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Ah yes, the third stooge. Are you Curly, or Shemp?

Do you even realize what you just did? You insult me, saying I brag about my accomplishments, and then you immediately start bragging about your own accomplishments. You do understand, that only an idiot would would construct such an argument, yes?

I have admitted, that yes, I am somewhat arrogant sometimes. I know that, and I don't dispute that fact. However, a lot of blood, sweat, tears and delayed gratification were involved.

Mands, you were the one who said if I only ran deca for 6 weeks that it would be a waste. Remember? Well, I ran deca 400mgs per week, test 500 per week, and var 60 mgs per day. My weight went from 218 to 231. I then dropped the deca and var, added Mast 400 per week (3 weeks ago) and the loss of water weight put me at my current weight, 228. And, I am actually stronger than I was 3 weeks ago.

Thus, your speculation that I would lose my gains from deca are complete nonsense.

Finally, you must be an exceptional competitor, seeing as you are 255. What contests have you won?

Just so you can get your fact straight and anyone else that is interested in what you are talking about I will post up the thread you started(see below). I never said you would loose gains from Deca. What the hell are you talking about dude? If you can get past the bragging of course and read the thread that you started maybe it will refresh your memory. Make sure you get your facts straight before calling me out child. And yes you are a child when it comes to AAS no matter your age. After you read it again you can tell me you are sorry for misinforming the board that I gave you that bullshit information.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134336385

He wasn't bragging, he was making a point. He doesn't need to brag, his avatar speaks for itself. You know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it.

Let it go bro, you are letting your pent up anger and frustration cloud your judgment. It's getting the best of you. You have a lot to offer here, but it's getting lost in all this animosity.

Thank you! I was going to explian it to him myself. You did a much better job than I could.

mands
 
Just so you can get your fact straight and anyone else that is interested in what you are talking about I will post up the thread you started(see below). I never said you would loose gains from Deca. What the hell are you talking about dude? If you can get past the bragging of course and read the thread that you started maybe it will refresh your memory. Make sure you get your facts straight before calling me out child. And yes you are a child when it comes to AAS no matter your age. After you read it again you can tell me you are sorry for misinforming the board that I gave you that bullshit information.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134336385



Thank you! I was going to explian it to him myself. You did a much better job than I could.

mands

Mands. You are also posting only half of the info. I sent you a PM saying that I was going to go w/ 6 weeks, primarily on your advice. Are you going to post that, or only a half truth? I tend to only use deca at the beginning of my cycle, and only to get joint relief.

And to your boast of being 255, if I had a slin gut as big as yours, I would be 260. I have abs at 228.

Stop embarrassing yourself. We have all argued the horse to death. Their is nothing more to say, it is time for proof. You, Larry, and Moe should jump on this opportunity to expose me as a fraud. If so, I will leave. If not, you leave.
 
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Mands. You are also posting only half of the info. I sent you a PM saying that I was going to go w/ 6 weeks, primarily on your advice. Are you going to post that, or only a half truth? I tend to only use deca at the beginning of my cycle, and only to get joint relief.

And to your boast of being 255, if I had a slin gut as big as yours, I would be 260. I have abs at 228.

Stop embarrassing yourself. We have all argued the horse to death. Their is nothing more to say, it is time for proof. You, Larry, and Moe should jump on this opportunity to expose me as a fraud. If so, I will leave. If not, you leave.

Well go ahead troll and post up the PM's you sent me and I sent you! Please post them up... PLEASE!! You can show everyone on here what a liar and bullshitter you are.

I haven't ever taken slin and only recently starting running GH. I think I have a pretty good waistline for 255lbs. Here take a look buddy if you are so interested in what I look like. This was taking the other morning sorry a little blurry, but you get the idea. Catabolic I might add. If you want me to get in the gym and get all pumped and sweaty I will little guy. Show you what a swelled up big boss man looks like.

Why would I ever leave here that's just silly. I've been a member since 2004.

mands
 

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I haven't ever taken slin and only recently starting running GH. I think I have a pretty good waistline for 255lbs. Here take a look buddy if you are so interested in what I look like. This was taking the other morning sorry a little blurry, but you get the idea. Catabolic I might add. If you want me to get in the gym and get all pumped and sweaty I will little guy. Show you what a swelled up big boss man looks like.

There's not even a hint of a gut there, Mands. Great traps and delts too. You're a monster.

255lbs with abs and no bloat. Perfect example of someone who understands proper training and nutrition. Very nice, Mands! (no homo)
 
Mands. You are also posting only half of the info. I sent you a PM saying that I was going to go w/ 6 weeks, primarily on your advice. Are you going to post that, or only a half truth? I tend to only use deca at the beginning of my cycle, and only to get joint relief.

And to your boast of being 255, if I had a slin gut as big as yours, I would be 260. I have abs at 228.

Stop embarrassing yourself. We have all argued the horse to death. Their is nothing more to say, it is time for proof. You, Larry, and Moe should jump on this opportunity to expose me as a fraud. If so, I will leave. If not, you leave.

