like she's been training 10 years. She mostly swam until now. If she was 5-10, she would have been an olympian. She was only a few tenths off in freestyle at 5-4. I've been helping her in the weight room. Before she started dieting, she was at 11.9% bodyfat when initially tested 12 weeks out from the show. We waited until 8 weeks out to start her diet. THis is after 2 kids at age 28. She has great muscle bellies and is very vascular. She did 10 deadhang pullups our first day in the gym. She's learning how to pose and whatnot now. She's pretty miserable dieting so I don't if she'll want to do more shows after this. Her friend is trying to convince her to do the NPC show in July, and she's never been on stage yet.

it's pretty miserable when your wife is in better shape then you while eating ice cream at night. All the drugs in the world don't substitute for genetics. Her father is in his mid 50s and a ripped old guy. He's never touched a weight in his life, and he makes her bake him pies weekly when he comes to see his grandkids.

 

[tgrusso78]

If a company's policy and handbook outlines a criteria that you agree to... after hiring on...
The company is not discriminating.
The "drug free work place" is a perfect example of a program that employers can institute throughout their companies.
The obbjective is to help lower the company's BWC rates. As the stats show most Workers Comp claims and accidents are drug related.
This is rooted deeper than just the private industry. Its here to stay.
At the end of the day... PED's are an illegal scheduled substance.
If you are using them... why are you trying to punish the company you work for... if you are performing the illegal activity??

In addition, if an american citizen used an illegal substance in international waters... just be sure it is out of your system before being tested. or... You arent one of the final applicants for a 3 letter government agency ready to have a hair sample drawn.

Know the half lives of any chemical you cram in your body!!

Oh well, I'm fortunate enough to not need to work. I'd tell them to suck a cock if they wanted to test me. Still wish they didn't infringe on others rights to do what they want so long as they're not "under the influence" when they're clocked in.

 

[kalibudz]

I got friends on probation that get drug test all the time and they never test for AAS, I suspect the same for employment

 

[thinkanabolic2]

I highly doubt they will test for any AAS, its not on the standard 5 panel drug test, companies won't spend more than they have to unless your job is incredibly high profile.

 

[beezil]

I'm not completely up to snuff on women's catagories, but it's not bodybuilding, or bikini, but I believe it's fitness where they do splits and shit? It must be physique i guess.

It's just a small show, it's her first. Our friend is a NPC bikini competitor, and trainer at our gym. She convinced the wife to do it.

She's not taking anything. I'd be supportive if she wanted to take some anavar or something eventually, but she doesn't need it now. My wife has the gift of insane genetics. She really has no idea how to train in the weightroom, but she looks like she's been training 10 years. She mostly swam until now. If she was 5-10, she would have been an olympian. She was only a few tenths off in freestyle at 5-4. I've been helping her in the weight room. Before she started dieting, she was at 11.9% bodyfat when initially tested 12 weeks out from the show. We waited until 8 weeks out to start her diet. THis is after 2 kids at age 28. She has great muscle bellies and is very vascular. She did 10 deadhang pullups our first day in the gym. She's learning how to pose and whatnot now. She's pretty miserable dieting so I don't if she'll want to do more shows after this. Her friend is trying to convince her to do the NPC show in July, and she's never been on stage yet.

it's pretty miserable when your wife is in better shape then you while eating ice cream at night. All the drugs in the world don't substitute for genetics. Her father is in his mid 50s and a ripped old guy. He's never touched a weight in his life, and he makes her bake him pies weekly when he comes to see his grandkids.

I believe what you describing is a fitness competitor.

Bikini is more like the Tropicana Girls…

genetics are key.

find her a figure or physique competitor to train with, her learning curve will shorten immensely.

Figure can be done natural… but, to be competitive in physique PED's are about a necessity.

if she finds her way into chemicals… keep her away from all but… anavar, winni, turanibol, and primo. The rest will cause major virilization. The previously mentioned will as well, just less potential and easy to control.

 

[beezil]

I highly doubt they will test for any AAS, its not on the standard 5 panel drug test, companies won't spend more than they have to unless your job is incredibly high profile.

Your correct.

But, your missing the point.

Drug testing is here to stay.

The tests that are to expensive today… will not be tomorrow.

Look at the professional cyclists that are stripped of their medals from 5 or so years ago. The Evolution of drug testing is like anything else… advancing leaps and bounds. To better control and pacify the general public.

 

[Pericles]

I believe what you describing is a fitness competitor.

Bikini is more like the Tropicana Girls…

genetics are key.

find her a figure or physique competitor to train with, her learning curve will shorten immensely.

