HCG Thoughts

[BT83]

Fellas what EVER YOU DO, DON'T LISTEN TO THIS FOOL who refers to himself as Contagion *(AKA Corageon)!

He's a damn fool with a financial interest in those "supplements" he continues to push on Meso yet which have NO proven efficacy.

What Testosterone ester are you cycling with?
List the HCG schedule you intend to follow?
Is TT the ONLY AAS your cycling?

POST those answers and I can provide you fellas with a more informed reply, BUT SHIT anyone or anything is better than that idiot Contagion!!!

jim

---Cypionate
---Currently in last month of testosterone injections (started two wks ago 250ius of hcg q mwf). After two weeks of zero testosterone and hcg I will initiate clomid and nolva. Testicular atrophy is still present.
---Testosterone cypionate is only AAS I am currently on.

Thanks for the reply

 

[corageon]

---Cypionate
---Currently in last month of testosterone injections (started two wks ago 250ius of hcg q mwf). After two weeks of zero testosterone and hcg I will initiate clomid and nolva. Testicular atrophy is still present.
---Testosterone cypionate is only AAS I am currently on.

Thanks for the reply

You didn't increase the hCG yet? Go to 500 iu or even 1000...some have done even more than that. There's a lot of options like I said though. Just gotta do your research, instead of listening to the narrow-minded.

PM me if you need anything else. Got a hella lot of resources if ya need em.

 

[toolman]

You didn't increase the hCG yet? Go to 500 iu or even 1000...some have done even more than that. There's a lot of options like I said though. Just gotta do your research, instead of listening to the narrow-minded.

PM me if you need anything else. Got a hella lot of resources if ya need em.

Here goes the snake oil salesmen trying to sell his crap. By the way again little man, your contractions are wrong. It isn't "there's a lot of options" as you typed. Options are plural so the contraction would be they're as in there are, not there is.

He is right, do your research and search his posts to see all of his many claims that have been aptly ridiculed as bullshit.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Here goes the snake oil salesmen trying to sell his crap. By the way again little man, your contractions are wrong. It isn't "there's a lot of options" as you typed. Options are plural so the contraction would be they're as in there are, not there is.

He is right, do your research and search his posts to see all of his many claims that have been aptly ridiculed as bullshit.

Contagion is spamming to sell snake oil. It might be time to alert Millard to this flagrant violation of the rules.

 

[Dr JIM]

OP many apologies for that lame distraction called Contagion!

If you choose to use intra-cycle HCG it would be most helpful towards the END.

When is HCG most beneficial? Again after your cycle has ended (or perhaps a week or two prior if you choose.

Why? 1) Because elevated exogenous TT levels blunts it's effectiveness
2) Because the response to HCG (manifested as rising TT levels) is the
BEST means of determining the restoration of gonadal function
responsiveness, to gonadotropins in particular
3) PCT (using SERMS) should only begin when testicular function has
"normalized"

So when should SERM mediated PCT commence?
1) Only after the influence of exogenous androgens on the HTPA approaches ZERO, ideally.

When will the latter occur?
1) After no LESS THAN THREE half lives have passed for the
LONGEST acting AAS in a particular cycle

What about ME?
Since the half life for T-c is 5-7 days, PCT should begin NO SOONER
than 14-21 days AFTER your LAST T-c injection!

What do I do between days 0-21 post cycle?
THATS WHEN HCG IS MOST EFFECTIVE, MATE!

GOT IT, FELLA?

JIM

 

[corageon]

Here goes the snake oil salesmen trying to sell his crap. By the way again little man, your contractions are wrong. It isn't "there's a lot of options" as you typed. Options are plural so the contraction would be they're as in there are, not there is.

He is right, do your research and search his posts to see all of his many claims that have been aptly ridiculed as bullshit.

Actually, search my posts to find out they are 98% HQ posts, offering valid information and very well spoken points.

 

[BT83]

OP many apologies for that lame distraction called Contagion!

If you choose to use intra-cycle HCG it would be most helpful towards the END.

When is HCG most beneficial? Again after your cycle has ended (or perhaps a week or two prior if you choose.

