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readalot
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[Ethyl oleate is a fatty acid ester used as a solvent for pharmaceutical drug preparations involving lipophilic substances such as steroids. In vivo studies have demonstrated that Ethyl oleate and other fatty acid esters are also rapidly hydrolyzed to ethanol and free fatty acid. Ethyl oleate is one of the fatty acid ethyl esters (FAEE) that is formed in the body after ingestion of ethanol. There is a growing body of research literature that implicates FAEEs such as ethyl oleate as the toxic mediators of ethanol in the body (pancreas, liver, heart, and brain). Among the speculations is that ethyl oleate may be the toxic mediator of alcohol in fetal alcohol syndrome. The oral ingestion of ethyl oleate has been carefully studied and due to rapid degradation in the digestive tract, it appears safe for oral ingestion. Ethyl oleate is not currently approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for any injectable use. However, it is used by compounding pharmacies as a vehicle for intramuscular drug delivery, in some cases to prepare the daily doses of progesterone in support of pregnancy. Studies which document the safe use of ethyl oleate in pregnancy for both the mother and the fetus have never been performed.]
Run a baseline hs-CRP lab when you aren't injecting EO, and then repeat when you're injecting at least several ml per week of Pharmacom oil or similar homebrew with significant EO content.
When I did this exercise, the EO coincided with the highest hs-CRP of my life (3.4 mg/dL). Removed it and tested a couple weeks later, back to my usual 0.5 - 0.6 mg/dL.
I just threw about 15 vials of EO-laden Pharmacom oils in the garbage.
As others have stated, it's time to get with the program, ditch the GSO/EO franken-oil and use something people actually want as a carrier like Miglyol 812.
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readalot
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Bump. Clapping.
To confirm, you guys are using stoppers that are chemically compatible with EO?
Stand those vials up folks.
Regarding the stopper material, Here is what is listed in the "Innovations" section on the Basicstero site (link in the code box below).
9. In our vials we do not use rubber caps, which can be damaged under oil impact with the time! As result tiny particles off the rubber can get off when inserting the needle and fall into oil or get into the needle causing dangerous to health consequences! Instead of rubber we use silicon caps, which do not have this shortcoming and are oil-resistant!
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https://basicstero.ws/innovationsFrom my own experience, every larger order is split into multiple packs.
Only so much can fit into one pack.
I just recieved an order recently and this was still the case.
On average, it seems that about 24 to 30 vials fit in one pack max and more after that must be split to another pack.
24 per individual pack seems like the most common situation I have experienced.
I’m honestly shocked you guys made it this long without increasing your prices. When China hosted the Olympics Games a few years back and production of raws were briefly interrupted you guys were the only ones to increase prices.
Only product containing ethyl oleate I can find is in Spain. TESTEX -Prolongatum
I am not able to find any other drug using Ethyl Oleate.
Also I am not able to find any study confirming the safety of ethyl oleate injected (Oral studies are not relevant as ethyl oleate seems to be degraded in the digestive track).
Something strange is that when I inject pharmacom stuff, after a couple of weeks I start feeling a fatigue (not too noticeable but I see the difference when I inject steroids using mct oil, but it might be only in my mind).
@Pharmacom : I would say that the lack of safety studies is rather concerning, and I don't really see the reason of using this stuff with GSO. If the vial comes crashed due to transport, I prefer to heat it, nothing wrong for me.
I am not able to find any other drug using Ethyl Oleate.
Also I am not able to find any study confirming the safety of ethyl oleate injected (Oral studies are not relevant as ethyl oleate seems to be degraded in the digestive track).
Something strange is that when I inject pharmacom stuff, after a couple of weeks I start feeling a fatigue (not too noticeable but I see the difference when I inject steroids using mct oil, but it might be only in my mind).
@Pharmacom : I would say that the lack of safety studies is rather concerning, and I don't really see the reason of using this stuff with GSO. If the vial comes crashed due to transport, I prefer to heat it, nothing wrong for me.
What's the verdict on the eo oil I used pharmacom labs test c a while ago and it was ok but idk man the inflammation stuff scares me.
Might just use a different lab but on the websites pharmacom labs is getting great reviews. What do you guys recommend honestly
Might just use a different lab but on the websites pharmacom labs is getting great reviews. What do you guys recommend honestly
Here is the most recent post from the source about EO that I can find.
Personally, I am not knowledgeable about this specific topic and I am trying to understand more; at this time I am neutral about it and do regularly use the products myself. Nonetheless, if/when the source survives the unfortunate situation with raws materials supply shortage, and the related very stressful time for the business (raw suppliers were recently shut down so that issue is by far the priority for the business right now; nothing else will matter if that situation does not get resolved), I plan to present the concerns about it and have a serious talk about the topic with my contacts at Basicstero.
Please see the quote below for Basicstero's current position on EO.
brutalbuilt
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i got intel that they already back in production... pharmacom just tryna make that $$
ironmonkey
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I don't have much of a stance on EO and until reading through the past few pages I didn't realise there was any health concerns associated.
For what its worth, for years I have used Pharmacom oils exclusively and i'm one who gets regular blood work checked.
As of now I am using their Test U CRP in my last blood work in October:
From around 2022 to 2023 i was using Pcom Primo 200from doses between 400 and 800 mg a week and Test E 300 (total oil per week would have been approx 3 to 6ml including testosterone)
below are my CRP for the blood tests I had during this time.
06/22
07/22
08/22
12/22
02/23
As you can see, the CRP level for August 2022 was slightly elevated, although still well within the normal range.
I recall noticing this at the time and researching potential causes. Minor elevations in CRP can occur for a variety of reasons, including minor injuries, bruising, or even a cold or flu.
At that time, I had a nasty bruise on my leg from playing sports, so I attributed the elevated CRP to that.
Out of curiosity, I reviewed my blood work from several years back form those dates above, and my CRP has consistently been less than 0.6 mg/L. I have always used Pcom oils during this period.
For the record, I have no particular stance on the toxicity of EO. I’m simply providing my feedback. To be honest, reading the last few pages raised some concerns and prompted me to review my historical CRP levels in my blood work.
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They are always showing their true colors. A while back I had their Deca tested and it tested poorly. Pcom said that Jano was not to be trusted and discarded my hplc. Ironically their rep has posted Jano hplc reports since my report. Guess as long as they like what they see Jano is a trusted testing facility.
readalot
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Thanks for sharing your methodical results.
Thank you for sharing these insightful details of your experience.
I have been using the products myself for about a decade now.
I wish I had data like this to better evaluate my own individual response but I didn't include CRP on my bloodworks; I did get bloodwork multiple times a year but it was mainly a pre-made bundle with CBC, Metabolic panel, Lipids, E2, and Free and total Test.
I thought about this same possibility or raws from India.
Pharmacom Labs has been around for about a couple decades now so I am sure they know more than I do about the available options, the industry as a whole, and how to run the business.
But, my guess is that the prices of India raws are likely much higher and the obstacle of importing them into the country where the manufacturing facility is located may be a very risky and difficult task.
Hopefully, I am wrong and there will be some good new options soon.
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Are you sure about this? When did Basicstero raise the prices?
Please allow me the opportunity to clarify Basicstero's price history and refresh your memory.
I reviewed Basicstero's price history using the internet archive Wayback Machine
Here in the first image we can see the prices in 2018, well before the 2022 Olympic Games that you mentioned.
For example, you can see the Basicstero International Warehouse price for a Testosterone Enanthate 300 mg/mL was $45 USD in 2018.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20180202223409/http://int.basicstero.ws/testosteronesThis second image shows the prices in January of 2023, after the Olympic Games. Aa you can see, the prices were still the same as they were in 2018.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20230128235319/https://basicstero.ws/injectablelineFinally, we have an example of the prices today in the last image.
Right now today, even after the recent cost increase, the Basicstero International Warehouse price for a Testosterone Enanthate 300 mg/mL is $38 USD, for instance.
I have been a customer with Basicstero for almost 10 years now and I do not recall ever seeing a comprehensive price increase in the store before last week's.
And, even after this recent increase, the international prices are still lower than what they were many years ago when I made my first order.
Everything else in the world costs more over time -- I am sure you have noticed in your own life when shopping or paying bills, and seen/heard on the news or in political debates, that inflation has been a significant concern in recent years.
Gas prices, housing costs, energy, transportation, groceries, etc...
ALL way up in prices.
I am sure you expect to make more money at your job next year than what you made last year -- who here declines getting a raise and just wants to work for the same pay year after year even though prices all around them go up?
Is Basicstero somehow immune to the rising costs and not part of the real world? Operational costs go up, shipping costs go up, workers pay goes up, but somehow, unlike all the other businesses in the world, like some magic, Basicstero shouldn't ever raise prices? why? how?
In addition to the typical inflation, the AAS industry just endured a massive loss of access to raw marials because of the chemical manufacture busts.
But even after this recent price increase in the Basicstero store, the prices are still lower for an international order than they were since I became a customer.
The prices are still lower today in the Basicstero International Warehouse than they were back in 2018 prior to the Olympic Games.
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