HCG Thoughts

[Mike Oxbig]

No it would improve unless e-2 gets too thrown off. Because it mimics LH, it will increase natty T-production. There are many things that can do this though..

...and an increase in aromatization/E2 without an AI, as Jim already stated.

I suppose that isn't that big of a deal though, I'm sure NTBM has something in stock to take care of the E2.

 

[Dr JIM]

Quite the opposite really!

Such that if the cause of ED is Low T because of HTPA suppression then HCG supplementation should

 

[Dr JIM]

.... should result in an proportional increase of TT/E-2 levels providing the gonads are fully functional.

Obviously this is NOT the clinical presentation of those whom have been cycling AAS.

 

[corageon]

...and an increase in aromatization/E2 without an AI, as Jim already stated.

I suppose that isn't that big of a deal though, I'm sure NTBM has something in stock to take care of the E2.

What would you recommend, just plain old Arimidex + Nolva? There are other options out there. Don't be too old-school, modern days are beginning to over ride classic therapies, I hear.

For all the good people of this forum, most of which who know there is always far more options than what most people bring across (surely there can't be only 1, or two, or even three), out of everything out there.

I suppose nobody mentioned that MHO Poppers are actually VERY effective at reducing aromatase (1) (2) and are heads on with Erase and Forma.


There is a review here (!) and here (!), and there http://needtobuildmuscle.net/forum/f2/new-product-available-mr-supps-forged-mho-poppers-male-hormone-optimizer-20163.html if you like.

 

[Mike Oxbig]

I suppose that isn't that big of a deal though, I'm sure NTBM has something in stock to take care of the E2.

I suppose nobody mentioned that MHO Poppers are actually VERY effective at reducing aromatase

http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Pro-Hormones/-Forged-MHO-Poppers-p278.html

Who woulda thunk it?

 

[BT83]

Thanks for the replies. I think I will increase to 1000ius the last 2wks of cycle. What is the recommended frequency of administration (e.g. qod q3d, etc.)? Then I will wait approx 10-14 days for exogenous source of testosterone to clear before initiating clomid and nolva. Is this correct?

Also, I have been on HCG for 2wks now at 250ius q mwf and there has been no noticeable effect on my testicular size. Atrophy is still present.

Thanks

 

[corageon]

Thanks for the replies. I think I will increase to 1000ius the last 2wks of cycle. What is the recommended frequency of administration (e.g. qod q3d, etc.)? Then I will wait approx 10-14 days for exogenous source of testosterone to clear before initiating clomid and nolva. Is this correct?

Also, I have been on HCG for 2wks now at 250ius q mwf and there has been no noticeable effect on my testicular size. Atrophy is still present.

Thanks

You would think with that note you would have already increased your hCG dose.
Why no AI though, you need an aromatase inhibitor.

SERMS alone are most likely not enough for ya bro.

 

[ehudxx]

I too very much appreciate the Hcg info. My plan is to run Hcg 3x's a week for 4 weeks after my cycle has ended. I'll switch to Nolva for 4 weeks after my Hcg therapy has ended. The hardest part of using Hcg is the conflicting opinions. I You must have at least several hundred posts before I even consider your view point.!

Age 52
800mg of test C per week for 12 weeks
Have been cycling Test for almost 15 years
Thank you veterans for your replies

 

[corageon]

I too very much appreciate the Hcg info. My plan is to run Hcg 3x's a week for 4 weeks after my cycle has ended. I'll switch to Nolva for 4 weeks after my Hcg therapy has ended. The hardest part of using Hcg is the conflicting opinions. I You must have at least several hundred posts before I even consider your view point.!

Age 52
800mg of test C per week for 12 weeks
Have been cycling Test for almost 15 years
Thank you veterans for your replies

You can usually tell by the quality of the person's posts, and their vocabulary, not so much the quantity

Step forward.

