My Second Steroid Cycle

[maged]

well i am thinking to start my second cycle within few weeks, i was confused at first what to choose between primobolan or parabolan along with the test.
but i dicided to make it as follows:

12 weeks cycle
week 1-12
testosterone cypionate 500mg/week
primobolan 500mg/week

week 1-13
masterone 50mg/eod

week 14-17 PCT
Aromasin 25mg/day
Nolvadex 20mg/day
Z-force 4 capsules/day
HCG 500IU/week

other supplements:
centrum, omega 3, joint support

Supplements:
Whey protein, 12 hour protein shake, AMINO, BCAA, Glutamine

 

[etul86]

well i am thinking to start my second cycle within few weeks, i was confused at first what to choose between primobolan or parabolan along with the test.
but i dicided to make it as follows:

12 weeks cycle
week 1-12
testosterone cypionate 500mg/week
primobolan 500mg/week

week 1-13
masterone 50mg/eod

week 14-17 PCT
Aromasin 25mg/day
Nolvadex 20mg/day
Z-force 4 capsules/day
HCG 500IU/week

other supplements:
centrum, omega 3, joint support

Supplements:
Whey protein, 12 hour protein shake, AMINO, BCAA, Glutamine

Primobolan and Parabolan are two different things. Parabolan = Tren hex

Primo is a good addition to a cycle that provides slow but quality gains. I have friends that are major primo advocates.

Not sure about the masteron dose. Probably better to do 100mgs EOD.

 

[someanddone]

Probably not gonna see much of anything from 50mgs EOD of mast. You need double that for noticeable results. I take 50mgs ED and have gotten good results.
Also, research why you should NOT run hcg with pct. You run it throughout the cycle to keep your nuts primed and ready to recover, or ED for 10-14 days BEFORE pct, but not with pct.
Other than that, should be a good mild cycle. You should think about kickstarting it with test prop and/or dbol.

 

[maged]

Primobolan and Parabolan are two different things. Parabolan = Tren hex

Primo is a good addition to a cycle that provides slow but quality gains. I have friends that are major primo advocates.

Not sure about the masteron dose. Probably better to do 100mgs EOD.

1-i am not an idiot that i dont know that parabolan is tren hexabynzlcarbonate...
2-i am taking masterone as a side steroid for the anti estrogenic effects of the test + very little hardening and mass

 

[maged]

Probably not gonna see much of anything from 50mgs EOD of mast. You need double that for noticeable results. I take 50mgs ED and have gotten good results.
Also, research why you should NOT run hcg with pct. You run it throughout the cycle to keep your nuts primed and ready to recover, or ED for 10-14 days BEFORE pct, but not with pct.
Other than that, should be a good mild cycle. You should think about kickstarting it with test prop and/or dbol.

as i stated in my first cycle, i take hcg during the cycle according to when i need it, but i dont state it, i only state it in the pct aka the main thing...for hcg

 

[someanddone]

So you think 175 mgs per week of mast is enough to be an effective estrogen blocker? Not likely.
And next time you post a fucking cycle, why don't you actually include everything you will be running so when people give pertinent advice you don't have to act like a bitch.
And do some fucking research on hcg. YOU DON'T TAKE IT DURING PCT!

Fuck.

 

[maged]

So you think 175 mgs per week of mast is enough to be an effective estrogen blocker? Not likely.
And next time you post a fucking cycle, why don't you actually include everything you will be running so when people give pertinent advice you don't have to act like a bitch.
And do some fucking research on hcg. YOU DON'T TAKE IT DURING PCT!

Fuck.

try to talk in a polite way else dont talk!!!
ignored like a dog...

 

[someanddone]

All you've done is ignore the advice given to you, so ignoring me when I talk to you like you're a bitch is no different.
If your cycle is so awesome and you won't listen to anybody, then why are you on this site?
You tell etul that you're not an idiot, but yesterday on a 9 month old thread you thought somebody who was explaining how an anti-e blocks E was talking about test enanthate. Great job genius.
Ignore me like a dog, that's fine. But when you come on this site during pct and you're crying like I donkey-punched your giant cunt because hcg is keeping you from recovering properly, I will have zero sympathy.

