1g tren 700mg test prop for 12 weeks - 7lbs pure muscle realistic ?

Meal 1 is pre workout And meal 2 is post workout I need these in liquid form no digestion and quick and easy.

I agree before bed I don't need a shake and real foodn would be better option but I can't physically eat cottage cheese I would throw it back up.
 
Also layne norton is natural bb and he says do bw x 20 on gear what would you say bw x ? What

id say that i stated which equation i used, and if you cant type the name into google, you probably cant type the numbers into a calculator.

BMR = 88.362 + (13.397 x weight in kg) + (4.799 x height in cm) - (5.677 x age in years)
*1.725 for 5-6 days a week of heavy exercise
*1.9 for twice a day/extra heavy exercise
and unoficially even higher if you work a hard physical job on top of daily exercise.

so here's a website that does it for you...
Code:
http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm

it seems to be down at the moment, but hey, i guess you're capable of finding a cached copy right?
now remember, these calculations are your calorie need, off gear. and even when off you need to go surplus to build muscle, you just need to go a hell of a lot more over on gear, since your body will actually use the bloody energy.
 
There are sometimes matching federal funds, but most road repair is paid w/ local tax money, especially here in Texas. Federalism tody is about how, why, and if money is distributed. I taught this stuff for 11 years.

In regards to the funny guy, absolutely, They are much more successful than humorless guys. Also, there is a certain minimum "looks" threshold that a guy must pass.For example, if a guy is rich, and average looking, just enough to pass the threshold then yes, money is very important.

A final component is a mans control and composure. By control, I mean in control of your own emotions. Don't chat on the phone w/ her every night for an hour. If she wants to chat she will have to be on a date w/ you first. Only take her out on Mon.-Thursday. Be confident, and polite.

Money helps a lot in the confidence department.

I made a good chunk of money from 2000-2006 in CA real estate. My wife (then gf) had no idea about this money (it was tied up, so I had to live on the $50k a year I made from teaching). She did not find out about it for 9 months, 7 months after she said she would "fight for me."

I paid off all her debt, bought our house, $100k in furniture and electronics. I even bought her a Porsche Cayenne twin turbo SUV, and a Mercedes.

Now, the tables are turned. I lost $100k in a PE fund that turned out to be a ponzi scheme. Spent waaaaay too much on cars and racing (Stretch has seen my GT2 in action) and I left academia for a store that is failing.

My wife is making decent money, but still mired in student loan debt.

This will be the test. What I have learned in 51 years on this planet is that most women will leave once things get tough. Divorce laws reward women and punish men.

I think that this thread should go into the "Threadjack Hall of Fame."

I hope my wife does not fulfill this pattern. Since the economic tables


that's exactly what I mean!

chicks only care about the size of your wallet and the car you drive...

both of my companies are in infrastructure...ie, rebuilding the failing infrastructure.

so I get to see all aspects of wealth and poverty. Or, atleast how municipalities, big business, and governments mismanage funding.

The rich cities and townships may not have a crack in their road but we are in their tearing them out and redoing them... to keep the residents Ferarri's from getting bent wheels.

but the innercities with potholes just get minor repairs... and keep going.

I cant complain... keeps food on my table.
 
There are sometimes matching federal funds, but most road repair is paid w/ local tax money, especially here in Texas. Federalism tody is about how, why, and if money is distributed. I taught this stuff for 11 years.

In regards to the funny guy, absolutely, They are much more successful than humorless guys. Also, there is a certain minimum "looks" threshold that a guy must pass.For example, if a guy is rich, and average looking, just enough to pass the threshold then yes, money is very important.

A final component is a mans control and composure. By control, I mean in control of your own emotions. Don't chat on the phone w/ her every night for an hour. If she wants to chat she will have to be on a date w/ you first. Only take her out on Mon.-Thursday. Be confident, and polite.

Money helps a lot in the confidence department.

I made a good chunk of money from 2000-2006 in CA real estate. My wife (then gf) had no idea about this money (it was tied up, so I had to live on the $50k a year I made from teaching). She did not find out about it for 9 months, 7 months after she said she would "fight for me."

I paid off all her debt, bought our house, $100k in furniture and electronics. I even bought her a Porsche Cayenne twin turbo SUV, and a Mercedes.