I'm sorry to say this but I just lost all respect for you PC. mands and Millard set the standard around here. They are always thoughtful and respectful. When it comes to physiques, they don't just talk the talk. Clearly, they walk the walk. I know I've cause my fair share of drama but I'm trying to learn from them.
 
PC
Post legitimate evidence of what "the bet" was about ALL FOUR of them, or perhaps you've forgotten what was included?

UNEQUIVOCAL PROOF of the following;

1) You were a competitive BB at the Professional level

2) you have a BlACK BELT in any form of MARTIAL ARTS
granted by a US based facility, rather than a mail order BB which anyone can acquire.

3) you have a PHD in anything but the advanced construction of Speedo's earned thru a US university.

4) you qualify as a "Trained Research Scientist"

Instead the only evidence I've seen is an extension of what you have done previously, defer, deliberate, deflect but NO ATTEMPTS have been made on your behalf to end this DRIVEL through being DIRECT and post ANYTHING which would/could refute the assumption your a fake, period.
 
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PC
Post legitimate evidence of what "the bet" was about ALL FOUR of them, or perhaps you've forgotten what was included?

UNEQUIVOCAL PROOF of the following;

1) You were a competitive BB at the Professional level I never, ever said I was a pro...were are you getting this idea? I won the light heavyweight division in the NPC 1994 Mr San Francisco, and the NPC Amatuer Iron Man in 1991. I qualified to go to nationals, but knew I did not have the genetics to do well on the bigger stage. Do not try and argue that I must be a pro for you to win this point, because I never said I was a pro. I said I won 2 NPC shows. I have pics, one of which is me holding my trophy. As stated before, pumping iron is close me and can verify that it is in fact me.

2) you have a BlACK BELT in any form of MARTIAL ARTS
granted by a US based facility, rather than a mail order BB which anyone can acquire.

My BB his a Japanese lineage. My original grappling coach (lets call him Rick, not counting High School wrestling fought in the UFC once, and also fought in Japan. Rick had a heavy wrestling background (BJJ has weak take downs) We also trained in Kyokushin Karate, a very hard core karate, not a watered down mall version w/ Shidokan Champ Matt Ives. The point is that Rick was pretty good on his feet. He trained at a dojo in Japan, and was given a black belt in Japanese JJ.

One day, a student came into our school, and lets say his name was Ray. Ray was a prodigy. It takes, and this is if you are fairly gifted t begin with, 2-3 years to get a blue belt in BJJ. Ray got his at 7 months, and then won the Pan Americans. I should also mention, we became affiliated w/ Renzo Gracie then.

Renzo gave Ray a purple belt at 14 months, and then Ray went down and won the purple belt division at the Pan Ams.That is an amazing record, as it usually takes at least 5 years to get a purple. I coached Ray through out this period, and also cornered him in his first 2 MMA fights. However, after winning the Pan Ams, Jay stated tapping me. He was 100% natural, and a lean 240 lbs. His jits was like water, amazing for such a big guy. Once he started beating me regularly, he would no longer take my advice. After his 1st MMA win, he drove all night to do another grappling tourney. I STRONGLY advised not to do so, but Ray did , and lost in the finals.

Rays' MMA career started well, 2-0, but like I said, he no longer took my advice. His 3rd MMA fight was w/ a guy coached by Frank Shamrock. I was prepping Jay, but when I started pushing him hard for conditioning, he started quitting. I basically refused to do the conditioning necessary to be a top MMA fighter. He dominated the first 2 rounds against Franks guy, but gassed in the 3rd and lost..

Ray eventually moved to Las Vegas, and trained w/ and tought at Randy Coutures school (he also had sex w/ Kim, Randys' then wife....of course Randy was cheating on her, big time). Ray left Randys' place and Matt Lindland started coaching Ray. Matt did not believe in scouting a fighter, and developing a game plan, he would just have Ray fight whoever as in front of him.

The problem is that Ray had a very solid striking background, but he did not have a lot of power (for a heavyweight). He lost many fights because he would get his bell rung, and then just square up and start brawling, and got knocked out. I always told him that when that happens you do one of two things: Recuperate w/ the jab, or clinch. Do not lose it, and square up and brawl.

It should be noted that Ray was fighting top guys, losing to UFC champ Jeff Monson and other contenders. If he had been coached properly he would have been a contender for sure.

Finally, Ray was doing way, way too much gear. In his last fight, which was on TV, he lost (brawling, again....the guy he fought was undefeated). I talked to ray after that fight (he struggled to make the 265 eight cut off) and asked "how much gear are you on? He said 3000 mgs a week. I told him "that is insanity, we established long ago that you are a fighter, not bb. All you need is 400 test, and some halotest 25 minutes before stepping into the ring, cage."

So, long story short, Rick gave Ray his BB, and then Ray gave me a bb. I also trained w/ Peter Allindo in boxing for 2 years. Peter was trained by Cus DaMatto, and in fact he and Mike Tyson were stable mates. I also trained w/ the #2 San Shou guy in the world (Cung Le is/was #1) w/ Mike Altman. I trained Muay Thai w/ Thai national champ Kru Pong. All in all I have 14 years of training. I work primarily standup noways.

