!1st cycle please critique

[Just Fish]

Thanks guys. Just to clarify, I've had elevated PSA twice, but it's no longer elevated. I've also had BPH, related to infections, according to the urologist- twice in 15 years. My research indicated that there is a slight yet elevated risk of High grade cancer from endegenous androgen, however the correlation between elevated exogenous test and elevated psa/bph is mostly unclear. Maybe the resident doc can help clear this up as I don't have the studies on hand.



Thank you. What do you suggest?

Get bloods done again to check your PSA and testosterone numbers. If your PSA is at the very low end of the range then go for it. Run at least 1.5cc of your test. That will be 375 per week anything less is pointless. If you don't have at least a few years lifting experience don't do it. If your diet is not 100% then don't do it

 

[EcpertRealistic]

Thanks for your input. I won't be going anywhere, And I'm afraid- it's difficult to think of the first time.

What do you suggest a sensible first cycle for me?

You are not going to get a response. The only thing he and his buddy been suggesting to everybody is gyno

Haven't been easy for me to straight them up but finally they are showing some improvement. Now they stick their tongues up theirvasses

 

[Just Fish]

You are not going to get a response. The only thing he and his buddy been suggesting to everybody is gyno

I suggest you suck a dick imbecile

 

[AlienHuman]

Get bloods done again to check your PSA and testosterone numbers. If your PSA is at the very low end of the range then go for it. Run at least 1.5cc of your test. That will be 375 per week anything less is pointless. If you don't have at least a few years lifting experience don't do it. If your diet is not 100% then don't do it

Legend. Thank you. Current PSA as of August is 0.5- high end was 4.0 in 2011. I've been lifting for 16 years, but pushed myself close to injury for the last 5 - as we all know, my hormone levels are the limiting factor. My diet is on point- and I'll tighten up even more for test- my natty picture should show that (I have low T!). I really appreciate the dosage advice, I'll take it under consideration.

 

[Remmebersoandso]

Massive credit to OP for starting with a good cycle. 200-250 test for 12 weeks. Lift as heavy as possible and monitor your bloodwork.

What you learn in this first cycle, provided you do bloodwork, will help base all of your decisions and choices around ai control and drug choices.

Very rare to see someone actually use the old brain and logic approach to the first cycle.

Don't get talked into slamming shit loads of crap in you with a kickstart and a bridge and a 40 week cycle etc. Stick to your guns, be sensible and learn your body.

 

[Bullet train]

Massive credit to OP for starting with a good cycle. 200-250 test for 12 weeks. Lift as heavy as possible and monitor your bloodwork.

What you learn in this first cycle, provided you do bloodwork, will help base all of your decisions and choices around ai control and drug choices.

Very rare to see someone actually use the old brain and logic approach to the first cycle.

Don't get talked into slamming shit loads of crap in you with a kickstart and a bridge and a 40 week cycle etc. Stick to your guns, be sensible and learn your body.

200-250MG of test is a good first cycle? Also! Who recommended this guy a 40 week cycle with a bridge and a kick start... No one. Not even that idiot @EcpertRealistic did that! The only one who recommended him anything was @Just Fish and even he recommended a low dose first test cycle of 375mg with bloods to be sure about PSA levels.

So @Remmebersoandso your post here is so off base; seriously, supporting someone running a trt dose for 12 weeks, and shutting them self down for little anabolic affect is not sensible. Especially given that you told him it will help him dial in ai, how is he going to do that if he's hardly aromitizing on little to no test over a trt level. It is absolutely nessasary to run at least 375 mg as @Just Fish recommend, with 500mg being ideal. Although, given OP's elevated PSA levels, i wouldn't recommend him shit. He needs to stay away, for his own health and well being.

 

[Deleted member 59947]

Multi-year lurker here - starting first (small) cycle.

I've done my reading, but research is only half of the picture. Please be honest with critique. Even though I'm an avid reader here, gear is sourced from a place that isn't in high favour on Meso- import issues in my country.

Background
-low T for a couple of years had issues with sides anxiety, depression etc- partially fixed with diet.
-Lifting natty for many years, happy with progress - Please see natty pics with low T.
-Was also massively overweight (double current weight at peak - loose skin as a result).
-DHT conversion issues too - says endo- (raised PSA occassionally in 20s - no hairloss).
-No morning wood for years but high sex drive if I leave it a few days to a week, current Gf has no sex drive so that may have something to do with it.
-Had E2 issues young, Gyno removed (too much! keen to see if cycle will fix this by stretching skin out - check picture).