Now, the tables are turned. I lost $100k in a PE fund that turned out to be a ponzi scheme. Spent waaaaay too much on cars and racing (Stretch has seen my GT2 in action) and I left academia for a store that is failing.

My wife is making decent money, but still mired in student loan debt.

This will be the test. What I have learned in 51 years on this planet is that most women will leave once things get tough. Divorce laws reward women and punish men.

I think that this thread should go into the "Threadjack Hall of Fame."

I hope my wife does not fulfill this pattern. Since the economic tables

i hear ya…

still paying 4k a month on my first marriage and that was with no kids.
 
i hear ya…

still paying 4k a month on my first marriage and that was with no kids.

Insanity! Originally, laws and obligations were created to protect children. Back then (1960's) the typical case was where a deadbeat dad abandoned his wife and children. The economic market was much tougher for women back then especially since 99% were homemakers w/ no tangible job skills.

Thus these men had to pay....perfectly fair. Unfortunately, the laws morphed, and women could get child support and, unless she is a crack whore, the wife would automatically get the kids and house and alimony. No fault divorce, or not getting married in the fist place, contributed to this development. As Charles Murray documents in his important book "Losing Ground," that women are better off financially (in the short, not long run, see below) from the explosion of the Welfare state.

Deadsbeat dads, abandoners', and abusive men make up only a tiny fraction of our 50% divorce rate. 66% of divorces are filed by women under no fault laws. The father could be an excellent husband and father, but it matters not: One fight, the woman can become angry and knowing that she will get government help, the house and 60% of a mans future salaries seals the deal.

Back to Murray, he laid out clearly how a woman could do better financially via not marrying the father of her child in the first place. Say Sue gets pregnant from Steve. Steve is a great guy, loving father and husband, and treats Sue like a queen. However, Steve will never be Donald Trump. He works down at the Piggly Wiggley for $9 an hour.

Sue does the math, and realizes she well be better of financially if she does not marry good old Steve, or Jeff (father of her 2nd child) or Chuck (3rd child). Welfare will give her more money than if she split these ^ paychecks.

It should therefore be no surprise that there are so many single parents. Unfortunately, children from these types of families (me included) have much higher rates or criminal behavior, drug addiction/ alcoholism, incarceration, and less earning power and happy future relationships than those that come from intact families.

Clinton signed into law the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA). It is a United States federal law limiting the max time (2 years per child, 5 years total) a woman can collect Welfare.

However, it did nothing in regards to making divorce/child support/alimony a financial move for woman. With no fundamental change in these laws, we will continue to see more families torn in two. Couple have a fight (verbal....hitting a woman is ABSOLUTELY unacceptable) and she knows she can ruin his life by using the extant laws to take him to the proverbial cleaner..

Furthermore, a couple of Profs over at Princeton did a study of couples. Some stayed married through tough times, others did not. They found that women who stayed married (to non abusive men) were much happier 20 years down the road.
 
very nice outline PC.

and oh so… unfortunately true!!

much of which i have lived!

tried to learn from my first mistake and spent a lot of money on a prenup.
Hopefully it won't need to be tested.

You can never be to sure in today's day and age.
 
OP,

sorry about the derail… but sometimes a little bit of lifes lessons by the older folks will show that… life isn't always about aesthetics.

plan accordingly… and most of all… have a back up plan. or 2
 
You live this lifestyle for yourself.

i stand by the fact…

chicks don't give a shit about anything but money…

if you've been in the BB scene long enough (as well as life… young and old!) you will see it.

look at all the figure and physique girls that are selling themselves for money…

its just fringe benefit to be jacked and have money.

and you're absolutely correct…not only this lifestyle… but everything you hold dear to yourself!

absolutely…Sir.

however, even in the short term.

the girls will always migrate to the guy buying all the drinks in the VIP area.

some of those guys are peers i work with… they can't seem to figure out why i train so much when they can just open their wallet. :eek:

i just laugh… if you can buy it… it aint worth it!

Point taken. Just never underestimate female desire or overestimate fidelity!

The big truth is what DieYoungStrong said: "You live this lifestyle for yourself."

