Is a .45 whatman filter enough

[beast_mode89]

So it's going to be my first time brewing. I'm going to brew some test prop and tren ace. So I'm going for the proven 2%BA to 20%BB with sesame seed oil. Now I've done research and in some they state that a .45 whatman filter is enough, but others say that .22 whatman is the only way to go. What is your guys take? Is a .45 filter enough?

 

[Juice n Goose]

So it's going to be my first time brewing. I'm going to brew some test prop and tren ace. So I'm going for the proven 2%BA to 20%BB with sesame seed oil. Now I've done research and in some they state that a .45 whatman filter is enough, but others say that .22 whatman is the only way to go. What is your guys take? Is a .45 filter enough?

To the best of my knowledge the .45 has a couple of .22's inside it. The ones I have say so but I may be wrong. Just curious what mg/ml do you plan to take your tren to?
In any case Ive used the .45's many,many times when making tren-a but I filter twice. I know..what a pain!! but it comes out so nice n yellowish n' clear as a bell!
I am sure to pre-wet the filter with some of the oil to make it both easier and more efficient then use a couple more CC's of the prescribed unadulterated oil at the end of the "push"(GENTLE PUSH so as not to blow 'em out) to clear out all of the goodies left in the filter.
My .02 and have fun! Let us know how it all comes out. I for one am VERY interested in both but especialy in the prop as I was always concerned that Id washed out all of the "Gyno-gunk"
Goose

 

[beast_mode89]

I'm going to make the tren-a at 100mgs/ml and also the test prop. Should I do only 10ml first as a test run to make sure it comes out right first?

 

[puff_daddy]

I would go from a .45 then to a 0.2. If the filters aren't sterile, you can push some alcohol through them, then let them air dry.

 

[puff_daddy]

I'm going to make the tren-a at 100mgs/ml and also the test prop. Should I do only 10ml first as a test run to make sure it comes out right first?

I assume you're doing implants, are we allowed to discuss estradiol removal?

 

[Juice n Goose]

I assume you're doing implants, are we allowed to discuss estradiol removal?

Heck yes!!
I try to keep the lingo clean on these fora but darn right... we are here for many reasons and the exchange of knowledge is paramount!
Please MR. puff_daddy let 'er rip with uploading useful data of ANY SORT.
And PLEASE bring on the queries in addition. We thirst to help and render our input!
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True we sometimes have what one might call an "eccentric fellow" but all in all people share their knowledge, strength, and experience in an uncensored environment.
Im certainly not proseletyzing(cause Im just another man with an opinion) But collectively with ALL of our members,even the quiet ones, we have a combined data base unheard of in the cyber-world (on par with The Library of Congress).
We boast, and raise a glass, to our members diligence and uncanny love of true,NO B.S. exchange of information.
One listens to all-comers then he is in a position to pursue his quest.
DAMN listen to me huh? I sound like a lay-minister..SORRY!
I guess what Im saying is that at MESO youll never find such a brilliant and helpful community anywhere else.
Youre going to love it here! WELCOME,WELCOME!!!
PS have you seen the old Basskiller vid on prop production? its a little old but I feel he hit the right buttons on proper"washing" techniques for ridding the synovex of estradiol benzoate. Age of the info is not significant..Chemistry is chemistry.Very useful if you watch it and truly understand the "whys and wheretofor's" before doing it!
Not as simple as TREN conversion huh?
You have to REALLY want it.
I knew a guy who was a corner cutter and he got to have an operation to get his man-boobs removed!!
I made my own gear cause I was new to the scene online and got shut out hard where I went! That and I liked the challenge!
Im sorry, Ive hijacked your thread!!
I want to hear what you have to offer and I bet a zillion others do too!
Please..dish out the datum!!!
Goose

 

[Juice n Goose]

I'm going to make the tren-a at 100mgs/ml and also the test prop. Should I do only 10ml first as a test run to make sure it comes out right first?

I think its a very good idea to make the smaller batch first to make sure your technique is sound.
Im sure it is but heck thats what I always did.
I learned that when sucking the last of the oil from the vial with all the crud in the bottom,not to go after it TOO diligently.
It can always be poured say,into a coffee filter, then compressed out for later collection. Prior to sterilization.
This sure saves my Whatmans from the undue stress and prolongs their life!
Goose

 

[Juice n Goose]

I would go from a .45 then to a 0.2. If the filters aren't sterile, you can push some alcohol through them, then let them air dry.

