GCMS UGL vs. Compounded Rx

[TallandSmall]

Ordered @readalot ultimate Chinese reseller detection package (including GCMS, HPLC, BA/BB, Guaiacol) on UGL and Compounded RX Test C 200. UGL is in MCT oil and the compounded RX is in GSO. Compounded Rx was ordered though TRTNation and came from Anazao Health. I wanted to see if compounded was any better than UGL. Doesn’t look like it is. Compounded = 194 mg/ml. @Primal_Pharma = 204 mg/ml.

I am currently holding back some of the pages with the verification codes on them since they have some of them mislabeled. The sample pictures are correct and you can clearly see in the results which is which since they are in different carrier oils. I'll post the verification codes once they get it relabeled.

I fed the chemicals from the GCMS report into Chat GPT 5 so you don’t have to. Both UGL and Compounded RX have the same dienolone precursor contaminant/impurity/degradation product, just in different forms. Jano lists it as a Test C degradation product? Chat GPT didn’t think so, but I’d probably take Jano’s word over Chat GPT. It’s probably common at least if Jano classifies it that way. It appears in every Testosterone GCMS I've seen (not just these 2). The Compounded RX also appears to have some synthetic chemicals that aren’t naturally part of GSO. Some are likely excipients for injection comfort. Others are likely degradation products of GSO, possibly from the GCMS process itself.

My takeaway is that compounding pharmacies and UGLs probably get their raws from the same place. MCT oil is probably better than GSO for stability. @readalot didn't find heavy metals or endotoxins in his prior project and these GCMSs aren't showing anything weird in UGL. I won't be spending $200+ again on a vial of test from a cash clinic unless I nee to travel internationally.

I’d really like to see someone send in actual name brand pharma test for comparison. Maybe if there’s a little left over from the group fund @readalot . I’m curious if actual pharma has the dienolone precursor also. I don’t have the product to send though.

 

[TallandSmall]

Compounded:

9,12-Octadecadienoyl chloride, (Z,Z)- synthetic derivative of linoleic acid

10-Undecenoyl chloride – synthetic fatty acid

n-Hexadecanoic acid – component of GSO

Linoelaidic acid – trans fatty acid? Trans isomer of linoleic acid. Hydrogenated

cis-Vaccenic acid – animal fatty acid, not a component of GSO

Octadecanoic acid – stearic acid, component of GSO

1,E-6,Z-11-Hexadecatriene – oil degradation product? Possibly from GCMS process?

Dodecane, 1-cyclopentyl-4-(3-cyclopentylpropyl)- synthetic petrochemical? Oily at room temp. synthetic intermediary in organic chemistry? Impurity?

4,6-Androstadien-17.beta.-ol-3-one – prohormone of dienolone

Z,Z-3,13-Octadecedien-1-ol – oil degradation product? “So, if you’re looking at a GC–MS report of grapeseed oil and you see Z,Z-3,13-Octadecadien-1-ol listed, it’s likely due to trace contaminants, mis-annotation, or derivatization artifacts, not because it is a genuine major component of the oil.” “Most likely explanation in your case:
The GC–MS software matched an oxidized/fragmented linoleic acid derivative from the grapeseed oil to Z,Z-3,13-Octadecadien-1-ol. It’s not actually present in the testosterone cypionate preparation — it’s an artifact of analysis plus the database “best guess.””

(1R,2R,8S,8Ar)-8-hydroxy-1-(2-hydroxyethyl)-1,2,5,5-tetramethyl-cis-decalin - If you’re seeing this in a GC–MS library hit, it’s being identified as that precise stereoisomer of a tetramethyl cis-decalin diol. These kinds of molecules are structurally similar to terpenoids. “common in natural products and fragrance chemistry (terpenoid families)”

Linoleic acid ethyl ester – produced by reaction between GSO & ethanol. Formed in biodiesel production. Possibly from GCMS process.

UGL:

Glycerol tricaprylate – component of MCT oil

2-(Decanoyloxy)propane-1,3-diyl dioctanoate – component of MCT oil

3-(Octanoyloxy)propane-1,2-diyl bis(decanoate) - component of MCT oil

Decanoic acid, 1,2,3-propanetriyl ester – tricaprin, component of MCT oil

17.beta.-Acetoxyandrosta-4,6-dien-3-one – prohormone to dienolone

 

[TallandSmall]

Jano calls these Test C degradation products. ChatGPT says they are fully synthetic. I don't trust ChatGPT and it could be hallucinating, so I'll take Jano's word for it, but ChatGPT makes it sound like they are more likely manufacturing by-products than degradation products. I have no idea. I'm not a chemist.