 

[toolman]

You can usually tell by the quality of the person's posts, and their vocabulary, not so much the quantity

Step forward.

Lol...Good to see you have adopted our way of thinking. When it comes to vocabulary you have been pointed out as a wanting idiot. You claim typos lead you to conjugate verbs incorrectly and make the same spelling errors. Other times you say a word doesn't exist when it does, and then you did not know what variant meant. By the way...it is not "over ride" as you put in your post before. The word is "override". This is another common error made by an uneducated person...of maybe your iphone added a space in ardor as I know that is your favorite excuse. Search his posts and you will see the grade school grammar errors and lack of vocabulary.


Get lost little man...no one believes any of your crap in here. This is why this board is so great, so many respected bros will watch you try to shill your shit non stop. Now shouldn't you be preparing for the apocalypse you threated us all with for identifying you as a community college drop out 5'6" construction worker spouting your made up medical knowledge, herbal specialties and lifting techniques of 26lbs of muscle gained in a couple week?

 

[corageon]

Lol...Good to see you have adopted our way of thinking. When it comes to vocabulary you have been pointed out as a wanting idiot. You claim typos lead you to conjugate verbs incorrectly and make the same spelling errors. Other times you say a word doesn't exist when it does, and then you did not know what variant meant. By the way...it is not "over ride" as you put in your post before. The word is "override". This is another common error made by an uneducated person...of maybe your iphone added a space in ardor as I know that is your favorite excuse. Search his posts and you will see the grade school grammar errors and lack of vocabulary.


Get lost little man...no one believes any of your crap in here. This is why this board is so great, so many respected bros will watch you try to shill your shit non stop. Now shouldn't you be preparing for the apocalypse you threated us all with for identifying you as a community college drop out 5'6" construction worker spouting your made up medical knowledge, herbal specialties and lifting techniques of 26lbs of muscle gained in a couple week?

Lol. I've already accomplishing my mission I see. You really should re-read over these threads and see what you are missing. You've said the same thing over and over again, I am beginning to think you have Tourette's or some form or OCD. That's OK brotha, we can be partners in crime. You have to be a real impulsive individual though, like me.

 

[Dr JIM]

How's the sales Contagion, LMAO!

 

[corageon]

How's the sales Contagion, LMAO!

Who said anything about sales? I just hope people are learning something.
I don't expect this site to yield the most referrals any how.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Who said anything about sales? I just hope people are learning something.
I don't expect this site to yield the most referrals any how.

Oh, they're learning. Learning that you are a scamming snake oil salesman.

How many people did you steal from with Monsterdrol-XT. Hint: anyone foolish enough to but it.

Check out the testing that was done on your snake oil. Interesting that it doesn't contain ANY ingredient it claims BUT it's got lead in it. Quality stuff you're selling, Contagion.

This company has been very pro-active on the boards as of late and this newest product addition Monsterdrol-XT is the main reason I decided to go ahead and have their product line tested to be sure that this stuff is legit. Personally, I don’t care for clone companies like ****, but it is so common now in the industry that I have learned to accept it, but for a company to deliberately sell product that is under dosed, contaminated and missing the active ingredients listed on the label is downright wrong.

By the test results posted Monsterdrol-XT does not contain any of the 3 compounds listed on the label, not even in trace amounts. It does, however, contain:

3 unidentified compounds which specifically have been ruled out as being a match to anything listed on the label:



****0.5mg caffeine [not listed on the label]

****0.5mg (trace amount) of DHEA [not listed on the label]

****0.5mg (trace amount) of 2?,17?-Dimethyletiocholan-3-one, 17?-ol - (superdrol) [not listed on the label]

****AND LEAD in high enough amounts to be of concern, oh and also [not listed on the label]
https://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/164162-alert-lab-test.html

Before you get excited and say NTBM doesn't sell Monster-XT, I'll point out this post:

