Hey guys, so I'm going to run a four week cycle of Oral Tbol (40mg a day once it arrives) and I was wondering what I should order for PCT to get my functions back up to normal? I've been reading all sorts of things so I just wanted to get some thoughts specifically on this. Is it possible to keep it to things that are oral/topical only?
MESO-Rx
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1st cycle, Tbol only, PCT?
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You will not keep any gains, just FYI
You will not keep any gains, just FYI
steroidsfax
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There is no difference in pct from an oral only cycle or an injectable cycle. Suppression is suppression. Follow the same protocol. Which is Nolva/Clomid combo.
steroidsfax
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There are trandermal forms of testosterone.
And absolutely adding test would IMO be the best way to hold some gains.
You need to add some test....... respectfully, you need to do a ton more research too.
Scared of needles? If you're coming over to the dark side, its something you'll have to get over...... I was too, but FYO pinning really isn't that bad.
I totally respect and agree with your advice for more research. I've just been trying to sift my way through a lot of info that's out there (sometimes some of which can be rather conflicting).
After researching so many different AAS, PH, etc. I finally decided that planning a cycle might be the best way to focus my learning by starting small and building from there. I don't want to move forward with anything until I feel like I'm making the best informed decisions that I can; and I think by actually starting to assemble things it may be the best tool to finding my footing.
As far as needles go, it's not that I'm scared of them per se, it's more that I just don't feel quite ready to dive completely into the deep end of the pool just yet.
I really appreciate being able to talk things through with others here who have experience with this, because I just don't have access to anyone like you guys in my daily life, you know what I mean?
After researching so many different AAS, PH, etc. I finally decided that planning a cycle might be the best way to focus my learning by starting small and building from there. I don't want to move forward with anything until I feel like I'm making the best informed decisions that I can; and I think by actually starting to assemble things it may be the best tool to finding my footing.
As far as needles go, it's not that I'm scared of them per se, it's more that I just don't feel quite ready to dive completely into the deep end of the pool just yet.
I really appreciate being able to talk things through with others here who have experience with this, because I just don't have access to anyone like you guys in my daily life, you know what I mean?
PreludeToSilence
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Actually man, a Test only cycle would be good for a first run. Don't let the needles make you feel like you are doing anything more dangerous. Also, injecting is a lot better as far as the liver is concerned.
Anyway, starting like 500mg/week with Test E (or C) is typically a good beginner cycle in my opinion. Some of my friends even started at 250mg/week with good results. Have a good AI during cycle (aromasin for example) and HCG for near the end of cycle and then the standard protocol of SERMS (clomid/nolva) for PCT. Just do some more research on that approach.
Granted that you are a healthy individual, I think you would be very pleased with the results.
Anyway, starting like 500mg/week with Test E (or C) is typically a good beginner cycle in my opinion. Some of my friends even started at 250mg/week with good results. Have a good AI during cycle (aromasin for example) and HCG for near the end of cycle and then the standard protocol of SERMS (clomid/nolva) for PCT. Just do some more research on that approach.
Granted that you are a healthy individual, I think you would be very pleased with the results.
I agree with Mythotik u will not keep hardly gain at all.
I ran a cycle of anadrol for my first time trying roids.
I did gain 16 pounds but lost about 95% of that.
But u need to do things your way on your time.
I was a little nervous at first pinning but now I
don't even think about it. Just a little sting for big result.
Good luck!
I ran a cycle of anadrol for my first time trying roids.
I did gain 16 pounds but lost about 95% of that.
But u need to do things your way on your time.
I was a little nervous at first pinning but now I
don't even think about it. Just a little sting for big result.
Good luck!
You seem like a smart guy, and you have a really good attitude towards the whole issue....... A rare thing most of the time.
When I first started doing some research about AAS, what really struck me was that taking AAS orally IS actually far worse as far as harming your body. Any oral that you take will have an adverse affect on your liver and kidneys.
Injectables on the other hand bypass your liver, and therefore no damage.... I know it seems like a hardcore thing, but its really not..... Knowing what I know now, it was FAR less harmful than the pro-hormones I used to pop when I was a kid.
Injecting something like Testosterone in a moderate dose isn't dangerous at all if you do your homework, be responsible and inject clean gear.
List your goals, your stats etc etc...... There's a ton of knowledge on this board, I'm sure the guys here would be happy to help you plan something out according to your goals.
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Some people might disagree, but as was already stated Test is the base of any good cycle..... Test E or C only needs to be injected 2x a week, and really is all that's needed the first time around.
If you run AAS your body will sense an overload of test and shut down production...... If what your running isn't test, then basically you've got no test in your body, which will mean very bad things will start to happen.
