19 y.o. blood panel (getting a bunch of these arent we?)

[RepubCarrier]

[cross posted from avant&others]:


(taken in mid-march):

Total T: 313
cholesterol: 134
HDL: 65
LDL: 56
Triglycerides: 65
TSH: 1.69mIU/L
Total T3: 109
hepatic function panel, everything in normal ranges
CBC, everything normal

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(taken in late august):

Total T: 361 (241-827)
Total T: 372 (250-1100) {another lab, same test I think}
Free T: 66 (46-224)
BioV T: 136 (110-575)
DHEA: 331 (180-1250)

HCG: <2 (0-5) {not sure if this was done correctly?}
Estradiol: <32 {did not use the ultra-sensitive method}

LH: 5.3 (1.5-9.3)
FSH: 1.7 (1.6-8)
Prolactin: 13.2 (2-18)


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Why I got these tests done: earlier this year I read about symptoms of low T, and every symptom applied to me moderately to very strongly. I got a total T test done, and came back with 313 ng/dl. After the test but before I got those results, in march, I opted to use an AI to try to reduce pubertal gynecomastia (which was being reported as an effect of a popular OTC AI); during the course of the AI, profound mood changes occurred and all of the previously mentioned low-T symptoms abated. It was nothing short of amazing.

In may, I ran a 3 week cycle of superdrol, which ended early June. PCT ended early july. 6-7 weeks later, the blood was drawn for this 2nd more comprehensive blood test. I mention the cycle because it is possible some interference was present due to the hormones, but presumably it would be minimized due to the washout period. Did not use anything hormonal before the 1st test of 313ng/dl, nor did I drink for 2 months prior to the test (I "quit"). As a college student, outside of those 2 months, I do drink alcohol 5-15 drinks per week almost every week. Low-T symptoms were present to the best of my memory before touching a drop of alcohol.

I was wondering if, with the info given (I know estradiol and DHT would help...) anybody could comment on these numbers. My objective is only to restore a sense of well-being, confidence, and libido to what I felt like while using the AI. I have one idea (.25mg anastrozole EOD w/ monitering on a permenant basis)...

 

[mranak]

If you have symptoms of hypogonadism, along with testosterone that is at the bottom of the range, then TRT might be your best option, even though you are only 19.

 

[RepubCarrier]

If you have symptoms of hypogonadism, along with testosterone that is at the bottom of the range, then TRT might be your best option, even though you are only 19.

any other opinions here? If I had high estradiol (which we don't really know, we only know that it is <32), does anybody think a course with an AI could fix most/all of those T numbers on a permenant basis? Or, is there something indicating HRT is necessary in any case?

 

[mranak]

It said your E2 (estradiol) was <32 but it didn't provide a range, huh?

I wouldn't recommend it if you hadn't already tried an AI and found that it worked for you, but if it did work for you then... well, maybe that's what you need. But you shouldn't be taking an AI without proper bloodwork before and during, and this includes the proper E2 test as well as total estrogens.

The superdrol is a variable that you really didn't need to add to the mix, complicating matters.

Regardless, good luck.

 

[RepubCarrier]

It said your E2 (estradiol) was <32 but it didn't provide a range, huh?

I wouldn't recommend it if you hadn't already tried an AI and found that it worked for you, but if it did work for you then... well, maybe that's what you need. But you shouldn't be taking an AI without proper bloodwork before and during, and this includes the proper E2 test as well as total estrogens.

The superdrol is a variable that you really didn't need to add to the mix, complicating matters.

Regardless, good luck.

In regards the the superdrol, let me ask this question. Considering the low FSH, mid-level LH, and low levels of all the hormones, would this be consistant with an incomplete recovery from the cycle? If so, looks like I will be needing to wait a while to get some additional readings. I'll be looking for a doc in the meantime who isnt incompetent, and uses the correct estradiol method and will allow a test for DHT.

 

[tres]

i'd say he need to give body more time to normalize stop all drugs .do nothing your 19 let the body come back to normal on its own...i think if alot of us did just that at age 19 we would not need trt..