So To make things clear.
I own Needtobuildmuscle and I also own Rlssupplements with another Partner. Needtobuildmusce however does not own RLS. I dont own nor does NTBM own Mrsupps.com http://www.afboard.com/forum/showthread.php?40847-Check-out-this-site-i-didn-t-realize-how-deep-needto-s-scam-really-went&p=583903&viewfull=1#post583903

 

[toolman]

Lol. I've already accomplishing my mission I see. You really should re-read over these threads and see what you are missing. You've said the same thing over and over again, I am beginning to think you have Tourette's or some form or OCD. That's OK brotha, we can be partners in crime. You have to be a real impulsive individual though, like me.

If your mission was to show the world how an uneducated young man who still lives with his parents behaves, then you have done a disservice to them everywhere.

Good to see that once we correct your grammar, you tell others that this is important. Then CBS properly identifies that you are mentally ill, so now you do the same to others. You truly are pathetic little man. I don't know who I feel worse for...you or your parents. Can you be original or will that mean all you know how to do is call people "gay" or "porn watchers" or all the other school yard antics your limited intellect considered witty?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Here is more insight -Nathan Chase aka needtogetaas is a fraud.... - Peak-Muscle.com

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MR. BMJ
Moderator


Nathan Chase aka needtogetaas is a fraud....
This guy is a fake and a fraud and lies about his credentials. For example, he wrote this about himself and his qualifications:

Quote:
In this day and age you can find just about anything you want to know about bodybuilding, weight lifting and anabolic steroids on the internet. There are discussion boards, articles, studies, information sites, books, and so much more. All of this is right at your finger tips and only a few clicks away.

Chemical Muscle enhancement is no exception. Information on steroids, research chemicals, pro-hormones, supplements is everywhere you look. With a few key strokes one can find information on where to get them, how to get them, when to use them, what they do, why they do it, and so on. The problem is not that there is not enough information, its that there is too much information, coming from too many different people and too many sites. Often you find your self sifting through pages upon pages of possible answers to your questions and the end result leaves you confused, overwhelmed, and just plain unsure of what to do.

Needless to say, most of us need a little help whether we want to admit it or not. We need someone that has been in the same position, someone who understands our informational needs and can weed out the good info from the bad for us. Some one who knows all the in's and out's of the industry. A person that everyone trust because his word has been tested over and over again and every time it stands like a rock. We all want some one we can trust with out hard earned cash and how to find that person is by looking at who others trust. I am that person!

In an effort to help people get the information they need to accomplish their goals I am offering my services to the public through a outstanding training program called the Powerhouse Progress Principles. Or 3-p for short.

I call it the Powerhouse Progress Principles because in order for one to achieve above avg progress they must have a powerhouse set of Principles. These Principles can be applied to all aspects of life and not just body transformations. With the right morals,Principles,dedication, and drive one can achieve greatness and make powerful things happen in there life.

My name is Nathan chase and people know me on many fitness and steroid forums as Needtogetaas. Through time, hard work and integrity, I have earned the title of EXT Elite Moderator on one of the largest fitness forums in the world. A title that is an honor in and of itself. My resume offers a wide variety of attributes that make I think make me a perfect candidate to Train you and help you reach all of your life long goals.

Please allow me to List my accomplishments and qualifications to you.

1. Years of study and practical knowledge in the field of chemical enhancement
2. Years of personal experience with the effects of chemical enhancement, steroids, supplements, peptides, and research chemicals .
3. Proven ability to mentor people in accomplishing their goals through the use of chemical enhancing compounds and supplements.
4. Years of being an active member in the AAS community resulting in an unwavering respect for my advice.
5. Known for being on the cutting edge of new and better AAS and supplements.
6. A masters degree in Culinary Arts (Cambridge School of Culinary Arts) and published other of "The Anabolic Kitchen" sold world wide.
7. Associates degree in small business Management.(Massachusetts Institute of Technology).
8. Owner of 4 successful businesses in various industries. Supplements,Media management,MMA/sports, and writing.
9. Certificates in the following: Organic chemistry.Organic Chemistry II,Advanced Organic Chemistry,and Synthetic Organic Chemistry II
10. 6 years of self edification for every topic from
training and diet to advanced steroid and chemical enhancement
11. Mentored by industry leaders.
12. 4 Years US ARMY. List of training
A. US Army Airborn training
B. Us Army jungle training
C. US army Air assault training
D Us army Ranger Indoctrination Program (RIP)
G. US Army Food service training and advanced Culinary Arts training.
H. US army Hosp food service and nutrition specialist ( US Amry Academy of Health Sciences)