Stats
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Age: 33
Height 6"0
Weight 185 lbs.
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Averaging. Bloodwork values for the last couple of years (off the top of my head):
T 10.1 = 12.1 nmol/l (~350 ng/dl - high 550, low 246 - always measured first thing in the morning.
Free T < 100
E2 39
LH/FSH 1.1/2.0
Chol:HDLC Ratio 1.8:1
Mildly anemic at 129 (min ref. 130)
Hematocrit 39
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Plan:

Anabolic Innovation (AUS UGL- any experiences?) Test E 250mg/ml x 10 ml bottle. I have 23g 1.5", upper glute (this is the toughest part for me).

Planning on drawing 0.7ml - 200 mg dose

1. Weeks 1 - 10 ~200 mg x 10 weeks

2. Week 6 - Mid cycle bloods

3. Week 12 - Clomid 25 ED x 2 weeks (cut 100 tab into 4 - can I do this with indian generics?)

On hand:

Aromasin
Finasteride
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Not sure if any of you remember back to your first pin, but practising in the mirror really isn't preparing me. I plan to aspirate etc, but really it's hard to begin - I've thought this through though - I don't want to go on orals or TRT - Any thoughts, bashing or comments welcome.

Dht conversion linked to PSA issues?

What does that mean: you have too much or too little DHT?

For your info DHT isn't the main culprit in prostate issues, E2 is.

High DHT has a lot of benefits, including lowering incidence of prostate cancers.

And lowering your 5AR activity with finasteride will bring you to another world of mental/physical issues, which you will have a hard time exiting.

 

[AlienHuman]

Massive credit to OP for starting with a good cycle. 200-250 test for 12 weeks. Lift as heavy as possible and monitor your bloodwork.

What you learn in this first cycle, provided you do bloodwork, will help base all of your decisions and choices around ai control and drug choices.

Very rare to see someone actually use the old brain and logic approach to the first cycle.

Don't get talked into slamming shit loads of crap in you with a kickstart and a bridge and a 40 week cycle etc. Stick to your guns, be sensible and learn your body.

Thank you. This seems measured and sensible to me too, and hopefully my plan reads somewhat like this. I'm apprehensive but mostly prepared.

Dht conversion linked to PSA issues?

What does that mean: you have too much or too little DHT?

For your info DHT isn't the main culprit in prostate issues, E2 is.

High DHT has a lot of benefits, including lowering incidence of prostate cancers.

And lowering your 5AR activity with finasteride will bring you to another world of mental/physical issues, which you will have a hard time exiting.

You're a lifesaver. I don't know the answer, I'm just regurgitating what my endo said in passing, I should really read the literature like I have for other things.

I clearly have a fair bit of research to do before nuking myself with finasteride. I'll save it for later adventures, if any - it may be necessary to abort my experiment if I have any BPH or associated issues, however unlikely.

 

[Remmebersoandso]

200-250MG of test is a good first cycle? Also! Who recommended this guy a 40 week cycle with a bridge and a kick start... No one. Not even that idiot @EcpertRealistic did that! The only one who recommended him anything was @Just Fish and even he recommended a low dose first test cycle of 375mg with bloods to be sure about PSA levels.

So @Remmebersoandso your post here is so off base; seriously, supporting someone running a trt dose for 12 weeks, and shutting them self down for little anabolic affect is not sensible. Especially given that you told him it will help him dial in ai, how is he going to do that if he's hardly aromitizing on little to no test over a trt level. It is absolutely nessasary to run at least 375 mg as @Just Fish recommend, with 500mg being ideal. Although, given OP's elevated PSA levels, i wouldn't recommend him shit. He needs to stay away, for his own health and well being.

I won't reply to everything false in this reply, just in the interest of time, I'll just cover the main ones.

250mg is massively over natural hormone levels, especially when you have low levels to begin with.

AI are different by person. Some get away with it, some dont.

Future cycles may not go over this dose of test, giving him knowledge of ai control.

 

[Bullet train]

I won't reply to everything false in this reply, just in the interest of time, I'll just cover the main ones.

250mg is massively over natural hormone levels, especially when you have low levels to begin with.

AI are different by person. Some get away with it, some dont.

Future cycles may not go over this dose of test, giving him knowledge of ai control.