 

[etul86]

1-i am not an idiot that i dont know that parabolan is tren hexabynzlcarbonate...
2-i am taking masterone as a side steroid for the anti estrogenic effects of the test + very little hardening and mass

my bad, dude. Do what you want and don't ask for advice unless your willing to listen.

When someone says "i was confused about whether to take primobolan or parabolan"
That makes one wonder because they're nothing alike. Why the hell would that be a hard choice?

 

[big_tom]

Let's chill here for a second. He is looking for advice so let's try and be nice and suggest it in a friendly manner.

First of all, you really don't need to run the HCG post cycle, it will just keep you shut down for longer. Run it for the second half of the cycle at 500IU 3 x per week or even throughout for 250IU 3 x per week. Run it at least 2 weeks after last shot of Test C due to the ester.

You are probably wasting your money running the Mast like that and I'd save it for a future cycle when you can
run at a higher dose.

PCT: Run the Nolva at least 40mg per day for the first two weeks, even with that Aromasin in there, you might think about Clomid and try it starting at a low dosage. 20mg Nolva thereafter for following two weeks.

You will like the 500/500 Test C and Primo if you are looking for solid gains. If this is just your second cycle I'd try that and save the Tren for later.

Stick around and ask questions but be receptive when we are trying to help you. We are all in this game together and some can get a bit bitchy at times but forgiveness is a good thing too right?

Please post up your current stats and goals and this will help us to help you. Train Hard!

 

[maged]

Let's chill here for a second. He is looking for advice so let's try and be nice and suggest it in a friendly manner.

First of all, you really don't need to run the HCG post cycle, it will just keep you shut down for longer. Run it for the second half of the cycle at 500IU 3 x per week or even throughout for 250IU 3 x per week. Run it at least 2 weeks after last shot of Test C due to the ester.

You are probably wasting your money running the Mast like that and I'd save it for a future cycle when you can
run at a higher dose.

PCT: Run the Nolva at least 40mg per day for the first two weeks, even with that Aromasin in there, you might think about Clomid and try it starting at a low dosage. 20mg Nolva thereafter for following two weeks.

You will like the 500/500 Test C and Primo if you are looking for solid gains. If this is just your second cycle I'd try that and save the Tren for later.

Stick around and ask questions but be receptive when we are trying to help you. We are all in this game together and some can get a bit bitchy at times but forgiveness is a good thing too right?

Please post up your current stats and goals and this will help us to help you. Train Hard!

thank u for this advice i will be taking that into consideration,
i am taking advices btw but only who advice in a mannered way not like the guy that calls a bitch...
as for hcg i searched for it and i found it done in the pct normaly with the aromasin and nolva, whats ur opnion?

 

[maged]

my bad, dude. Do what you want and don't ask for advice unless your willing to listen.

When someone says "i was confused about whether to take primobolan or parabolan"
That makes one wonder because they're nothing alike. Why the hell would that be a hard choice?

cuz i was thinking to take tren in my second cycle but i knew after this that tren is for later cycles after i finish 4-5 cycles cuz of its being very strong even stronger than test X5

 

[vpiedu]

First of all, you really don't need to run the HCG post cycle, it will just keep you shut down for longer. Run it for the second half of the cycle at 500IU 3 x per week or even throughout for 250IU 3 x per week. Run it at least 2 weeks after last shot of Test C due to the ester.

and just for the record little dude, you might want to be a little more open to listen to someone when you are the one asking questions. if you were actively browsing this site and doing proper research you would see someanddone was only trying to address your question. so dont ask if your not ready for answers. you might not always agree with them or like their tone but if you do the research you will see there is no shortage of dumb assholes here asking stupid questions and then being a bitch when they dont get the answer they wanted. research your question before you post it, you may find plenty of info that way. btw you should read your own thread, sometimes your question has already been addressed several times, the quote is only one of them. have a nice day!