With My 3-p Training program you get it all. I have what it takes to train you,motivate you, and set you on a path to greatness.

Do you need help designing your next cycle? Are you tired of trying to weed through all the information to decide what’s right for YOU? Tired of getting conflicting advice? My program is not just for the beginner, its for anyone who needs their questions answered the RIGHT way. Stop wasting your time! Get the information that works and is TAILORED just for YOU now!

This program includes:
1.1 Hour on the phone with Me nathan chase.
2. 3 Months and 24 Hour access to My 3-p training forum.
3. A custom step by step designed cycle plan with PCT to suit your goals.
4. Personalized mentorship by Myself every step of the way until your cycle is complete. From start to finish
5. Discounts to get just about any kind of supplement you need or want form many different suppliers.
6. A full work out and diet and diet plan just for you and
I walk you through your plan day by day every step of the way.

To enroll in the 3-p training program simple place the 3-p training program pack into your cart and process your order. Then contact me ether on the needtobuildmuscle.net forums ( user name needtogetaas) or call me at my help desk number (978 378 4266).

I cant wait to help you change your life and I am always waiting for your call 24 hours a day. I look forward to working with you.
CEO Needtobuildmuscle.com
Nathan chase.

Well it just so happens that one of my good friends, who was one of the first mods on EF back in 2000, is a real legit RANGER, and when he and his Ranger boys got wind of this, they checked it out, and let's just say they weren't too happy about it....

Here is a 72 page thread over at AFboard, but i'll send a link starting on the last 4-5 pages...though you are welcome to read the whole thing and get a good laugh:
http://www.afboard.com/forum/showthr...updated/page69

Quote:
Speaking of Nathan Chase former Army Ranger...this gem is from my boys

"Sorry I haven't been on in a long time. This kid was kicked out of the Army. I was his building coordinator in Italy and lived right above him. He was a short fat fucker that smelled really bad and was constantly sent home to change his clothes . He received an Article 15 something involving our Italian neighbor kids and also he had a domestic abuse charge against him. I remember this shit head very well."

"I just read some more on this guy. I can personally tell you he never went to jungle warfare training or Air Assault. If I remember right he did go to Rip, but quit and is airborne qualified. Other than that I can't tell you about the other schools. He was kicked out as a E-3 and didn't serve 4 years."

Please believe me, this is gospel and copy/pasted from a Ranger Honor board I belong to (where you must be both vetted and validated). I can assure you that we take valor stealers and poser very seriously and Mr. Chase quit, was kicked out of the military and IS NOT nor was he EVER a man of honor...

Ranger <-----A real one at that.

heh heh heh....enjoy the info folks.

Quote:
Took awhile, but when we start looking at posers we go to our RSTB (Ranger Special Training Brigade) where all Ranger records are stored, and have been since 1953...not to mention a few other righteous Brothers who have access to "other" means of obtaining documentation. We are a small tight-nit group and take our Brotherhood very seriously. This guy is a poser, a thunder stealer...and in military terms, a shitbag.

Ranger

Quote:
...and should Mr. Chase choose to dispute this information, I can direct him to our special board where he can provide his DD214 and other documentation to receive validation. But I do not see that happening. And any altered DD214 will be validated through the FOIA. Just a heads up to this shitbag should he try...heh heh heh

Ranger

In response to his resume and further work....

