ED and low testosterone at second week of pct

[UncleBuns]

so your HPTA works through a negative feedback loop based of your E2 meaning that if your body needs estrogen your HPTA starts to work and produce LH and FSH which in turn create testosterone

taking HCG means youre forcing your balls to produce testosterone which in turn gets aromatized into E2 meaning your body does not give the signal to your brain to start creating more testosterone so your HPTA stays shut down

if im wrong about any of this feel free to correct me this is how i understand the process

about the start of pct timing you want to wait till all the exogenous test is out of your body and i would even say wait till you start to feel shitty that way you're certain the test is out your body but in general i think pct is dead you do it if you want to come of test for the rest of your life else stay on

E2 does regulate LH and FSH production. What's happening to this guy though is that taking HCG inhibits production of LH and FSH irregardless of E2. If you're taking HCG at a decent dose your E2 level doesn't really matter, your LH and FSH will be greatly suppressed by the HCG alone.

 

[UncleBuns]

Thank you.
I decided to quit for now, because i have new goals in my life.
Just want you guys to advice me about the fastest way to recover my endogenous test. Should i go on with clomid and nolva and nothing else? then add hcg after quitting serms?

Jesus Christ dude. Why would you take serms and then switch to HCG? Either take HCG solo in high dose then do the serms or just stop the HCG and just continue with the serms. At the same time I would take all the AAS in your house and throw them in the trash. Finish your PCT, and just stop cycling. If you want to cycle again in the future you have got to hire someone that knows what they're talking about.

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

Jesus Christ dude. Why would you take serms and then switch to HCG?

Am I right in saying that HCG monotherapy after SERM use will resuppress gonadotropin release, therefore negating the entire point of taking the SERM in the first place?

 

[UncleBuns]

Am I right in saying that HCG monotherapy after SERM use will resuppress gonadotropin release, therefore negating the entire point of taking the SERM in the first place?

If the plan is to just continue with HCG monotherapy, there's no point in taking SERMS at all. You just take HCG and keep taking it. The purpose of a SERM in PCT Is to stimulate production of LH and FSH. HCG greatly inhibits the production of LH and FSH. HCG mimics LH So when your body is full of HCG your testicles are getting LH stimulation from the HCG, your body senses that the signaling is strong and so it has no need to produce more LH and FSH.

 

[McLovin.]

HCG inhibits production of LH and FSH irregardless of E2.

could you explain this a little more? HCG replaces the LH and FSH signal and shuts down the HPTA but i thought the reason it gets shut down is bc the HCG stimulating the testes to produce test which in turn partially aromatizes and turns into E2 which then doesnt signal the HPTA and thus the chain gets broken. if im mistaken anywhere let me know

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

could you explain this a little more? HCG replaces the LH and FSH signal and shuts down the HPTA but i thought the reason it gets shut down is bc the HCG stimulating the testes to produce test which in turn partially aromatizes and turns into E2 which then doesnt signal the HPTA and thus the chain gets broken. if im mistaken anywhere let me know

nah you’re right. Except androgens also shut down the HPGA, just not as much as estrogens

 

[malfeasance]

Hi everyone, i need your help.
I did my first cycle of 14 weeks between november 2023 to february 2024. only test c at 500mg/week. Then after two weeks from last pin i did my PCT, hcg 2000ui eod for 3 weeks, clomid 50/50/25/25 (4weeks) and nolvadex 40/40/20/20 (4 weeks). Everything was good.

Then at may 2024 i started my summer cycle for 12 weeks, test p 100mg eod, mast p 100mg eod, winstrol tablets 40mg ed just the first 4 weeks.
I waited 1 week, because of the short esters, then i started my pct, the same i did for the first cycle.

Now i am at the second week of PCT but i got erectile dysfunction....
I did bloodwork:
E2: 15 pg/ml, FSH: 1,57 mlU/ml, LH: 1,49 mlU/l, testosterone: 1,25 nmol/l.

Now i don't know how to read test value.... the range on bloodwrtok says 1,63-34... but i am not sure... maybe i am wrong, but 1,25 nmol/l should be 36ng/dl which seems very low, should be 300 at least?
Please, need some help here... What do you think? How i fix ed and how much time will it take to restore normal hormonal balance? It seems a little weird to me that hcg and clomid didn't work yet to increase testosterone levels.
Thank you so much

(A) How old are you?

(B) Geez, it's only been a week. Why does everybody out there on the internet think that they can fully shut down their HPTA and everything will be good a week after the last injection?

It does not work like that.

Stop taking shit and wait. If you are 76 years old, your chances are still better than 50% of a full recovery, but you have to wait.

