Raloxifene for gyno?!

johnnyBALLZ

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I came across some information in another thread that has me optimistic about my gyno going into the future. It seems that Paxil, which I take at 15mg daily, blocks the CYP2D6 enzyme which tamoxifen(nolva) needs to metabolize into its active form. So could this be why nolva has not been able to clear up my gyno?

Could raloxifene be a better solution than nolva for my situation since it does not need the CYP2D6 enzyme?

This info would also be helpful to guys that use nolva during PCT while taking SSRIs. I have to get somethings done at work but I wanted to hopefully get a discussion started on this.
 
I found this protocol on another board for the use of raloxifene to reduce gyno....

TO REVERSE GYNECOMASTIA WITH SERMS:

Raloxifene: 60mg daily. You should see improvement in approx. 4 to 6 weeks. If not increase by 20 mg for every 3 weeks, never to exceed 100mg daily.

Tamoxifen: 40mg daily for once week. Then 20mg daily until gynecomastia is reversed.

Both protocols above will take time. This is not a 2 week process. Reversal will require patience. But it most certainly is effective, side-effect-free and cost incredibly effective when compared to surgery.


There has been a tweek to the above protocol... See below.

This is the new ADVISED protocol:

60mg daily for 10 days ONLY. Then 30mg daily until gynecomastia is reversed.

WHY THE CHANGE:

Doses of 60 to 100mg of Raloxifene can result in bone demineralization. effected bone morphogenetic proteins include, but not limited to FGF, PGE2, M-CSF and PDGF.

Recommended Supplementation during Treatment:

Vitamin D and Calcium are recommended during Raloxifene treatment. 5000 IU vitamin D daily, and 500 mg of calcium daily.

This was just brought to my attention by an MD specialized in this field. I apologize for distributing the old protocol, however, this goes to show that you can research something to death and still not learn everything.

raloxifene remains the superior compound for gynecomastia reversal today.

I hope this helps. It does look promising.
 
If what you stated is correct re: cyp emzyme interaction not effecting raloxifene then it is by far your best bet. (IMO its everyones best bet for gyno treatment anyway). It has the strongest binding affinity of any serm to the e recptor in breast tissue and has been shown , in studies, to reverse even pre existing, pre pubertual, gyno.
 
If what you stated is correct re: cyp emzyme interaction not effecting raloxifene then it is by far your best bet. (IMO its everyones best bet for gyno treatment anyway). It has the strongest binding affinity of any serm to the e recptor in breast tissue and has been shown , in studies, to reverse even pre existing, pre pubertual, gyno.

Thanks Jimmy!!
 
Ballz let me know how this works out for you. I got slight gyno from my cycle a couple years ago..idk if its too late for me, but I'll probably still give it a shot since surgery would be the only other way and is way more expensive.
 
Ballz let me know how this works out for you. I got slight gyno from my cycle a couple years ago..idk if its too late for me, but I'll probably still give it a shot since surgery would be the only other way and is way more expensive.

I already have some on the way and I'll definitely keep the board posted on this. I just wish I knew about this sooner.

Also this info may not just benefit guys that take SSRIs, if you google "raloxifene vs tamoxifen for gyno" everything points to ralox hands down. Hopefully good things to come.. :)
 
That's one huge leap to suggest Relafen is superior to Tamoxifen based on a few PREPUBERTAL STUDIES!

Although Raloxifene maybe more effective than Tamo, in select patients, a cost of somewhere between $150- $250 dollars per month would preclude it's use on a routine basis for AAS associated cyclical gynecomastia.

Tamo is equally effective for ASS associated gynecomastia in the majority of patients, especially if some attempts are made at reducing the load of aromatizable AAS from the outset.

Importantly it's important to realize studies using "prepubertal gynecomastia" patients as the cohorts, although helpful to some extent, should be taken with a grain of salt since this condition reverses spontaneously in more than 95% of patients, which is in contradistinction to AAS related disease.

Moreover the comparison or concern that ANY SERM will cause bony demineralization if used over the course of a few months (as in AAS) or years (as in breast cancer) is simply not justifiable.

Furthermore the Raloxifene has actually been utilized as a form of therapy in PMP patients with osteoporosis because it's effect on BMD is minimal and possibly even PROTECTIVE

Overall although I suspect Raloxifene may be superior to other SERMs in the TX of gynecomastia, it's use should be limited to resistant cases if not for cost alone!

As JI mentioned although SERMS may result in a reduction of pre-existing gynecomastia. there IS NO EVIDENCE any SERM causes or results in cellular necrosis or apoptosis, which would be required for the therapeutic reversal to be long lasting or "permanent" (SEVERAL YEARS) as some
have claimed.

What does that mean? Fellas if you have had problems with gynecomastia previously (and have NOT had surgery for same) a SERM should be instituted BEFORE the inception of that cycle your contemplating and since the half life averages about 3 DAYS, treatment should begin at least TWO WEEKS (5 half lives) prior!!!!

The lack of a "long term" effect from SERMS should be of no surprise since a marked reduction in cellular reproduction is exactly what has been observed in PMP E-2 dependent patients treated with SERMS, rather than cellular death.


One final point of EMPHASIS must be made!

At LEAST TWO WEEKS of SERM treatment should have passed before a therapeutic failure is declared and the dose adjusted accordingly.
 
It seems that Paxil, which I take at 15mg daily, blocks the CYP2D6 enzyme which tamoxifen(nolva) needs to metabolize into its active form. So could this be why nolva has not been able to clear up my gyno?

Okay, this has me interested. I take Paxil as well, only 20mg a day but I do. Let's say Paxil blocks this enzyme. Would taking more than the usual dose of tamoxifen overcome this?
 
Okay, this has me interested. I take Paxil as well, only 20mg a day but I do. Let's say Paxil blocks this enzyme. Would taking more than the usual dose of tamoxifen overcome this?

I'm not sure.. Great question. I wouldn't think so but I still have a limited understanding of this.
 
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Hi folks!, i know it's been a while but i would like to know if anybody of you did have good results with raloxifene, i'm on my 6th day and still waiting to help me with some gyno i'm carrying since i was 14, i'm 37 now and REEEEALLY hoping this helps me...i only have puffyness on my nipples but i'm sure is NOT fat because i'm 9% BF right now and pretty much defined, 6 pack and everything. Looking forward for your comments guys!!!
 
Ok, so where does Letro fit into all this? I have read that Letro is the way to go to reverse gyno.
 
Thanks for the clarification brutus. So how would you combine/dose to reverse gyno while on cycle?
 
That's good i reactivated the thread!, but i thought it was about ralox, that is why i asked about results...i guess i will have to wait and see it for myself
 
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