 

[maged]

i did my search and found the hcg made during pct as normal, it is just the pct starts at the end of the longest ester of the cycle, for this one will be after 2 week of my last steroid shot which is the cypionate,,,
and i will up my mast. dose to 100mg EOD, is this good now?

 

[etul86]

cuz i was thinking to take tren in my second cycle but i knew after this that tren is for later cycles after i finish 4-5 cycles cuz of its being very strong even stronger than test X5

So you figured i could do a mild steroid with almost no side effects or I could do an animal steroid that has the worst side effects of them all?

Does anyone else find this odd?

And When you snapped at someanddone. That was dumb. You're attitude was like "I'm doing it for the ant estrogenic properties, duh!" Well if that's the case maybe you should mention that in the first post.

Mast 50mgs EOD The reason for the low dose.............

 

[vpiedu]

PCT 2 weeks after last shot of cyp? keep reading son.

 

[maged]

PCT 2 weeks after last shot of cyp? keep reading son.

hmmm then whats ur advice? when to start pct then?

 

[vpiedu]

if you are doing the research you will know that you want to start your PCT when your exogenous test levels are low enough that your HTPA can begin to recover. if you are running cyp which has a 10 - 14 day half life and each week you are doing 250 mg 2x per week how can your level be low enough in only 14 days after your last pin to start PCT? it cant. HCG mimics LH which helps kickstart your natural production PRIOR to your PCT. there is still a lot that i have left out cause you need to take this info and continue to do more research. stay active and read read read. you will only be able to make a more educated decision in the end. it is your body and you only have one. btw i would wait at least 4 weeks before starting PCT and then only a blood test will tell you exactly when your levels are right. just my opinion, good luck.

 

[maged]

if you are doing the research you will know that you want to start your PCT when your exogenous test levels are low enough that your HTPA can begin to recover. if you are running cyp which has a 10 - 14 day half life and each week you are doing 250 mg 2x per week how can your level be low enough in only 14 days after your last pin to start PCT? it cant. HCG mimics LH which helps kickstart your natural production PRIOR to your PCT. there is still a lot that i have left out cause you need to take this info and continue to do more research. stay active and read read read. you will only be able to make a more educated decision in the end. it is your body and you only have one. btw i would wait at least 4 weeks before starting PCT and then only a blood test will tell you exactly when your levels are right. just my opinion, good luck.

thnx alot

 

[solo47]

if you are doing the research you will know that you want to start your PCT when your exogenous test levels are low enough that your HTPA can begin to recover. if you are running cyp which has a 10 - 14 day half life and each week you are doing 250 mg 2x per week how can your level be low enough in only 14 days after your last pin to start PCT? it cant. HCG mimics LH which helps kickstart your natural production PRIOR to your PCT. there is still a lot that i have left out cause you need to take this info and continue to do more research. stay active and read read read. you will only be able to make a more educated decision in the end. it is your body and you only have one. btw i would wait at least 4 weeks before starting PCT and then only a blood test will tell you exactly when your levels are right. just my opinion, good luck.

I'd suggest you run that Aromasin with your HCG blast, that is, during your 3-4 waiting period before beginning your Nolvadex SERM run and after your last AAS injection. You shouldn't need it after that. I agree you could also run your HCG during cycle as well, but you might pass on a safer cycle like this. The boys will come back back post-cycle just fine.

You probably don't need an AI (like Aromasin, though Arimidex is more common) during your cycle with that reasonable-size dosage & time, but I'd suggest keeping some on hand in case of gyno symptoms. Nolvadex should be on hand as a good second choice.

Otherwise you've got a pretty good plan. You've also kept up pretty good patience in the face of the usual initiation-greeting to newbies on this site.

Solo