1.5 g/pw test cycles

[Quasimoto]

I wanted to know if any of you have any experience with the cycles that get up into the 1.5-2.0 grams per week of test. I am getting ready for a show now, and am considering doing a cycles that would resemble something like that afterwards in preparation for the California and the Nationals. I know a few national level BB's and one of them was soo far behind me in his physique and wihin a matter of 14-18 months he caught and passed me. I am 6'4 and normally compete at around 245-250 but wonder if i could see 275-280 on stage . I am a vet of AAS, dieting training and shows (i have competed in over 25 of them) so i dont need the newbie advice, i need to know about the " magic" that people have reported at these doses, as well as the sides. thanks. \

 

[Snowblind]

The most I have run is 1.5 grams test EW, and 700mgs EQ EW. To be honest with you, I really didn't notice all that much of a difference than when I ran 750mgs test, and 600mgs EQ. I did seem to bloat more though, even running it with a-dex.

I'll be interested in the other responses to this thread.

I have also heard that the "magic" happens at 2 grams.

My next cycle will be 1 gram test en and 500mg tren e along with some GH, T3, and slin.

 

[Baby Faced Assasin]

The most I have run is 1.5 grams test EW, and 700mgs EQ EW. To be honest with you, I really didn't notice all that much of a difference than when I ran 750mgs test, and 600mgs EQ. I did seem to bloat more though, even running it with a-dex.

I'll be interested in the other responses to this thread.

I have also heard that the "magic" happens at 2 grams.

My next cycle will be 1 gram test en and 500mg tren e along with some GH, T3, and slin.

Ya may want to PM GV. He's also a competiter and seems to be on the "next level" from what i've seen.

 

[gman67]

Yeah magic happened,,I gained about twenty pds with acne, but then I lost 10 of that from losing hair.

Seriously the main thing I noticed was more and harsher sides. Didn't really notice anything else from 2 g's from 750mg. I guess if all you have to do is lay around all day, take juice, work out and eat then you'd probably benefit a little more from it.

 

[Snowblind]

Ya may want to PM GV. He's also a competiter and seems to be on the "next level" from what i've seen.

I've seen some posts from GV and his doses......and they seemed on the light side, and I was pretty surprised by that given his size and shape. I guess that goes to show you that nutrition, training, and rest are pretty damn important......especially nutrition.

 

[graybass]

I'm telling you genetics really are the deciding factor in AAS usage.
A friend of mine trained with Ronnie Coleman around the time of his first Mr. O.
He swears Ronnie told him at that time, he was only using 500mg test, and 40mg D-bol ED. It really has to do with your genetic weight limit.
In my case after over 20 cycles, I need 1000mg Test EW just to feel a little progress!

I don't know if I believe the Coleman story, but it came from my friend who is nationally known.

So everyone is different. You have go by your individual history with AAS.

I'm very tempted to try the Mega Cycle though!!!!

 

[Phreezer]

Personaly, I can't imagine going over 1.25 grams per week.. IMO it's a waste for just about everyone... If you're having trouble gaining and your using that much test, stacked with whatever else you're taking you may need to look at your training and diet. That's where I would look if I were you.

Take care,

Phreezer

 

[biganth]

Its all to do with Genetics / how your body responds to gear.Some people need a lot,some dont.Usually,at the higher doses,if you have receptors at the wrong sites ie breast tissue ( gyno ) scalp ( hairloss ) skin ( acne ) you will get those sides If you are lucky,you will have lots of Androgen receptors in the right places ( Muscle ) Also,its to do with how SHBG ones body produces.I am friends with an Olympia competitor.He spoke of the rumors in the Pro ranks of the dosages Ronnie uses.Im not even gonna bother posting,as people will just call bullshit.Ronnie actually gave some advice to an IFBB pro i know backstage at the NOC a few years back.The doses he suggested shocked me to say the least.

 

[jocko]

i saw just about the same results from 750-1000mg to 2grams a week

 

[Tiki]

I used to know a guy that was a natl competitor back in the 70s and knew a lot of the top guys back then. He told me basically the same thing big anth is saying, that genetics and how those guys respond to gear, especially at mega doses, was a key to how successful they would be. I believe there is some validity to that as there are some guys (top pros) who don't work out very hard and don't eat all that clean but their body responds incredibly to gear and half-assed workouts.

 

[Starkraven]

Its all to do with Genetics / how your body responds to gear.Some people need a lot,some dont.Usually,at the higher doses,if you have receptors at the wrong sites ie breast tissue ( gyno ) scalp ( hairloss ) skin ( acne ) you will get those sides If you are lucky,you will have lots of Androgen receptors in the right places ( Muscle ) Also,its to do with how SHBG ones body produces.I am friends with an Olympia competitor.He spoke of the rumors in the Pro ranks of the dosages Ronnie uses.Im not even gonna bother posting,as people will just call bullshit.Ronnie actually gave some advice to an IFBB pro i know backstage at the NOC a few years back.The doses he suggested shocked me to say the least.

wow great post about an individual's receptor sites on the issue of side effects!
i now learned alot from this one post. it is very individual, one can have more receptor sites (muscle) and would benefit from using higher amounts.

if you dont mind, post the numbers ronnie mentioned.

 

[Quasimoto]

wow great post about an individual's receptor sites on the issue of side effects!
i now learned alot from this one post. it is very individual, one can have more receptor sites (muscle) and would benefit from using higher amounts.

if you dont mind, post the numbers ronnie mentioned.

Thanks guys for the input, I usually weigh around 290-300 when i am bulking, and i have weighed 320 once before. Its alot of beef, but it hasnt always translated to the weight i want on stage. I'll let the fellas know when i am am into the cycle what i feel and see..I'll post pics as soon as my shows this season are over, which will be late october.

Q

 

[red5150]

I thought I saw on another board that Ronnie allegedly uses 18ius of gh a day? Could be BS, but I know of a national level guy that will probaly earn his pro-card within a year using 6-10 drol 75 mgs along with a boatload of other gear. Wow my first cycle was 100 (5mg) dbol total for 6 weeks.

 

[ZILLAMAN]

I believe it depends on whos gear your using because alot is under dosed, but as far as your ? i've done up 2300g a week to now 1000 i see no difference but switched my gear to another brand i feel that is the big difference....