Both 4,6-Androstadien-17β-ol-3-one and 17β-Acetoxyandrosta-4,6-dien-3-one belong to the androstadiene family of steroids. They’re very close in structure to dienolone and trenbolone, which explains why they appear in the “designer steroid” and “prohormone” world.

4,6-Androstadien-17β-ol-3-one is the active anabolic steroid.

17β-Acetoxyandrosta-4,6-dien-3-one is its acetate ester prodrug, designed for stability and slower release.

Both are synthetic, structurally related to dienolone/trenbolone, and have appeared in designer steroid supplements, not as natural metabolites.

The androstadiene family of steroids are synthetic anabolic steroids based on the C19 androstane backbone with two double bonds (dienes), usually at 4,6 or 4,9. They include compounds like 4,6-androstadien-17β-ol-3-one, its esters, dienedione, and dienolone analogs. They’re not natural metabolites but synthetic designer steroids made to mimic trenbolone- or nandrolone-like activity.

Not naturally occurring:

These compounds are fully synthetic.

 

[Photon]

Looks similar to other USDom
Glad to see more people doing GCMS.

Primal 250


Axle 300

 

[TallandSmall]

Looks similar to other USDom
Glad to see more people doing GCMS.

Primal 250
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Axle 300
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It looks like the acetate version of the dienolone precursor is more common. Now I’m curious what the difference is between getting the acetate version and the other version from my primal GCMS. Doubtful it makes a practical difference.

 

[Photon]

The main benefit of RX vs UGL is that you know what you get each time. With UGL, unless you test each batch, you have no idea what you got. Nothing is stopping vendors from swapping out bottles, mixing tested with untested gear, sending random junk, selective scamming etc. When you buy from UGL, you need to factor in testing cost.

Not everything can be tested either, they may have melted filters, plastic etc depending on how cheap their setup is. You can't possibly test them all and many things don't show up on GCMS.

Another US DOM vendor.
Same labels, but sending a different product.

 

[TallandSmall]

The main benefit of RX vs UGL is that you know what you get each time. With UGL, unless you test each batch, you have no idea what you got. Nothing is stopping vendors from swapping out bottles, mixing tested with untested gear, sending random junk, selective scamming etc. When you buy from UGL, you need to factor in testing cost.

Not everything can be tested either, they may have melted filters, plastic etc depending on how cheap their setup is. You can't possibly test them all and many things don't show up on GCMS.

Another US DOM vendor.
Same labels, but sending a different product.
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I’m interested in your polystyrene tests and willing to contribute if you are going to crowd source it. There’s a lot of enhanced testing haters out there, but this is the kind of stuff most people are clueless about until someone such as yourself brings it up.

I agree on the testing and I’m still new to all this, so my risk tolerance is currently to test everything. I don’t need any unknown hormones while I’m figuring out how I react to everything. I’ve been trying to order more than I need so I don’t have to keep retesting, so fingers crossed they aren’t mixing batches in a single order. Certainly possible. Harm reduction vs harm elimination.

 

[readalot]

Ordered @readalot ultimate Chinese reseller detection package (including GCMS, HPLC, BA/BB, Guaiacol) on UGL and Compounded RX Test C 200. UGL is in MCT oil and the compounded RX is in GSO. Compounded Rx was ordered though TRTNation and came from Anazao Health. I wanted to see if compounded was any better than UGL. Doesn’t look like it is. Compounded = 194 mg/ml. @Primal_Pharma = 204 mg/ml.

I am currently holding back some of the pages with the verification codes on them since they have some of them mislabeled. The sample pictures are correct and you can clearly see in the results which is which since they are in different carrier oils. I'll post the verification codes once they get it relabeled.

I fed the chemicals from the GCMS report into Chat GPT 5 so you don’t have to. Both UGL and Compounded RX have the same dienolone precursor contaminant/impurity/degradation product, just in different forms. Jano lists it as a Test C degradation product? Chat GPT didn’t think so, but I’d probably take Jano’s word over Chat GPT. It’s probably common at least if Jano classifies it that way. It appears in every Testosterone GCMS I've seen (not just these 2). The Compounded RX also appears to have some synthetic chemicals that aren’t naturally part of GSO. Some are likely excipients for injection comfort. Others are likely degradation products of GSO, possibly from the GCMS process itself.

My takeaway is that compounding pharmacies and UGLs probably get their raws from the same place. MCT oil is probably better than GSO for stability. @readalot didn't find heavy metals or endotoxins in his prior project and these GCMSs aren't showing anything weird in UGL. I won't be spending $200+ again on a vial of test from a cash clinic unless I nee to travel internationally.