150ml Nalgene MF75 Complete Sterile Filter - 0.22 Pore Size/50mm dia. (Qty. 1) | Filtration | Med Lab Supply.
Check these beauties out. I think they are like ten bucks!!
TOP DRAWER!!!
oh yeah isnt the benzyl alcohol the true strilization solvent?
The filter doesnt sterilize anything,it just removes particles and ive tested under the scope the product of a.22um and a .45um filter..too close to call IMO.
Ive never baked or otherwise used anything but the BA to sterilize my stuff and never got infection.
Maybe I just got lucky!!
Goose

 

[mercury]

go for 0.22 um, it can filter even bactaria, it is harder to push through but worth the efford

 

[Juice n Goose]

go for 0.22 um, it can filter even bactaria, it is harder to push through but worth the efford

I dont know if Im sure about the dif between a .45um filter and a .22 um filter.
The average bacteria is abou 1-3 um.
What concerns me most is that the BA kills many bacteria then the dead bacteria,spores,skin cells etc pass through like sh**t through a goose!
Many people can have a reaction to those "dead" organisms and such.
I guess it really comes down to how much youre brewing. a .2um filter clogs fast and is a friggin pain to push slowly enough not to burst it!!
When I used to make a lot,the bottle topper and pump was the only answer.
Still Im NOT doubting you nor am I disputing your opinion,I want that to be clear.I think its just that different people do things differently sometimes.My goal was to help puff_daddy get through his first brew as easily(and safely) as possible Mercury I just know with proper use of BA and maybe double filtering ,the .45um is just as good.
Mine is a personal opinion gained from lots of experience but in my former line of work,getting the job done safely for you and your men(in this case the user of the gear is what matters most huh?
Heck if we wanna get crazy we could autoclave everything and use a dry sterilization technique.HAHAHA!!!
Please dont take this wrong..I just dont see the Dif.
Goose

 

[beast_mode89]

@juice and goose

That's why I figured that a .45 should be enough. Any other bacteria that slid thru would get killed by the BA. Isn't that why the BA is there? I'm going to give it a try with the .45 filter in a small batch. Double filtering of course. Then out weigh the need for the .22 with the results.

Also this is from powder not the finaplix carts. So there really isn't much if any filler I need to remove.

What oil would you recommend for a nice golden look? I'm shooting for sesame but also looking at the cottonseed.

 

[mercury]

I dont know if Im sure about the dif between a .45um filter and a .22 um filter.
The average bacteria is abou 1-3 um.

you got the size wrong about bacteria

the smalles one measure only 0.3 micrometres, as small as the largest viruses

so 0.22 um and 0.44 um makes difference, it is for reason they sell 0.22 filters

check here

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria]Bacteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Juice n Goose]

you got the size wrong about bacteria

the smalles one measure only 0.3 micrometres, as small as the largest viruses

so 0.22 um and 0.44 um makes difference, it is for reason they sell 0.22 filters

check here

Bacteria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

your primary concern is the products of the dead bacteria,skin cells,spores,etc.After the BA kills so many a colony is about as likely to form as the sun crashing into the Earth.
Do you truly believe ALL of the sterilization occurs in a wheel filter? HAHAHA!! Tell me your kidding!
Truth be known brother (forgive me for not picking this up in wikipedia ,rather in REAL-LIFE organic chemistry,physics research and microbiology..) one can purchase semi-permeable membranes that make the .22 um look like a chicken-wire fence!
They also sell gamma ray irradiation devices that work on a sub atomic level!
Ive personally isolated ultra-cold(near absolute zero degrees K) polar molecules in a plasma field that isolates things like quarks,electrons,etc and hopefully a Higgs Boson!
But whos interested in the reality of science?
Goose

 

[Juice n Goose]

your primary concern is the products of the dead bacteria,skin cells,spores,etc.After the BA kills so many a colony is about as likely to form as the sun crashing into the Earth.
Do you truly believe ALL of the sterilization occurs in a wheel filter? HAHAHA!! Tell me your kidding!
Truth be known brother (forgive me for not picking this up in wikipedia ,rather in REAL-LIFE organic chemistry,physics research and microbiology..) one can purchase semi-permeable membranes that make the .22 um look like a chicken-wire fence!
They also sell gamma ray irradiation devices that work on a sub atomic level!
Ive personally isolated ultra-cold(near absolute zero degrees K) polar molecules in a plasma field that isolates things like quarks,electrons,etc and hopefully a Higgs Boson!
But whos interested in the reality of science?
Goose

HAHAHAHAHA!! OH SHIT..thanks Mercury,next time im feeling blue and need to laugh my ass off Ill pm you!!
Goose

 

[puff_daddy]

Thanks for the welcome goose! Here is what I know about HB. Benzyl alcohol is just a preservative, all it does it prevent more bacteria from growing. (wikipedia)
Honestly the best implant to use is Component-TH its Tren-a with tylan. The tylan is the blue pellet on the end, and that is just thrown away. Then you're left with just Tren!! No estradiol to deal with, which means you can keep the acetate ester. Because the only sure way to remove all estradiol is to use sodium hydroxide, which by using that also removes the acetate ester (or the prop ester if using test) leaving you with Tren base or Test base (TNE). Of course there are other methods that can remove some of the estradiol, but they are not 100% sure that all the estrogen will be removed! Of course you could just take nolvadex when you use it haha

 

[beast_mode89]

I need to get one of those plasma ray sterilizers so I can be certain all the bacteria is dead!!! Lol...JK

Ill keep you guys posted my filters and other tools are coming in tomorrow. Will try it and will post how it went. Thanks for the help everyone.