Why? 1) Because elevated exogenous TT levels blunts it's effectiveness
2) Because the response to HCG (manifested as rising TT levels) is the
BEST means of determining the restoration of gonadal function
responsiveness, to gonadotropins in particular
3) PCT (using SERMS) should only begin when testicular function has
"normalized"

So when should SERM mediated PCT commence?
1) Only after the influence of exogenous androgens on the HTPA approaches ZERO, ideally.

When will the latter occur?
1) After no LESS THAN THREE half lives have passed for the
LONGEST acting AAS in a particular cycle

What about ME?
Since the half life for T-c is 5-7 days, PCT should begin NO SOONER
than 14-21 days AFTER your LAST T-c injection!

What do I do between days 0-21 post cycle?
THATS WHEN HCG IS MOST EFFECTIVE, MATE!

GOT IT, FELLA?

JIM

Thanks for the reply. So what suggestions do you have if I started HCG two weeks ago? Should I stop testosterone injections now and up the hcg? My last test injection was 02/23.

thanks

 

[MuskleSimpson]

CAN SOMEONE START A NEW THREAD..and just put everything about this fake as lame motherfucker claiming all that bullshit about being a ranger and then..now trying to sell fake supplements..!!! And spamming known fake shit. (needs to be banned)

Its one thing to sell sub standard or even fake supplements ok another scammer...but damnnnn all of that other stuff guy lol really?

TO LIE ABOUT BEING A MILITARY RANGER is another whole ballpark.

I think when someone starts lying compulsively or continuing the same lie over and over...it becomes easy and being a liar becomes part of them.
Someone needs Jesus.

 

[Dr JIM]

OP you MAY need to start formal HCG therapy to enable endogenous TT production.

The dose ranges from as much as 2500IU QOD to 1000IU QD.

However if your dose of T-c was only the 250mg /week it's probably not necessary at such a low dose of TT and at your age.

Personally I suggest you wait until day 14 after your last pinning and start HCG at 1000IU QOD. (I'm only suggesting that since you started it)

 

[BT83]

OP you MAY need to start formal HCG therapy to enable endogenous TT production.

The dose ranges from as much as 2500IU QOD to 1000IU QD.

However if your dose of T-c was only the 250mg /week it's probably not necessary at such a low dose of TT and at your age.

Personally I suggest you wait until day 14 after your last pinning and start HCG at 1000IU QOD. (I'm only suggesting that since you started it)

Thanks for your replies and the PM. I will let you know how everything goes. I genuinely appreciate it.

 

[MR10X]

OP many apologies for that lame distraction called Contagion!

If you choose to use intra-cycle HCG it would be most helpful towards the END.

When is HCG most beneficial? Again after your cycle has ended (or perhaps a week or two prior if you choose.

Why? 1) Because elevated exogenous TT levels blunts it's effectiveness
2) Because the response to HCG (manifested as rising TT levels) is the
BEST means of determining the restoration of gonadal function
responsiveness, to gonadotropins in particular
3) PCT (using SERMS) should only begin when testicular function has
"normalized"

So when should SERM mediated PCT commence?
1) Only after the influence of exogenous androgens on the HTPA approaches ZERO, ideally.

When will the latter occur?
1) After no LESS THAN THREE half lives have passed for the
LONGEST acting AAS in a particular cycle

What about ME?
Since the half life for T-c is 5-7 days, PCT should begin NO SOONER
than 14-21 days AFTER your LAST T-c injection!

What do I do between days 0-21 post cycle?
THATS WHEN HCG IS MOST EFFECTIVE, MATE!

GOT IT, FELLA?

JIM

Wouldnt total doses have a lot to do with when you start PCT,the higher the doses the longer you have to wait untill it has cleared your system,ie 1000mg of AAS total will take longer than 500 mg of the same ester using Test E or C as an example.

 

[Dr JIM]

No doubt the dose will have an impact, especially when the UPPER LIMIT variability is considerable. However, half life is used because it accounts for the "esterification" differences in AAS physiologic clearance and provides a baseline for estimating the onset of PCT for most BB and lifters since it is also the most accurate means of determining the "active life" of an AAS.

Lets look at three mates using AAS, each doubling the others dose.
Take T-c with a half life of FIVE DAYS assume a T-c concentration target of "62" to begin PCT
1000 ----500 ---250--- 125--- 62.5
500 --- 250 ---125 --- 62 ---- 30
250 ---- 125 ---- 62.5 --- 15

AS you can see, when the dose doubles the waiting period needed for OPTIMAL PCT is extended by one additional half life!

jim

 

[corageon]

No doubt the dose will have an impact, especially when the UPPER LIMIT variability is considerable. However, half life is used because it accounts for the "esterification" differences in AAS physiologic clearance and provides a baseline for estimating the onset of PCT for most BB and lifters since it is also the most accurate means of determining the "active life" of an AAS.

Lets look at three mates using AAS, each doubling the others dose.
Take T-c with a half life of FIVE DAYS assume a T-c concentration target of "62" to begin PCT
1000 ----500 ---250--- 125--- 62.5
500 --- 250 ---125 --- 62 ---- 30
250 ---- 125 ---- 62.5 --- 15

AS you can see, when the dose doubles the waiting period needed for OPTIMAL PCT is extended by one additional half life!

jim

Do you really think it needs to be cut that close???
An additional day after the ending of cycle and based on active life all makes sense, at the same time, it wouldn't be THAT much of a problem if say, one day earlier after it would be out of the system, on estimate. If you wanna be that precise though, it makes sense. Personally, I am pretty perfectionistic, so most of the time I will add one or even two days, but there times when I have cut it by one day short. Ofc, it wasn't Just T-c, rather it was large stack. Cutting Stack.

 

[Dr JIM]

The difference in that example was one or two weeks NOT days.

 

[MR10X]

The next question is whats the approximate half life of Test E.I searched high and low but it varies a lot.I know it depends on your metabolism and varies a little bit from person to person,i use 7 days as an estimate for E.Do you know of a good half life chart thats a good to use for the different esters.

 

[corageon]

The difference in that example was one or two weeks NOT days.

I got ya, just re-read it

 

[toolman]

I got ya, just re-read it

If your getting anyone...explain these claims of yours on this and other sites:

- Claimed to be an Army Ranger (was a proven lie).
- Claims to be educated in medicine (but is a math major community college dropout.)
-Claims to be a body builder (at 5'6" and 160 lbs.)
-Claims to be a blogger with hundreds of thousands of followers ( yet he can't write or spell let alone conjugate verbs correctly.)
- claimed to gain 26lbs in a couple weeks on his snake oil
- Claims to have multiple aliases on many boards where he is well respected (Yet not one of his many supporters have shown up to rain down upon us as he threatened.) also why would anyone need multiple aliases If you weren't a scamming snake oil salesmen that gets called out by those that know.
- Claims to be a tough guy (we all know how impressive internet tough guys are.)
- He is only getting in all these flame wars and posting his BS responses as he wants a high post count (Finally truth from him but how sad.)

 

[corageon]

If your getting anyone...explain these claims of yours on this and other sites:

- Claimed to be an Army Ranger (was a proven lie).
- Claims to be educated in medicine (but is a math major community college dropout.)
-Claims to be a body builder (at 5'6" and 160 lbs.)
-Claims to be a blogger with hundreds of thousands of followers ( yet he can't write or spell let alone conjugate verbs correctly.)
- claimed to gain 26lbs in a couple weeks on his snake oil
- Claims to have multiple aliases on many boards where he is well respected (Yet not one of his many supporters have shown up to rain down upon us as he threatened.) also why would anyone need multiple aliases If you weren't a scamming snake oil salesmen that gets called out by those that know.
- Claims to be a tough guy (we all know how impressive internet tough guys are.)
- He is only getting in all these flame wars and posting his BS responses as he wants a high post count (Finally truth from him but how sad.)

LOL. Your tourette's syndrome and delusions are really bad bro, get back to the Psych Doc![)]

 

[toolman]

LOL. Your tourette's syndrome and delusions are really bad bro, get back to the Psych Doc![)]

That's what I figured...clown laugh for a clowns claims.

 

[corageon]

That's what I figured...clown laugh for a clowns claims.

Incorrect. I am the Joker, you are the peasant Clown.[)]