Those who pursue bodybuilding as a means to an end - e.g. to impress others and attract opposite sex - will likely be disillusioned to some degree. You must enjoy the process and enjoy the fruits regardless of what others think
 
Has any1 even noticed how many posts this thread has gone up 2 in addition to the OP now obtaining the Frequent Poster & Activity Awards, who were originally Dr. Jim's for who knows how long?? I stopped reading it a long time ago, but idk y ppl r still making this thread THE MOST ACTIVE on this website (and its been that way 4 a long time).

i cant believe this thread is still going on. You guys have a lot of patience. :cool:

spoon feeding is only good for infants.:rolleyes:

next he will be asking you to inject for him!:)

It's comical. The OP posts under the pretense of seeking advice only to proceed in telling everyone exactly what he is going to do while ignoring absolutely everything reasonable suggestion offered by everyone else. Is he really looking for advice or simply validation?

@Aestheticphysique: has anyone said anything that has had any influence on changing your course of action?
 
Originally Posted by OhNoYo
Has any1 even noticed how many posts this thread has gone up 2 in addition to the OP now obtaining the Frequent Poster & Activity Awards, who were originally Dr. Jim's for who knows how long?? I stopped reading it a long time ago, but idk y ppl r still making this thread THE MOST ACTIVE on this website (and its been that way 4 a long time).


Originally Posted by beezil
i cant believe this thread is still going on. You guys have a lot of patience.

spoon feeding is only good for infants.

next he will be asking you to inject for him!

It's comical. The OP posts under the pretense of seeking advice only to proceed in telling everyone exactly what he is going to do while ignoring absolutely everything reasonable suggestion offered by everyone else. Is he really looking for advice or simply validation?

@Aestheticphysique: has anyone said anything that has had any influence on changing your course of action?

The OP is a troll. I don't believe for one minute the OP was ever serious about any of his inquiries, crazy doses and especially his obsession with this eye shadow wearing, lipstick wearing dude with a Justin Beaver haircut, Zzz. LMAO!

If you look through the thread, as soon as it dies down, he posts something else even more outrageous than before and it starts right back up again. Typical troll behavior.

With the exception of maybe a couple of people that took him seriously and tried to help, everyone else recognized the troll behavior for what it was and were just having some fun with him. And it lead to some crazy off topic stuff about women, Darwin, Phd's, gay porn, PC (again) and his 20 inch biceps and speedo and some great flamming. It was a nice break from the same old, same old and mostly all in fun. No harm, no foul.
 
It's comical. The OP posts under the pretense of seeking advice only to proceed in telling everyone exactly what he is going to do while ignoring absolutely everything reasonable suggestion offered by everyone else. Is he really looking for advice or simply validation?

@Aestheticphysique: has anyone said anything that has had any influence on changing your course of action?

Validation, of course. He knows what he is going to do, and wants others to support his decision. Cycling for him right now is 100% an absolutely bad decision, and in many, many ways. We seem to get these inquiries at least twice a week.
 
The OP is a troll. I don't believe for one minute the OP was ever serious about any of his inquiries, crazy doses and especially his obsession with this eye shadow wearing, lipstick wearing dude with a Justin Beaver haircut, Zzz. LMAO!

If you look through the thread, as soon as it dies down, he posts something else even more outrageous than before and it starts right back up again. Typical troll behavior.

With the exception of maybe a couple of people that took him seriously and tried to help, everyone else recognized the troll behavior for what it was and were just having some fun with him. And it lead to some crazy off topic stuff about women, Darwin, Phd's, gay porn, PC (again) and his 20 inch biceps and speedo and some great flamming. It was a nice break from the same old, same old and mostly all in fun. No harm, no foul.

CBS: We all know that the gay porn would draw you in. BTW, what is flamming?

Is it related to gay porn? You certainly seem to have some type of obsession w/ my posing trunks, as you repeatedly interject them into 80% or your posts. Creepy.

And by the way, when are you going to post some pics of yourself? You are quick to criticize others, and the only justification for doing so is that you have a physique that is on another level.

Have you ever lifted a weight? I don't think so, you just come on here and waste everyone's time when you would better spend those hours training.

Please post up the pics. If you don't, then we will all know the truth about you.
 
WOW!!! This thread is still going strong. I've been in Vegas for 6 days and I come back and a few are still sucked in lol. Shit......... I was just sucked into posting again on this thread.

mands
 
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