1g tren 700mg test prop for 12 weeks - 7lbs pure muscle realistic ?

[Pericles]

Omfg. good thing Pericles pointed that out I just went back and read the first page...holy shit the kid is 18...

Stay off the shit kid. Forget everything I said earlier.

Fixed

 

[stomps]

aestheticphysique please take the advise that has been given thats way too much and your to young. If you aren't going to listen and still cycle do not run that much a simple cycle like test and var or something similar should do just fine.

 

[whitegato777]

Or test and peptides

 

[aestheticphysique]

My life my choice. My point is how much gear to pros run how much gear did arnold take for like 10-20 years straight !? Are they on TRT no.

I'm cycling 12 weeks and doing a proper pct for 4 weeks.

Arnold was cycling at 17

 

[pittbox]

This kid is looking for a magic pill.
I think these kids read a profile on tren and literally start to think it is going to make all their dreams come true.
At 19 proper diet and training is all you need.

 

[aestheticphysique]

Nope training and diet stay the same it's a lifestyle every day and i love it.

Without steroids dream physique 7-8 years

With gear - 3 years

 

[pittbox]

Also sounds like your gear might have been severely under dosed ir just bunk.
I've never herd of someone running that much tren and not having a single side effect.

 

[aestheticphysique]

A lot of people do not get any sides from tren a.

 

[Millard]

Yeah, 40 lbs LBM is realistic in 3 years. At least 20-30 lbs is achievable with proper training and nutrition alone at your age/experience level. If not, your genetics suck and/or your training/nutrition suck.

You're likely using AAS for that additional 10lbs LBM. How much AAS do you really need for that extra amount?

Your proposed cycle?

That *might* be needed at the end of three years. But I doubt it. Definitely not as one of your first cycles. My guess is that you can achieve your stated goals by never exceeding half that amount.

 

[aestheticphysique]

Interesting baker, so how much net muscle would you say 1g tren 700g prop could give you in a 12 week cycle and after pct "net gains only muscle" whilst maintaining bf% ?

 

[BigSha]

Dude , chill !!!! Listen to the people here !!! Most of the members are in this game for many years and they know what are they saying . I m young , i touched for first time gear at 21 and never gone more than 800 mgs a weeks in total drug use . What you want to run is for crazy people or Professional Bodybuilders with thousands and thousands hours of training and a very more proper nutrition than yours . You are young man .... Don't play with you health like this .... Trust me

 

[Millard]

Interesting baker, so how much net muscle would you say 1g tren 700g prop could give you in a 12 week cycle and after pct "net gains only muscle" whilst maintaining bf% ?

Too many unknown variables to give a meaningful prediction.

For example, the gains retained depend to a large degree on where you are in relation to your natural muscle potential i.e. max size achieved on endogenous androgen levels. If you could naturally reach 220lbs without steroids but you're currently 190, AAS gains may be greater with most of them retained. AAS will help you get there faster.

It's another story once you pass that limit. However, if you are already 220, AAS gains will be much less with significantly less retention.

Do you know what your limit is?

Getting to that limit doesn't require that much AAS. (And actually, by definition, doesn't require any AAS at all.)

You're probably get there within 3 years anyway (assuming proper training/nutrition).

But never forget that no matter what the given androgen load, it will still take time to max out the gains at that load. Why not max out gains at the lowest possible androgen load first in a step-wise fashion rather than unnecessarily jump to a multi-gram/week load?

The real challenge is learning how to optimize training/diet at each load rather than continually escalating AAS totals.

 

[aestheticphysique]

For a lean bulk on tren and prop is 250 calories over maintence enough ?

 

[DieYoungStrong]

So you want to run all these drugs, but you are asking a nutrition question like that?

Brother we are all here trying to help you. We were all young and dumb once. Some of us are now old and still dumb.

Read what everyone has written, and take their advice.

 

[aestheticphysique]

It's a genuine question , off gear I always lean bulk 250 calories BUT I don't have the knowledge on certain aspects off nutrition on gear for example I have read trenbolone a has excellent nutritional partitioning ie less fat gained so my question isn't unreasonable does tren alow you to eat more over maintence than off gear without the fat gains?

 

[smt71]

Turn 19 July 1st, cycle starts July 1st.

Well first cycle - ran prop 8 weeks then added in tren a for 6 weeks went from 180lbs to 210lbs.

I messed up I looked like shit My bf% went to high and my diet was shit. I was complete noob and messed up.

Since then I have cut to 8% bf , lifestyle is in check everyday gym 6 days week at 8am without fail , and diet is clean and very good !

I had 0 sides on tren not 1 side effect and I took 600mg each week.

Do you have blood work to verify this or are you saying you felt 0 sides?

Years of training?

What is your:
Height?
Current weight?
Chest (in inches)?
Waist?
Arms?
Quads?

Lifts (can be given in reps like 350X10):
Squat?
Bench?
Deadlift?

 

[whitegato777]

Quoting Arnold? Yes he actually started I think at 15. But then doctors actually oversaw and prescribed it back then. And 400mg total in a cycle was normal, not 1g. Plus tren isn't like the test and dbol cycles they took back then.

 

[smt71]

Great 7lbs after pct would be perfect for me whilst maintaining bf % I would reach my 3 year goal.

A.) 1g tren a + 700mg prop ed 12 weeks

B.) 700mg tren and 500mg test prop ed 12 weeks

In terms of muscle gains is a greater than b ?

Not necessarily. IMO neither is optimal.

 

[Pericles]

OP: Step back a bit and look at what is taking place.

You are asking a very "pro steroid" forum for advice, and the advice is to wait and get a few more years of natural training. Think about that fact. We have all given you good reasons to wait.

When I was your age, I started to get into the party scene. I would be out, and very often would end up having sex w/ a slutty girl I met. Banged the shit out of them. You do, realize, that such a heavy cycle at your age means the chances are high that you will not be able to perform like a normal 19 year old.

Oh, and the Arnold "justification," back then cycles among pros were very, very conservative. Arnold liked Primo.

Today, pros are running upwards of 10 grams a week. I am prepping a guy for nationals. He is at nearly 3 grams a week and is about 5 feet 6 inches tall at 180 lbs. Another guy I was going to work with decided he wanted someone else to prep him (we had a dispute over him tapering down to 400 mgs of test.....he has been at 2 grams a week for 4 years straight and is 40) and he is between 3=4 grams a week.

These are all guys seriously risking their health. Is that Really what you want?

 

[BigSha]

250 kcals is a piece of pizza dude if you are going to bulk with that i wish you a good luck !!!