I've run a bunch of different compounds, and so far Test is what has given me the best results with the least amount of sides. If you really hate feeling strong, young and healthy then don't use test lol.
Pericles
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You have gotten good advice, and yes, your attitude is good (rarity).
If you can't/wont pin, don't even start. A test only cycle is usually the best choice, but using the Tbol and 400 mgs/week of test to kick-start is not a bad idea.
After first month run test at 500 for 4 more weeks. Most vets here will argue that a long acting ester will naturally taper, but I taper down anyway, and as a result keep most of my gains. So, after week 8 I would go down to 300 mg test, then 200.
Also, this^ changes your pct. You need all the test to completely clear, and that is why I do an HCG run, 1.5K IU's e2d for 3 weeks.
If you can't/wont pin, don't even start. A test only cycle is usually the best choice, but using the Tbol and 400 mgs/week of test to kick-start is not a bad idea.
After first month run test at 500 for 4 more weeks. Most vets here will argue that a long acting ester will naturally taper, but I taper down anyway, and as a result keep most of my gains. So, after week 8 I would go down to 300 mg test, then 200.
Also, this^ changes your pct. You need all the test to completely clear, and that is why I do an HCG run, 1.5K IU's e2d for 3 weeks.
PreludeToSilence
New Member
I agree with everything Pericles said. Actually, now that I think about it -- my best cycle was my 2nd cycle when I did do the tapering off method. I say best because that was the cycle I kept most of my gains.
Anyway, to reiterate what I (and others) have said -- definitely consider the test only cycle.
Anyway, to reiterate what I (and others) have said -- definitely consider the test only cycle.
Pericles
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I am starting my 3rd week of a taper. I ran test e/p 350 mgs' a week, 350 mast, 50-60 mgs var on days I lifted. I dropped var an mast, and ran 2-300 mgs of tren e for 2.5 weeks at the end.
I dropped tren, stayed at 350 test e for a week, cut back to 250-300 for a week, and am doing 220 this week, starting my HCG run 4-5 days after last 100 mg shot of test. Typically, I would run HCG and up my AI for 2.5-3 weeks, and then start my pct end game, w/ Clomid and Nolva. This protocol worked for me for many years.
However, last time, it seems that my body is not responding to the SERMs. I am 50, and am on TRT, so I can just go back to trt levels (200 mg of test/week) if I want. I have been using gear for 15 years. I started at 30, went off completely at age 43, was fine for 5 years, and then my natural test dropped resulting in trt.
BTW, guys if you start gear too soon (before 25) you will most likely need replacement before you are 30. Seen this many, many times. When I was 30, I could bang any chick (assuming she has a good body) all night, and was gtg any time. Now, if I want to bang my wife on Sat, I need to do a shot of test Thursday. I can live w/ this because, hey, I am 50.
However, would you really want to be dependent on exogenous test at 30?
I dropped tren, stayed at 350 test e for a week, cut back to 250-300 for a week, and am doing 220 this week, starting my HCG run 4-5 days after last 100 mg shot of test. Typically, I would run HCG and up my AI for 2.5-3 weeks, and then start my pct end game, w/ Clomid and Nolva. This protocol worked for me for many years.
However, last time, it seems that my body is not responding to the SERMs. I am 50, and am on TRT, so I can just go back to trt levels (200 mg of test/week) if I want. I have been using gear for 15 years. I started at 30, went off completely at age 43, was fine for 5 years, and then my natural test dropped resulting in trt.
BTW, guys if you start gear too soon (before 25) you will most likely need replacement before you are 30. Seen this many, many times. When I was 30, I could bang any chick (assuming she has a good body) all night, and was gtg any time. Now, if I want to bang my wife on Sat, I need to do a shot of test Thursday. I can live w/ this because, hey, I am 50.
However, would you really want to be dependent on exogenous test at 30?
PreludeToSilence
New Member
Yea, the game definitely changes when you can blast and cruise. I also agree that one should really think about all the risks regarding the decision on when to start using gear. Personally, I feel once you feel you've hit your genetic potential is when that decision should be made... but, I'm not here to judge anyone whatsoever. A lot of cool and knowledgeable dudes here from what I can tell so far. I don't ever look down on someone that uses gear in their 20's per se but they should definitely know what could come of the next 50-60 years because of it.
Just a quick reply ... You guys are awesome. I really appreciate all of the great info you've shared; lots of things to think about and consider further.
A quick question that I'd love your input on. I've been doing so much research on PCT and what I don't quite understand is why do you take Clomid and Nolv together? They seem like they do essentially the same thing, no?
A quick question that I'd love your input on. I've been doing so much research on PCT and what I don't quite understand is why do you take Clomid and Nolv together? They seem like they do essentially the same thing, no?
MANWHORE
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