I won the Renzo Gracie Combat Classic, NY state Grappling championship, The Eastern States, and was ranked #5 in the country by NAGA (North Am. Grappling association.). I would have been higher, but broke my leg in the first match of my last tourney that year (which I won) and still made it to the finals. I fought a really good Jodoka bb. I could not shoot due to my broken leg, but he tossed me once....I thought I could keep him on the mat, but he got up and out and won the match. I don't have that trophy, because I threw it in the garbage. I also took challenge matches for our school. They are basically done to settle disputes 2 guys get together, agree on the rules (no biting, eye gouging, or pulling hair....if one guy taps, the other guy stops immediately) You then sign waivers not to sue, and then you fight. I always respected guys who showed up. This was my original proposal to settle the dispute. I offered Jim and CBS....and also Mands....you are a big guy, surely you could whoop a little old man like me, yes big guy?) For the record, I am not advocating any violence.

I am out of time, but will work on the other 3 items when I have some time (probably not until tonight.) Real quick, my PhD is from Rockefeller College of Public Affairs. It is an R 1 research Uni You can call them and verify my claim.


3) you have a PHD in anything but the advanced construction of Speedo's earned thru a US university.

4) you qualify as a "Trained Research Scientist"

Instead the only evidence I've seen is an extension of what you have done previously, defer, deliberate, deflect but NO ATTEMPTS have been made on your behalf to end this DRIVEL through being DIRECT and post ANYTHING which would/could refute the assumption your a fake, period.
 
Well go ahead troll and post up the PM's you sent me and I sent you! Please post them up... PLEASE!! You can show everyone on here what a liar and bullshitter you are.

I haven't ever taken slin and only recently starting running GH. I think I have a pretty good waistline for 255lbs. Here take a look buddy if you are so interested in what I look like. This was taking the other morning sorry a little blurry, but you get the idea. Catabolic I might add. If you want me to get in the gym and get all pumped and sweaty I will little guy. Show you what a swelled up big boss man looks like.

Why would I ever leave here that's just silly. I've been a member since 2004.

mands

I will give you credit, you look great (no homo)
 
Also, and I know I am guilty as well, can we stop our pissing matches?

Seriously, we are shackling our ability to help new comers.

I know, I know, I have been a major pot stirrer, but can we please stop w/ the personal attacks?

Let us just stop, right now. Really,,,,we are like a bunch of 12 year olds. I admit, I may well be the worst offender, (9 year old) but is it possible to put all of this animosity behind us for good?

OK, everyone join hands: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9AH4vG2wA]Kumbaya My Lord - YouTube[/ame]
 
Pericles, with all due respect, your credibility has been irreversibly damaged in the absence of recent pics.

You still have these trophies, yes?

Write Pericles on a piece of paper put the paper next to a trophy and post it.

Do the same with some recent physique shots.

In summary: Pics or GTFO.
 
Oh, one last thing: I agree 100% that I am arrogant and self centered. I have 2 speeds, love, and war. My female pit bull is the same way.

However, I have flown in a team of mental health care professionals from Switzerland, and they are working on me around the clock. I think they have finally adjusted my meds properly[:o)]

I am going to pray for Jim, CBS, and Mands. I will pray that you have or find happiness. I will pray that good things happen to you 3. I will pray to take our dispute, and turn it over to God. If we step back, we will see that we all have way more in common then differences.
 
Pericles, with all due respect, your credibility has been irreversibly damaged in the absence of recent pics.

You still have these trophies, yes?

Write Pericles on a piece of paper put the paper next to a trophy and post it.

Do the same with some recent physique shots.

In summary: Pics or GTFO.

I actually am trying to scan and post another pic....I am technologically challenged.

I have to run soon, but will try one more time. If I am not successful, then my wife will try (she is smarter than me)

Just tried again, says "invalid file".
 
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What does that long drawn out story about "Ray" have to do with anything?

I don't want to be involved in this whole thing and I'm kind of reluctant to post since I don't want to be involved but this has to stop. Nobody cares about your personal achievements and nobody cares what you looked like 20 years ago.

I think you'd have a much easier time if you'd stop telling your long stories and just stick to talking about whatever the thread might be about.
 
What does that long drawn out story about "Ray" have to do with anything?

I don't want to be involved in this whole thing and I'm kind of reluctant to post since I don't want to be involved but this has to stop. Nobody cares about your personal achievements and nobody cares what you looked like 20 years ago.

I think you'd have a much easier time if you'd stop telling your long stories and just stick to talking about whatever the thread might be about.

Reading comprehension my friend: I got my Black Belt from "Ray, a professional MMA fighter and world class grappler." Had you actually read, you would know that. Also, you missed the several posts I made offering to stop these downward spiraling arguments. You do realize that you just did what you asked me not to do, yes?
 
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