If you are in your teens or twenties, then your odds of recovery are pretty much 100% if you are healthy.

But you have to stop messing with your HPTA if you want it to do its job.

 

[Snake_87]

hei guys thank you so muche for your support...
i feel my body is slowly recovering... i can get an erection, today i had mornin wood... i will do my bloodworks again next week.

@UncleBuns this very interesting, because, according with some studies, HCG suppress fsh and lh production in a regardless to estrogen levels... i don't undesratnd why in many protocols hcg and serms are used together... i did 2 week of 2000 ui eod, and i feel my testicles are full again and i noticed i great increase in sperm volume, and my libido is slowly go back. i am on third week now, i am just using clomid and nolva.

@malfeasance

A) 36 years old
B) yes i dropped everithing and i am on third week PCT right now with only serms.

Can i ask you guys how would you have set the cycle? I had to wait more before start PCT? I had to use HCGfirst for bridging and then use serms?

 

[UncleBuns]

hei guys thank you so muche for your support...
i feel my body is slowly recovering... i can get an erection, today i had mornin wood... i will do my bloodworks again next week.

@UncleBuns this very interesting, because, according with some studies, HCG suppress fsh and lh production in a regardless to estrogen levels... i don't undesratnd why in many protocols hcg and serms are used together... i did 2 week of 2000 ui eod, and i feel my testicles are full again and i noticed i great increase in sperm volume, and my libido is slowly go back. i am on third week now, i am just using clomid and nolva.

@malfeasance

A) 36 years old
B) yes i dropped everithing and i am on third week PCT right now with only serms.

Can i ask you guys how would you have set the cycle? I had to wait more before start PCT? I had to use HCGfirst for bridging and then use serms?

If you are only taking SERMS at this point just carry on with them. It takes time. If you are still feeling terrible get more blood work in 2 or 3 weeks to see if LH and FSH is coming back. If you start feeling much better than just carry on. At the very least I would get blood work towards the end of the SERM usage and about 6 weeks after SERMs have stopped.

Going to have to be patient and suffer through for a bit.

 

[malfeasance]

I am different from the others. Your body at some point needs to recover. That means it needs to produce testosterone naturally, without serms or AIs or HCG or HMG or anything at all.

It can't do that so long as you keep monkeying with things.

And I would not do a blood test next week.

Months. Not days. Not weeks. Then do a blood test to see where you are. And that is months after stopping everything, not months of taking things.

I never took any "PCT" more than 2-3 weeks back when I used to come off.

At 36 you should be able to bounce back just fine.

 

[Snake_87]

ok guys, thank you so much for your support.
I feel my testicles are getting fuller and bigger day by day, my libido si slowly coming back and i can get an erection, even if is not strong as it was in the best days. I feel some soreness to my balls, they hurts a little, but for what i can understand means they are awakening.... just going on with serms for next 3 or 4 weeks and then i will do my bloodworks and will see....

Any other advices? Do you think it could be useful in thsi moment get some integration like vitamin D, zinc, magnesium and something like that?

Thank you so much guys

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

Any other advices? Do you think it could be useful in thsi moment get some integration like vitamin D, zinc, magnesium and something like that?

Yeah, vitamin D, zinc, and magnesium may help. Probably not, but maybe. Might be worth looking into boron as well.

 

[malfeasance]

I feel my testicles are getting fuller and bigger day by day, my libido si slowly coming back and i can get an erection, even if is not strong as it was in the best days. I feel some soreness to my balls, they hurts a little, but for what i can understand means they are awakening....

That is exactly what is happening.

just going on with serms for next 3 or 4 weeks and then i will do my bloodworks and will see....

Any other advices?

Yes, advice, no 3-4 more weeks needed. PCT should be a very short deal. At some point your body needs to recover on its own, and it cannot do that so long as you keep shoving drugs into it.

 

[Snake_87]

So how many other weeks should i do? i am in the third week right now... 1 or 2 more weeks?

 

[malfeasance]

As I said above, I never did more than 2-3 weeks, total, so . . .

You will never be "recovered" until you are off of everything for a good period of time.

Recovery is typically somewhere between 3 months and 2 years, with most falling toward the shorter end and some never recovering. Age plays a major factor, too. Even more than half of 76 year olds who have their hormones suppressed recover their natural levels (lots of data on older men because of prostate cancer).

Odds are good at only 36 years old, however, that your body bounces back all on its own.

 

[Spideog]

You should just blast & cruise or stay off steroids. No one does PCTs anymore

Great advice. Especially for those who care about fertility and don’t want to be pinning once a week for the rest of their lives. Stupidity at its finest.