Figure can be done natural… but, to be competitive in physique PED's are about a necessity.

if she finds her way into chemicals… keep her away from all but… anavar, winni, turanibol, and primo. The rest will cause major virilization. The previously mentioned will as well, just less potential and easy to control.

I have worked w/ some women bbers' and I have seen serious virilization from winnie its aquas and a 100mg shot will put masculization into overdrive. The best gear in my view is of course moderate dosed var, Nolva (gets legs hardened up) primo, EQ had a gal on 100 mgs of EQ a week and she stayed very feminine (ironically, she was a lesbian...but she was as sweet as could be).

The one I did the winnie injections on was a HUGE bber: African American, almost 6 feet tall shredded at 195 lbs and extremely muscular (talking Kim Chizevsky muscular.) She always made me laugh, because here was this very scary looking gal (and she made her money by wrestling Schmoos....guys who like to be dominated). yet, she was terrified of needles[)]

 

[beezil]

I have worked w/ some women bbers' and I have seen serious virilization from winnie its aquas and a 100mg shot will put masculization into overdrive. The best gear in my view is of course moderate dosed var, Nolva (gets legs hardened up) primo, EQ had a gal on 100 mgs of EQ a week and she stayed very feminine (ironically, she was a lesbian...but she was as sweet as could be).

The one I did the winnie injections on was a HUGE bber: African American, almost 6 feet tall shredded at 195 lbs and extremely muscular (talking Kim Chizevsky muscular.) She always made me laugh, because here was this very scary looking gal (and she made her money by wrestling Schmoos....guys who like to be dominated). yet, she was terrified of needles[)]

my wife likes Tbol (tabs or liquid suspension) for muscle and size.

gets nothing from anavar (liquid or tabs)…

loves winni (suspension or tabs)… only experiences slight deepening of voice and a heightened sex drive.

no primo… she doesn't like needles. she just got some tabs… so we will see how that works out??

obviously she stays on the low side of doses…

 

[Pericles]

Oh, forgot, anadrol, believe it or not, but tabs must be cut in 4ths.

Beezil, talk her into letting you do the injection.

 

[beezil]

Oh, forgot, anadrol, believe it or not, but tabs must be cut in 4ths.

Beezil, talk her into letting you do the injection.

i have been trying. she's the type that has to make the decision rather than be pressured. if you know what i mean…

 

[Dr JIM]

FYI

Most of the virilizing effects of AAS observed in females are reversible. This was demonstrated in the 1970s studies involving (non-HIV infected females PC) with breast CA placed on either Masteron or Deca, (yep Deca was used) with or without conventional therapy.

(But wait DOC perhaps the results would be different if performed on female BB patients, NOT, since observation alone have proven that notion false)
I "chuckle" when I hear some suggest, only those studies performed on BB are applicable to BB, and everything else is conveniently yet foolishly, discarded.)

What was shown is the VOCAL CHANGES are often permanent which is believed secondary to "musculo-cartilagenous" alterations involving the "supraglottic" (the throat area just above the vocal cords) region

This "masculinization effect" is the reason AAS were discontinued in a considerable portion of female patients with breast CA, although the benefits achieved were often statistically significant.

jim

 

[biggerben69]

Oh, forgot, anadrol, believe it or not, but tabs must be cut in 4ths.

Beezil, talk her into letting you do the injection.

This^^^^I don't have lots of experience in this field.....but drol and chics seems to work well.

 

[beezil]

FYI

Most of the virilizing effects of AAS observed in females are reversible. This was demonstrated in the 1970s studies involving (non-HIV infected females PC) with breast CA placed on either Masteron or Deca, (yep Deca was used) with or without conventional therapy.

(But wait DOC perhaps the results would be different if performed on female BB patients, NOT, since observation alone have proven that notion false)
I "chuckle" when I hear some suggest, only those studies performed on BB are applicable to BB, and everything else is conveniently yet foolishly, discarded.)

What was shown is the VOCAL CHANGES are often permanent which is believed secondary to "musculo-cartilagenous" alterations involving the "supraglottic" (the throat area just above the vocal cords) region

This "masculinization effect" is the reason AAS were discontinued in a considerable portion of female patients with breast CA, although the benefits achieved were often statistically significant.

jim

absolutely DrJ.

I have experienced the same first hand with my wife. Ie.. Sexual organs swell while "on" but diminish when she cycles off. As well as, the additional hair or two that pop up on her chin… don't reappear when off.

There's a fine line that women need to understand… manage and balance on when choosing to use PED's.

For myself I enjoy the musculature physique she has built… and the enhanced sex drive.

The trick is to balance my libido with hers…