Well for the "interest of time" I'll simply disagree with you.

 

[Oldschool]

200-250MG of test is a good first cycle? Also! Who recommended this guy a 40 week cycle with a bridge and a kick start... No one. Not even that idiot @EcpertRealistic did that! The only one who recommended him anything was @Just Fish and even he recommended a low dose first test cycle of 375mg with bloods to be sure about PSA levels.

So @Remmebersoandso your post here is so off base; seriously, supporting someone running a trt dose for 12 weeks, and shutting them self down for little anabolic affect is not sensible. Especially given that you told him it will help him dial in ai, how is he going to do that if he's hardly aromitizing on little to no test over a trt level. It is absolutely nessasary to run at least 375 mg as @Just Fish recommend, with 500mg being ideal. Although, given OP's elevated PSA levels, i wouldn't recommend him shit. He needs to stay away, for his own health and well being.

At 22 years of age you sure know alot

 

[Bullet train]

At 22 years of age you sure know alot

Thank you!

 

[Oldschool]

Thank you!

Just read your introductory post. You will crash and burn in a year or two if you don't close that mouth and open them eyes and ears. Best of luck to you.

 

[Remmebersoandso]

Just read your introductory post. You will crash and burn in a year or two if you don't close that mouth and open them eyes and ears. Best of luck to you.

Made me curious to read. So I did. Wish I didn't. Quite frankly embarrassed I defended my post to him.

 

[Bullet train]

Just read your introductory post. You will crash and burn in a year or two if you don't close that mouth and open them eyes and ears. Best of luck to you.

Made me curious to read. So I did. Wish I didn't. Quite frankly embarrassed I defended my post to him.

Every little haters gonna hate.

 

[Oldschool]

Every little haters gonna hate.

If your friend really did pass away last night do you fucking understand what I meant now?

 

[Bullet train]

If your friend really did pass away last night do you fucking understand what I meant now?

Yeah

 

[AlienHuman]

Hey all just a quick week 2 bloods update. Would appreciate any comments. I ended up taking 175 mg instead of 200.

Blood was drawn at trough in between pins ( 4 days from last pin - avg is e3.5d pin )

Testo 37.0 H
Free TT 908 H
E2 173 H ( this measurement is different to normal - ref range 50-160) which means by normal measurement it is around 45 - high)

Hct 45
Everything else is within range except ESR 11 ref 1-10

Being sound and reasonable, do I want to take an AI? I feel no high e2 symptoms. My main concern is dvt/pe type stuff- but I understand that AIs also are thrombogenic. Is it fucking retarded to consider taking one to reduce that risk at an e2 of ~45?


Other than that, strength and sex drive are spiking now. Thanks all

 

[EcpertRealistic]

200-250MG of test is a good first cycle? Also! Who recommended this guy a 40 week cycle with a bridge and a kick start... No one. Not even that idiot @EcpertRealistic did that! The only one who recommended him anything was @Just Fish and even he recommended a low dose first test cycle of 375mg with bloods to be sure about PSA levels.

So @Remmebersoandso your post here is so off base; seriously, supporting someone running a trt dose for 12 weeks, and shutting them self down for little anabolic affect is not sensible. Especially given that you told him it will help him dial in ai, how is he going to do that if he's hardly aromitizing on little to no test over a trt level. It is absolutely nessasary to run at least 375 mg as @Just Fish recommend, with 500mg being ideal. Although, given OP's elevated PSA levels, i wouldn't recommend him shit. He needs to stay away, for his own health and well being.

He never said he wanted to compete on Mr. Olympia.
Stop pusing people to run gyno inducing dosages of aromatizing compounds.

Even people with normal t levels gain 20 pounds easy with only a low test cycle. That doesn't apply to you because you are always on gear and reached a dose dependant plateau

 

[EcpertRealistic]

E2 173 H ( this measurement is different to normal - ref range 50-160) which means by normal measurement it is around 45 - high)

Just above normal. You would need to cut an Aromasin pill into quantillion pieces : - )

Something like 3mgs Aromasin every 5 days might help bring it down to 30. Estrogen is more suppressive to the hpta than testosterone itself, so it must be kept under control if you want an easier recovery of your natural production



Tomatoes may help lowering your PSA numbers. Also add plenty of vegetables and leafy greens to your diet now that you are gaining weight. Would like to see your next bloods after a good diet.