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ChoZeN1
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Maybe its harm reduction? 50 less mg saves you from cardiac arrest.
Tdeck81
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Clerical and honest mistakes are unfortunate, but cannot be helped. I’m a cynical person and try to investigate or acknowledge all angles. The problem is if we start impugning the integrity of one, if not the only, testing source available we are in deep shit. Think of the overall implications of total mistrust in Jano. That being said, I think they know what they are doing and have no real reason to doubt the efficacy
Bandern
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The other 50mg was donated to Katt Williams for his long anticipated stage debut
Zebedee
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The most likely explanation is that they aren’t really from the same batch.
This is something that gets overlooked on Meso: batch size is limited to what the mixing vessel can hold. Beakers that can fit on commonly available hot plate stirrers max out around 5L & these aren’t particularly common either - eg Stan brews in batches of just 1L.
Do the maths guys: divide the beaker’s max capacity by 10ml & that’s the theoretical number of vials per batch. I say theoretical because that’s not accounting for wastage.
IMO, unless you’re buying from a lab manufacturing in a permissive country (think China & QSC etc al) that has proper industrial manufacturing equipment & capability, batches & batch numbers need to be taken with a very large grain of salt.
This also raises the question of how useful UGL produced Jano results are & whether we should demand labs release “batch tests” prior to releasing for sale vs eg demand raws testing be published instead & raising compensation for buyer published 3rd party tests.
Im being a bit of a cynical idiot at this point I wouldn’t say total mistrust but imagine their daily influx has basically doubled if not tripled because of these peptide moms
Nixonnow99
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The shit flinging here actually does make sense when you think about it. Natural behavior and all.
Photon
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The GCMS and HPLC actually does match, the only way it's not 150 is if both tests are incorrect. The GCMS and HPLC were both performed on different days, which means it's unlikely to be a "bad day" You'd have to mess up 2 different tests, on 2 separate days.
The vials sold were Aug whereas testing done was Oct.
My model places the mg/ml @ 156mg/ml based off GCMS data whereas Jano's actual tested HPLC is 154. ~1-2% difference. See how close the red and blue dots are on the graph.
Your best bet is to buy in bulk, e.g 10-20 vials, put a small amount of each into a single vial and send that single vial for testing, thereby testing all your vials at once.
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manbat
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How can we remove kebab for them if we’re not stronk?
BigDadd7
Member
Same thing? Lol
I’d say the compensation for testing seems pretty damn good here. I don’t see anyone complaining about the way that’s handled, anyone who has tested has been made whole immediately after. It’s just up to us to continue testing the product and making sure the results line up.
We have guys like @Photon @readalot who uphold and present the science and we have @SwolieGuacamole who are very vocal about keeping the source accountable. We might not agree with everyone’s methods but at the end of the day we have the perfect storm of shit flinging and science I’d say.
Matty_G
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Let’s get EQ at 500mg/ml TESTED. Make it happen @Primal_Pharma !!!
But don't you need to then put them all into a huge vial and mix them? Or your test results are pointless as it's the result of the average of all the vials.
And btw your model is pretty incredible.
Photon
Member
If your average is gtg then all vials are gtg. If your average is not then mix all in a 100ml vial and dispense to smaller vials, to get the average.
Zebedee
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I haven’t looked at Primal’s reimbursement policy for published 3rd party testing (or much of this thread in general) because I’m in the UK & won’t ever be buying from him. What I meant was more across the board rather than for any one specific vendor.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying an UGL’s own Jano reports are totally useless - they at least give an indication of their ability to manufacturer accurately dosed products. But I do think there’s too much emphasis placed on them & there’s very little questioning of how valid they are in relation to what customers actually receive.
Has anyone ever asked Primal how large his oil batches are & for evidence of this, ie pictures of his mixing beaker(s) if he claims them to be over 2L?
Photon
Member
Whats beaker size got to do with anything?
Can't immediately find dissolution batch sizes or if that question was ever posed. Good question.
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Tdeck81
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It’s a question to the overall size of the batches being produced. The example was what good is a vendor batch test if the batch is only 1 liter? I get where he’s coming from, because I was curious about this point too.
It may have already been asked and answered but I do not recall. I would assume larger batches are being produced but idk.
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