I’d really like to see someone send in actual name brand pharma test for comparison. Maybe if there’s a little left over from the group fund @readalot . I’m curious if actual pharma has the dienolone precursor also. I don’t have the product to send though.

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Damn it. Was going to rest up and then you go and pull this. All I can say is fantastic Brother! Give me some time to digest.

I got Pharma Test C and Test E I can send in. You made my day. Thank you!!

And you too @Photon.

 

[readalot]

Be very careful with all the AI stuff. But you guys know that. I will follow back up. I need a break.

 

[TallandSmall]

Be very careful with all the AI stuff. But you guys know that. I will follow back up. I need a break.

For sure, but lacking an M.S. in organic & analytical chemistry, it’s the best I got until someone knowledgeable can enlighten me. I just happen to have an active ChatGPT subscription right now for making stupid pictures. Luckily I researched a bit more before posting, otherwise my initial reaction from what ChatGPT told me was “Oh shit! We got Tren!”, but that wasn’t true and it appears to be a normal finding. It was obvious ChatGPT didn’t really know some of the chemicals in the compounded Rx. I also figure if they show up in the NIST database that Jano uses for GCMS then there is probably some sort of description or industrial use also available. Can’t wait to see what sort of additional information you may have when you have time. Get some rest. I figured you’d be celebrating the success of the Tren dossier this weekend.

 

[sionnach]

I'm guessing the dienolone prodrug is a byproduct of black market test raw manufacturing. Just a guess though.

 

[TallandSmall]

I'm guessing the dienolone prodrug is a byproduct of black market test raw manufacturing. Just a guess though.

That was my thought based on ChatGPT if ChatGPT is accurate, but it also shows in the compounded Rx. The compounding supply line seems a bit grey though. Actual pharma for comparison would be interesting.

 

[readalot]

For sure, but lacking an M.S. in organic & analytical chemistry, it’s the best I got until someone knowledgeable can enlighten me. I just happen to have an active ChatGPT subscription right now for making stupid pictures. Luckily I researched a bit more before posting, otherwise my initial reaction from what ChatGPT told me was “Oh shit! We got Tren!”, but that wasn’t true and it appears to be a normal finding. It was obvious ChatGPT didn’t really know some of the chemicals in the compounded Rx. I also figure if they show up in the NIST database that Jano uses for GCMS then there is probably some sort of description or industrial use also available. Can’t wait to see what sort of additional information you may have when you have time. Get some rest. I figured you’d be celebrating the success of the Tren dossier this weekend.

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Even if one had a PhD in org./anal. chemistry it would still be very tedious work pouring over mass spec data if you didn't do it full time for steroid based compounds. It is a specialty all unto itself. That's why I asked Jano to price consulting hourly rate if someone wanted help. The tentative hits on the NIST library are hit or miss.

Have a good weekend.

 

[sionnach]

anal chemistry

 

[TallandSmall]

ChatGPT refused my request.

 

[janoshik]

ChatGPT refused my request.

You have to ease her into it.

 

[Sampei]

I’m interested in your polystyrene tests and willing to contribute if you are going to crowd source it. There’s a lot of enhanced testing haters out there, but this is the kind of stuff most people are clueless about until someone such as yourself brings it up.

I agree on the testing and I’m still new to all this, so my risk tolerance is currently to test everything. I don’t need any unknown hormones while I’m figuring out how I react to everything. I’ve been trying to order more than I need so I don’t have to keep retesting, so fingers crossed they aren’t mixing batches in a single order. Certainly possible. Harm reduction vs harm elimination.

I guess this will be our next project for the meso test group. Because I like this a lot! Please if you can find with Jano if he can analyse and what kind of test is needed to check for that plastic leeching from a bottle top filter.

I'll provide the oil filtered with different BB contents from a PTFE bottle top filter.

So we just need quote for the test needed to search for that leeching and the funds for it. Anything else is all accounted for already

 

[eryximachus]

Be very careful with all the AI stuff. But you guys know that. I will follow back up. I need a break.

I will say that I find Grok the best for discussing peptides. I think Elon Musk is into the body optimization we do.

Other AI models are always chastising drug use.

 

[readalot]

I guess this will be our next project for the meso test group. Because I like this a lot! Please if you can find with Jano if he can analyse and what kind of test is needed to check for that plastic leeching from a bottle top filter.

I'll provide the oil filtered with different BB contents from a PTFE bottle top filter.

So we just need quote for the test needed to search for that leeching and the funds for it. Anything else is all accounted for already

Lets start another thread for that one or scoping comments in the testing fund thread please.

There is a shit load of work to be done to mine the incredible work that @TallandSmall has done here. Add in some pharma Test GCMS data and we have a database for Test C. Fucking awesome.

 

[TallandSmall]

Verification links: