Dr. Scally What is your recommendation?

[ed0001]

I started a cycle of test prop last week. I've injected 150mg eod starting last week on Tuesday. Which comes out to be 4 seperate injections of 150mg on Tuesday/Thursday/Saturday/Monday. I just want it to be clear. Additionally i've been on 12.5 mg of aromasin eod starting on Tuesday of last week, and i've also been on hcg 500 international units e3d starting last week on Tuesday.

I've had to stop the cycle for personal reasons.

I know when you do a full length cycle you should start the hcg at 2000-2500 international units eod or e3d factoring in the half life, which in this case is 4.5 days, until your total testosterone levels reach a level of about 375 ng/dl. Which at this point will represent endogenous testosterone. After this is when you start the SERM's.

In my case I don't know if it shut me down, but to be on the safe side I am thinking about doing your hcg protocol and then following with the SERM's.

What's your take on this?

 

[Deacon]

I wouldnt worry about it at this time

 

[Paulo Souza]

Ed

The answer is: "Blood work".

Drop the HCG, Aromasin and the Propionate then wait 5 days from the last Propionate Injection and do a Blood Test.

If your test is in the optimal range (higher than > 500) then you're fine.

If your test is higher than 375 but not in the optimal range, SERMS will do it.

If your test is lower than 375, then use the HCG and SERMS and follow the doc's protocol.

Good luck

 

[Get Some]

I wouldnt worry about it at this time

Oh Doc Scally, I didn't realize you changed your name to Deacon. Hmmm, that's weird.

Haha, Jk brotha. I agree. Nothing to worry about if you stop a cycle that early.

 

[Bill Roberts]

Aside from practical results showing this, it can be shown to be expected:

At 150 mg of testosterone propionate every other day, this corresponds to an average weekly usage of 525 mg.

Estimating the half-life of propionate at 2 days, at 5 days the level would still be commensurate with approximately 100 mg/week use.

Even in a man with no LH production, this can sometimes give T levels as good as described above, or better.

Further, HCG is still active after 5 days.

It takes about 2 weeks for a test to not be significantly influenced by recent use of testosterone propionate and HCG.

LH, however, will be an accurate measurement.

 

[ed0001]

anybody know if it would it hurt me physiologyically at this point if i would follow Dr. Scally''s protocol and then do SERM's?

and i am going to get labs done

 

[Bill Roberts]

"Hurt you physiologically" is a strong term.

However, using HCG at this point would delay your recovery, not speed it.

Its purpose is to reverse testicular atrophy or help restore testicular function, which are not issues after such brief use.

 

[ed0001]

"Hurt you physiologically" is a strong term.

However, using HCG at this point would delay your recovery, not speed it.

Its purpose is to reverse testicular atrophy or help restore testicular function, which are not issues after such brief use.

should i be worried about shut down of my test levels?

if so what type of SERM protocol should i use?

to put it plainly what do you think i should do?

im thinking of doing serm's just to be on the safe side.

 

[Bill Roberts]

A standard usage of Clomid or Nolvadex will be fine.

For Clomid, my preferred method is 300 mg on day 1 (50 mg taken at 6 separate times: I don't know for a fact that absorption is better dividing it like this, but it's more certain) and then 50 mg/day after that; or Nolvadex at 140 mg on day 1 divided into 3 or 4 doses, and 20 mg/day after that.

The reason for day 1 being such a large dose is that these are drugs with a long half life, so in general -- but not at the start of usage -- at the time of having just taken a dose, one doesn't just have that day's dose in the system, but 6 or 7 days' worth of doses in the system. The only way to get to the intended levels promptly is to frontload the drug.

An alternate method is to use double dosages (100 mg/day for Clomid, or 50 mg/day Nolvadex) for 3 or 4 days. This doesn't get one up to the intended levels in the first day, and really I don't know of a reason to prefer this method, but it's another way to do it.

It's often recommended in the case of Nolvadex to double the dose for longer than this, but that's not necessary.

For such a brief period of use, 2 weeks should suffice. There would be no harm to 4 weeks if you want to.

 

[ed0001]

Appreciate the advice.

 

[Bill Roberts]

Glad to help!