 

[pmgamer18]

[cross posted from avant&others]:


(taken in mid-march):

Total T: 313
cholesterol: 134
HDL: 65
LDL: 56
Triglycerides: 65
TSH: 1.69mIU/L
Total T3: 109
hepatic function panel, everything in normal ranges
CBC, everything normal

=====================

(taken in late august):

Total T: 361 (241-827)
Total T: 372 (250-1100) {another lab, same test I think}
Free T: 66 (46-224)
BioV T: 136 (110-575)
DHEA: 331 (180-1250)

HCG: <2 (0-5) {not sure if this was done correctly?}
Estradiol: <32 {did not use the ultra-sensitive method}

LH: 5.3 (1.5-9.3)
FSH: 1.7 (1.6-8)
Prolactin: 13.2 (2-18)


**************************************************
**

Why I got these tests done: earlier this year I read about symptoms of low T, and every symptom applied to me moderately to very strongly. I got a total T test done, and came back with 313 ng/dl. After the test but before I got those results, in march, I opted to use an AI to try to reduce pubertal gynecomastia (which was being reported as an effect of a popular OTC AI); during the course of the AI, profound mood changes occurred and all of the previously mentioned low-T symptoms abated. It was nothing short of amazing.

In may, I ran a 3 week cycle of superdrol, which ended early June. PCT ended early july. 6-7 weeks later, the blood was drawn for this 2nd more comprehensive blood test. I mention the cycle because it is possible some interference was present due to the hormones, but presumably it would be minimized due to the washout period. Did not use anything hormonal before the 1st test of 313ng/dl, nor did I drink for 2 months prior to the test (I "quit"). As a college student, outside of those 2 months, I do drink alcohol 5-15 drinks per week almost every week. Low-T symptoms were present to the best of my memory before touching a drop of alcohol.

I was wondering if, with the info given (I know estradiol and DHT would help...) anybody could comment on these numbers. My objective is only to restore a sense of well-being, confidence, and libido to what I felt like while using the AI. I have one idea (.25mg anastrozole EOD w/ monitering on a permenant basis)...

I am sorry but your post is a litte confusing for me. Did you get your Tests done before using AI. Drinking puts a nail in your coffin and kills hormones. If your T was 313 before doing AI then I feel you need to not take anything for sometime and get retested. It can take a good 6 months to a year for your body to heal it's self. Going on TRT is for life and can only keep you shout down from making Testosterone.
Phil

 

[RepubCarrier]

I am sorry but your post is a litte confusing for me. Did you get your Tests done before using AI. Drinking puts a nail in your coffin and kills hormones. If your T was 313 before doing AI then I feel you need to not take anything for sometime and get retested. It can take a good 6 months to a year for your body to heal it's self. Going on TRT is for life and can only keep you shout down from making Testosterone.
Phil

the 313 was before using any hormones/AIs. I have never been free of the symptoms of low T save for my 2 weeks on the AI, and this includes periods before I started drinking.

If you are asking me to not drink for 6 months, or for the rest of my life, I am going to say that is not something that I can do. waiting two months and seeing absolutely nothing to show for it, save for a decrease in bodyfat, has all but cemented this in my head.

 

[pmgamer18]

Then you are suffering for Low T and need to go on TRT.
Phil

 

[RepubCarrier]

Then you are suffering for Low T and need to go on TRT.
Phil

My concerns are that no doctor, possibly not even swale, would put a 19 year old on HRT. I don't want to become infertile before I'm 21 for obvious reasons, and I have no idea how I could get insurance to cover this (and if not covered, then I cannot afford it). whereas a low-dose AI is far cheaper, preserves fertility, and is easier to explain (inevitably) to peers/authorities. I am assuming that a low-dose AI on a permenant basis does not count as HRT. I am hardheaded at times, I just need to see how this (HRT) is even possible for someone my age before I can act on it.

 

[mranak]

In regards the the superdrol, let me ask this question. Considering the low FSH, mid-level LH, and low levels of all the hormones, would this be consistant with an incomplete recovery from the cycle? If so, looks like I will be needing to wait a while to get some additional readings.

Maybe. You could even run a low dose of a SERM for a while, wait at least 4-5 weeks, and get another blood test done.