Why do I need HCG for restart?

[bananas]

Hypothetically speaking lets say my testicles are working just not getting the right LH signal and hence have shrunken. If such is the case, why do I need to wake them up with HCG. Why cant I just wake them up with clomid and see how they do.
For eg. 25 mg / day for one month and see where my test levels are??
Than slowly taper off clomid?

 

[corageon]

Hypothetically speaking lets say my testicles are working just not getting the right LH signal and hence have shrunken. If such is the case, why do I need to wake them up with HCG. Why cant I just wake them up with clomid and see how they do.
For eg. 25 mg / day for one month and see where my test levels are??
Than slowly taper off clomid?

hCG works quicker, and through a different pathway. For whatever reason it's able to more efficiently regulate/elevate progesterone to normal levels.
Clomid is merely a SERM, it can improve the hypothalamic functions, but it tends to have a lot of sides.

 

[bananas]

hCG works quicker, and through a different pathway. For whatever reason it's able to more efficiently regulate/elevate progesterone to normal levels.
Clomid is merely a SERM, it can improve the hypothalamic functions, but it tends to have a lot of sides.

You will have to use clomid regardless after your HCG run, than why not just use clomid?

 

[corageon]

You will have to use clomid regardless after your HCG run, than why not just use clomid?

Why are you not using an AI with clomid, you realize you are taking a big chance of Estrogen dominance right???

At least throw in an AI, the hCG will help supersaturate the LH and provide an acute increase in Testosterone. The point is for hCG to re-sensitise your testicles to produce Testosterone on their own. You want both pituitary and peripheral LH production, not one or the other. Homeostasis, ya Feel me?

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

Why are you not using an AI with clomid, you realize you are taking a big chance of Estrogen dominance right???

At least throw in an AI, the hCG will help supersaturate the LH and provide an acute increase in Testosterone. The point is for hCG to re-sensitise your testicles to produce Testosterone on their own. You want both pituitary and peripheral LH production, not one or the other. Homeostasis, ya Feel me?

Using arimidex with clomid makes me feel awful. That's with high e2.

 

[Niero]

Sometimes we are over the top in gaining weight or body isn't in a good mode then having those drops can help us somehow.
So yeah a moderated amount of that can actually help us in staying away from fats.

 

[Niero]

Sometimes we are over the top in gaining weight or body isn't in a good mode then having those drops can help us somehow.
So yeah a moderated amount of that can actually help us in staying away from fats.

Anything else?

 

[MR10X]

You will have to use clomid regardless after your HCG run, than why not just use clomid?

You are correct,HCG will stimulate your balls but will increase E2,it will also surpress your HPTA and will take longer for it to recover.You could use Nolvadex while using HCG to block E2,but you wont start recovery untill you stop the HCG..

 

[toolman]

Why are you not using an AI with clomid, you realize you are taking a big chance of Estrogen dominance right???

At least throw in an AI, the hCG will help supersaturate the LH and provide an acute increase in Testosterone. The point is for hCG to re-sensitise your testicles to produce Testosterone on their own. You want both pituitary and peripheral LH production, not one or the other. Homeostasis, ya Feel me?

I doubt he wants to "feel" you contaigen. Perhaps he has learned what most of us have proven in many a thread. You are a community college drop out loser that at 5'6" and 160 lbs is trying to act as though you know what you are talking about with regard to bodybuilding or anything for that fact. Shouldn't you be out blogging to your self claimed hundreds of thousands of followers? I haven't seen anyone in here say anything about you other than you are an idiot. You get booted off the lesser forums and have nothing else to do?

 

[corageon]

I doubt he wants to "feel" you contaigen. Perhaps he has learned what most of us have proven in many a thread. You are a community college drop out loser that at 5'6" and 160 lbs is trying to act as though you know what you are talking about with regard to bodybuilding or anything for that fact. Shouldn't you be out blogging to your self claimed hundreds of thousands of followers? I haven't seen anyone in here say anything about you other than you are an idiot. You get booted off the lesser forums and have nothing else to do?

You are very blind then. lol look @ my Profile.. it's real Easy. Just click the link..
oh wait you're too stupid for that, click~Corageon~

see I made it convenient for you.
Now stats show more of anything...
so please, do sit down.


[popcorn]

 

[toolman]

You are very blind then. lol look @ my Profile.. it's real Easy. Just click the link..
oh wait you're too stupid for that, click~Corageon~

see I made it convenient for you.
Now stats show more of anything...
so please, do sit down.