 

[Juice n Goose]

I need to get one of those plasma ray sterilizers so I can be certain all the bacteria is dead!!! Lol...JK

Ill keep you guys posted my filters and other tools are coming in tomorrow. Will try it and will post how it went. Thanks for the help everyone.

Plasma has to be contained in an electro-magnetic field. HAHA! I see you have a good sense of humor
Your MIND....open it WIIIIDE and ALL THINGS BECOME POSSIBLE ..in the realm of science.
We can capture protons,neutrons,bosons and a number of sub-atomic particles.
Every time you use your computer., millions of transistors on a tiny chip for in a fan -in,fan-out process are operating"in the closed position" some pass 32bit "ON" signals..its beautiful AND REAL!!! Some computers utilize over 5 billion on a chip.
RELY ON YOURSELF to THINK BIG my Friend!!! The world is your oyster,to quote an odd little British fellow...go pluck that oyster. All things can be possible!!!
Never say always or never..someone will properly challenge you...
Welcome to Meso!!! You are HOME!
Goose

 

[Juice n Goose]

HAHAHAHAHA!! OH SHIT..thanks Mercury,next time im feeling blue and need to laugh my ass off Ill pm you!!
Goose

Im sorry if I acted like an ass Its just that I have a difficult time when I hear of things being perpetuated when the speaker doesnt know why(we see that alot in school) if you want to go into it BA is bacteriostatic. Now to stop CFU's(colony forming units) we could look to chlorhexadine,phenoxyethanol AND BA and a host of others. When is the last time you heard of a home brewer abcessing,being bacterially infected or otherwise harmed..If he is careful?
There is a simple fact that unless a colony reaches a certain CFU count it isnt harmful and please keep in mind of the millions(perhaps billions) of strains out there,most are NOT dangerous to humans..I would just like to see people do REAL research and quit looking at the pablum being spoon-fed to them by those who wouldnt know a centrifuge from a merry-go-round.
This is important stuff! its also scientifically quantifiable..I dont need to talk of gamma radiation or UV sources or any of the ways we have of killing bacterial species.some pseudomona(one bad MF can be only .1 um!!) RELAX!!!
I encourage people to seek out knowledge from places other than a wiki or Googles first hit! Its probably why America has lost its scientific edge!
Thank you for letting me rant at no one in particular!! Good Evening!
Goose

 

[Juice n Goose]

Thanks for the welcome goose! Here is what I know about HB. Benzyl alcohol is just a preservative, all it does it prevent more bacteria from growing. (wikipedia)
Honestly the best implant to use is Component-TH its Tren-a with tylan. The tylan is the blue pellet on the end, and that is just thrown away. Then you're left with just Tren!! No estradiol to deal with, which means you can keep the acetate ester. Because the only sure way to remove all estradiol is to use sodium hydroxide, which by using that also removes the acetate ester (or the prop ester if using test) leaving you with Tren base or Test base (TNE). Of course there are other methods that can remove some of the estradiol, but they are not 100% sure that all the estrogen will be removed! Of course you could just take nolvadex when you use it haha

I know a man who did just that with his prop(relied on tons of nolva and other meds) he now has enormous chunks of flesh missing all around his breasts and chest!) I wont name him though he once asked me to warn the people..helluva guy. Rolled the dice and came up snake-eyes!!
Yes and welcome to you my friend Puff_daddy. please continue your work as a true scientist cum gear-head!! HAHA!
And again..welcome to one of the coolest places around!!
Goose

 

[Juice n Goose]

I need to get one of those plasma ray sterilizers so I can be certain all the bacteria is dead!!! Lol...JK

Ill keep you guys posted my filters and other tools are coming in tomorrow. Will try it and will post how it went. Thanks for the help everyone.

Dont die on us Bro..That would Break my FU**ing heart!!! JK
Im curious..will you post the level of CFU's(colony forming units) in you "gear" for us who really care?
Can you then please identify any or all strains of bacteria you find and relate to us the 10 year death count due to the micro-organisms?
And how these rate with the World Health Organizations recomendations on consumption?
Its YOUR body its going into NOT mine! Maybe you care! maybe not
Just for kicks!!! JK
Goose