Quote:
Now, this raises alarms among my group...so we contacted Nathan and asked questions. Here is what was asked, and what he answered (And this is word for word--his words):

Sent him this e-mail.

Hey buddy. I was looking at your site, which was recommended by a bro of mine. Looks like some good stuff and I'm always willing support the business of a fellow Ranger.

I was in 1st Batt from '99 to '01 and I knew a bunch of the cooks. Which Batt were you in? I'm sure that we have some shared acquaintances, especially since the Ranger community is so small.

I'm still kind of poking around your website, trying to figure out what to order that will fit my needs. Maybe your could spare a Ranger buddy a little advice.

Drop me an e-mail when you get a chance.

Thanks.

When he counters with his 173rd bullshit, I'll let him know that I was there too and ask the same questions in a totally friendly and non-threatening manner.

Sent this today, let's see if I can get some more info to go on here.

Following:


2004? Oh shit you're a young Ranger. I got out in '92! LoL

I'll definitely check out your website/store more when I get a chance. 'Preciate the discount!

So if I'm reading this right, you went to 173rd, does that mean you didn't make it thru RIP? Or did you graduate RIP and they sent you to Italy in place of one of the Batts? Remember now I'm quite a bit older so things may have changed drastically since I was in, lol, just curious how these young Rangers get handled compared to the old school.

I was involved in the invasion of Panama back in '89, did you get deployed at all overseas for this terrorism stuff? Mustve been crazy over there. I'd love to hear about it if you can say, if it's still classified I understand. Well cool man, looking for- ward to hearing from you. I owe you a beer some night for your service.

RLTW!


Nathan's reply:


Ohh you guys are going to love this. I should've been a fly fisherman. He answered me today, he is 100% pure poser.

See following email I received:

"It means I made it through rip but not sure if it has changes since you were in. Rip is only "ranger Initiation program" After this you get sent on to your duty station and your not a ranger unless you "make list" Ie your name comes up on the list and they call you up to go back for the 2nd round of training and then only then are you a ranger... I only did 1 4 year Tour and a year and a half of this was spent in training. My name never came up on list so no I was never a full ranger so never sent to a ranger company...

I was to go to 18th core in brag but they changed this and sent me to 173rd Italy Airborne. I air born jumped into curcook Iraq and went all over from there but this is as much as I can say about my time In Iraq ."


The truth.....


First off, we jumped into Bashur (which is what his jump log would say) not Kirkuk (it's never transliterated as curcook). We didn't get into Kirkuk until about 2 weeks after the jump.

We keep track of shit like that in the 173rd Italy Airborne.


Also, once you pass RIP....and RIP was changed to RASP (another fuck up for Nathan)...you automatically go to your respective Ranger Battalion, not a Ranger Company. Mr. Chase was also not on any jump manifests with any Ranger Battalion or the 173rd, combat or otherwise. Mr. Chase also claims the following:


Nathan's own words:

"I was to go to 18th core in brag but they changed this and sent me to 173rd Italy Airborne. I air born jumped into curcook Iraq and went all over from there but this is as much as I can say about my time In Iraq ."

Now you ex-military guys--think about this. How many times has any fucking cooks made a combat jump under fire into enemy territory? We have what is called MRE's, meaning...we carry our chow with us. Where the fuck would a damn cook, cook? Kinda hard to scramble some fucking eggs while some camel fucker is snapping caps at your ass.

As for his claims of going to MIT....something else to ponder:

This was a little something we Brothers looked into as well....a conversation between myself and another Brother--


Ranger Mingo Kane, that's good news. Please do keep digging for more. I'm an unknown on those sites so if you are a known member that will give us more credence towards them listening.

Once we get this set up for the drop if you could hit those sights in the same day with our 'info packet' on this clown we can crash down all his walls at once so he doesn't have time to react.