[popcorn]

I do believe that you are not only a tiny loser, but you actually start to believe your delusion. Never fear tiny man...we will make sure all the newcomers know you are full of shit.

 

[corageon]

I do believe that you are not only a tiny loser, but you actually start to believe your delusion. Never fear tiny man...we will make sure all the newcomers know you are full of shit.

We will see, but I assure you, you are the only one spewing bullshit.
My posts are legit and HQ. Have fun rolling out a campaign that will only destroy any good reputation you have left...fool.

 

[corageon]

I do believe that you are not only a tiny loser, but you actually start to believe your delusion. Never fear tiny man...we will make sure all the newcomers know you are full of shit.

Btw, if you think your sooo big and bad TM, why don't you show us what you look like. You certainly talk a lotta shit...where are your logs?
Anything to show off? I'm curious.

 

[toolman]

Btw, if you think your sooo big and bad TM, why don't you show us what you look like. You certainly talk a lotta shit...where are your logs?
Anything to show off? I'm curious.

I thought you were a hacker genius and knew all about me. You little punk, so full of shit that you forget your own claims. Those of us with real lives don't bother bragging about what we have and are little man. It is only the internet and as such, full of little wannabe and pretend bad asses like yourself.

You come in here to play doctor and pretend what you aren't, at all hours of the day mind you, because you are a sad little man that has no real life. The world is full of your type...I am only sorry you found this place. I see from all the negative feedback you are getting in just about all your threads, that enough now know what you are. That is why you have to change handles and hide IP's. Who bothers to do that unless they are hiding and up to no good. You really are pathetic but the sad thing is, you do not see it. I pity your poor parents.

 

[corageon]

I thought you were a hacker genius and knew all about me. You little punk, so full of shit that you forget your own claims. Those of us with real lives don't bother bragging about what we have and are little man. It is only the internet and as such, full of little wannabe and pretend bad asses like yourself.

You come in here to play doctor and pretend what you aren't, at all hours of the day mind you, because you are a sad little man that has no real life. The world is full of your type...I am only sorry you found this place. I see from all the negative feedback you are getting in just about all your threads, that enough now know what you are. That is why you have to change handles and hide IP's. Who bothers to do that unless they are hiding and up to no good. You really are pathetic but the sad thing is, you do not see it. I pity your poor parents.

TM. You obviously have almost NO confidence in yourself, you keep arguing with me, which shows you are a low-life pessimistic, false gear head. In other words...you have no power at all. You feel lonely in this world so you go after someone who you KNOW is more intellectual, and also physically stronger than you. You hide the inevitable truth by making it look like (through this barrage of ridicule), I'm the weak one. In reality, you are the most pathetic TROLL on here, that anybody has ever seen.

 

[toolman]

TM. You obviously have almost NO confidence in yourself, you keep arguing with me, which shows you are a low-life pessimistic, false gear head. In other words...you have no power at all. You feel lonely in this world so you go after someone who you KNOW is more intellectual, and also physically stronger than you. You hide the inevitable truth by making it look like (through this barrage of ridicule), I'm the weak one. In reality, you are the most pathetic TROLL on here, that anybody has ever seen.

We have all read your posts little man. Your grammar and inability to spell prior to using your spell/grammar check clearly showed what level your intellect (or lack of one) is.You have posted almost as many posts that I have in the last 4 years in your few short months so we know you have no life. You are a sad, little man that enjoys arguing with people on the internet because you are clearly bullied in real life and too much of a coward to speak up so you vent your frustrations in here. I would feel bad for you if you were not so pathetic...so instead rather than discuss your mothers genitals, as you like to do, I will only wish your parents my pity for their son ending up like you did.

 

[corageon]

We have all read your posts little man. Your grammar and inability to spell prior to using your spell/grammar check clearly showed what level your intellect (or lack of one) is.You have posted almost as many posts that I have in the last 4 years in your few short months so we know you have no life. You are a sad, little man that enjoys arguing with people on the internet because you are clearly bullied in real life and too much of a coward to speak up so you vent your frustrations in here. I would feel bad for you if you were not so pathetic...so instead rather than discuss your mothers genitals, as you like to do, I will only wish your parents my pity for their son ending up like you did.

LOL. yep you got it all right TM. [)][)]