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Evidently the US Govt not great at math.

The seizure occurred on Tuesday, Dec. 3, at the Juarez-Lincoln Bridge, when a CBP officer referred a 25-year-old female U.S. citizen driving a 2012 GMC Terrain for secondary inspection. Following a canine and non-intrusive inspection system examination, CBP officers discovered a total of 210 vials and 4,760 pills of testosterone and other steroids with a gross combined weight of 21 pounds hidden within the vehicle.

eh, maybe with someone leaning on scale.
 
There is India, but you need a LEGIT (not Panda legit) pharma license to order. LEGIT meaning you have actual production facilities/R&D and not just the legal paperwork
Alpha Pharma? They’d obtained the legal paperwork (which shows how corrupt India is), but not sure what else they had.
 
For poor people like myself... 120k is a couple years salary.....

For others only a month or two (thinking of high cost of living areas.)

incoming president’s primary interest is global trade, thus the threats of tariffs. Stopping the ingress of fentanyl also seems to be one of the primary goals.

One wonders how that will influence things. There’s an idea to gut the federal government, and if funds are unavailable for enforcement they may rely on the threat of tariffs to address the issue at the source. “Want access to the US market, then make the fentanyl stop.”

China is certainly going to counter in ways that it can, stopping the flow of rare minerals and such, but what does that mean for de minimus shipments, I wonder or even for AAS for which duties have been paid. At the very least it will create a great deal of volatility.
 
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I started out on TRT over ten years ago and went through six doctors, each adding their own personal brand of incompetence, ignorance, ego, and apathy. I eventually gave up and went with UGL and never looked back. It's not that I have any special knowledge. It's that none of them were willing to spend the time and energy to find what worked for me individually. Clinics are far more prevalent now, but I just never went back. The clinics are also way beyond conventional MD's in realizing quality of life matters, with some willing to push the envelope prescribing additional compounds. I always felt like I would eventually end up brewing my own. Only one throat to choke after verifying raws... mine.
My story as well!
 
What is likely going to happen to the driver, after the investigation is concluded?
Hopefully he/she/they will call Rick Collins and work out probation / house confinement with no priors. Just a guess. There are Federal charts with amounts of drugs and sentencing guidelines. I stay away from all that but one of our experts may be able to help.

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malfeasance

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What is likely going to happen to the driver, after the investigation is concluded?
If you watch the CBP shows. Often, theyre just let go with limited penalties/jail time. It's not nearly as bad as real narcos. Also, it depends on if they've been caught doing it before or not.
 
What is likely going to happen to the driver, after the investigation is concluded?

Very little. The amount she has falls into the sentencing level of around a few ounces of cannabis. Presumptive probation, unless she has a serious criminal history. More likely some sort of diversion to avoid a conviction if she has no other record

A large lab, serving a wide region in New England, with thousands of vials, pill presses, run by a twice convicted cocaine dealer, who continued to order manufacturing equipment after getting arrested and while awaiting trial, was sentenced by the feds not long ago to 3 years. Had he not been previously convicted, he'd likely have been given less than a year or probation.

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Very little. The amount she has falls into the sentencing level of around a few ounces of cannabis. Presumptive probation, unless she has a serious criminal history. More likely some sort of diversion to avoid a conviction if she has no other record

A large lab, serving a wide region in New England, with thousands of vials, pill presses, run by a twice convicted cocaine dealer, who continued to order manufacturing equipment after getting arrested and while awaiting trial, was sentenced by the feds not long ago to 3 years. Had he not been previously convicted, he'd likely have been given less than a year or probation.

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I often wonder how much first hand personal experience you have had dealing with the criminal justice system on a local state or federal level? Or perhaps how many friends tou have that have spent over half their life incarcerated due to the revolving door of pety offenses from once convicted?? For you to be so sure and confident of what the law states and how the prosecutors and judges use it and do to people whatever they want to?? I personally know several people that has gotten a sentence overturned for excessive sentencing.... after they served the time...
 
I often wonder how much first hand personal experience you have had dealing with the criminal justice system on a local state or federal level? Or perhaps how many friends tou have that have spent over half their life incarcerated due to the revolving door of pety offenses from once convicted?? For you to be so sure and confident of what the law states and how the prosecutors and judges use it and do to people whatever they want to?? I personally know several people that has gotten a sentence overturned for excessive sentencing.... after they served the time...

I have read hundreds of trial transcripts. I can read the law. I can read the sentencing guidelines.

The chart above was sent to me by Rick Collins, premier expert in US steroid law.

You can suggest that a crime involving a specific amount of a controlled substance can somehow result in a far higher sentence, that the law can be completely ignored, and the sentencing guidelines for a first offender involving a federal "level 10" federal crime, clearly defined, can be ignored and some horrific sentence, playing to the nightmares of the ignorant can be imposed, but what you can't do is
show proof.

All you can do is suggest that somehow, unlike all the public record examples, there are "secret" cases out there no one knows about, that have been suppressed, and there are prisoners rotting away for
decades for some low level steroid crime.

So let's see if. Put it on the fucking table.

Show me one god damn example of
a severe sentence for a low level steroid crime. Or even a high level crime involving steroids.

Show me, because I'm bringing facts. I can show the cases and their outcomes. All you can do is talk shit in ominous tones. I don't care how much "experience" you have in the can. It changes nothing.
 
but what you can't do is
show proof.

Agreed. Federal sentencing is very cut and dry unlike state sentencing. It’s a scale that’s very easy to understand. I grew up with people who spent half their lives in jail due to a litany of petty offenses and drug crimes, and you could easily calculate what their sentencing would be if they ate federal charges. State sentencing can be a fucking nightmare in some states, where the judge is given incredible powers to determine people’s fate. Ghoul is right here, unless the state has sealed superseding indictments they’re waiting to hit with.
 
Rick Collins opinion is easy to find on this matter if anyone on LinkedIn. Not me. Just heard from someone I know who goes there. I only go to AAS forums.
 
Agreed. Federal sentencing is very cut and dry unlike state sentencing. It’s a scale that’s very easy to understand. I grew up with people who spent half their lives in jail due to a litany of petty offenses and drug crimes, and you could easily calculate what their sentencing would be if they ate federal charges. State sentencing can be a fucking nightmare in some states, where the judge is given incredible powers to determine people’s fate. Ghoul is right here, unless the state has sealed superseding indictments they’re waiting to hit with.

Most important is the most obvious.

Criminal prosecutions aren't secret. Even at the state level, the rare (very rare) prosecutions involving steroids result in light sentences. There are no examples of low level steroid crimes, involving first offenders, getting time, or in most cases, even a conviction.

One thing that jumps out at you when reading the case documents...usually no one, not the cops, the prosecutors, or the judge has ever dealt with a steroid case. It's all new to them. A once in career kind of thing. That's how rare it is.

I'm not suggesting it wouldn't suck, badly, to be arrested and prosecuted, but the idea that this is some high priority, or harshly punished crime is ridiculous.

The guys that hit somewhat hard are repeat offenders.

They could round up a few thousand people a year from the raws seized by customs, but don't. Think a bag of fentanyl or cocaine would get the same level of disinterest? They would 100% go after the recipient.

PARTICULARLY for those who just possess for personal use and don't get involved in selling, there's very little to be concerned with.
 
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