I have a contact at MIT, I'm going to see what he can tell me about his 'attendance' there, if at all. I don't want him to violate any school rules on personel so if not, I'll at least see if that degree has any validity.


The results:


The Sloan school of management (MIT) does not offer any two year degree options and let's not forget that MIT is fairly cost prohibitive in general (Currently $ 50,000+ a year). I would guarantee that any of the students who attend are from wealthy families or loaded up on scholarship money.

I guess going to MIT and earning a degree will land you a great job, pimping substandard products from a shitty one bedroom apartment.....

And lastly, this is a e-mail I received from a ex-EF Mod on a one Mr. Nathan Chase:


"Bro, the rabbit holes goes much deeper than just the military with him. Dude has planted so many knives in people's back that eventually he is going to fall by the wayside when it comes back to him.

I don't know if it is true, but the FDA is looking into his supplement line for false labels and claims. And it won't be long before the IRS starts catching up with him because most of the money from the last two years were payments to him from the supplement companies run by Uncle Z for advertising work he did and it was all cash, he never claimed it. And I know he was hitting them for about 6K EACH per month.

Shit will be baddddd for him on down the road. With the military, he claims he was a cook there and that he "got stupid" and spells like he does when a IED went off and blew up his vehicle. Figure that one out... as I don't know why the cook from camp needs to be riding with the ground forces on missions."

And this is from a (Mod at EF) who never served in the military and can see this guy (Nathan Chase) is a bullshitter...

Any more questions...feel free to ask. I have nothing but time and I have the patience of a fucking oyster.

Class dismissed....

Ranger

 

[corageon]

Oh, they're learning. Learning that you are a scamming snake oil salesman.

How many people did you steal from with Monsterdrol-XT. Hint: anyone foolish enough to but it.

Check out the testing that was done on your snake oil. Interesting that it doesn't contain ANY ingredient it claims BUT it's got lead in it. Quality stuff you're selling, Contagion.

Before you get excited and say NTBM doesn't sell Monster-XT, I'll point out this post:

I am going to state a fact now, and this is not for demonstration or to save my own ass, but so people know not to live in fear every second. First off, that study was flawed, the sensitivity was deemed to be off. There were other variables that distorted the outcome besides that even.

Second, your large quote proved absolutely nothing. No relevance.

Also, PA had this to say.

well then we are all ****ed because everything has lead in it. They can detect it down to just a few parts per billion now. at that sensitivity of detection you will find lead in everything.

Thats why the EPA has thresholds

My friend was one of the inventors of a hand held lead detector that is about to hit the market and it can detect down to like 4 ppb or something

 

[Mike Oxbig]

I found a picture of the guy. For someone that boasts years of AAS/PED use he looks a little big boned.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I am going to state a fact now, and this is not for demonstration or to save my own ass, but so people know not to live in fear every second. First off, that study was flawed, the sensitivity was deemed to be off. There were other variables that distorted the outcome besides that even.

Second, your large quote proved absolutely nothing. No relevance.

ROTFLMFAO!!!! That what every snake oil salesman says!! "Oh, the test was no good" You are a joke!

Also, PA had this to say.

well then we are all ****ed because everything has lead in it. They can detect it down to just a few parts per billion now. at that sensitivity of detection you will find lead in everything.

Thats why the EPA has thresholds

My friend was one of the inventors of a hand held lead detector that is about to hit the market and it can detect down to like 4 ppb or something

So what, your product didn't contain ANY of its claimed ingredients!

Hell, I can go to my local tire shop and get old wheel weights to chew on for free - and it will give me the SAME RESULTS AS YOUR BUNK - NOTHING!

 

[Dr JIM]

And with your last post CBS, Contagion has become the largest farce to EVER post on Meso!

The crap your propping as legit is utterly pathetic clown!

Have you no conscience, morals, principles?

Nope doc I'm just one crazy Fuck!