1st oral cycle winny, var and albuterol..

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After 2 years of training, I hit a plateau like clockwork. I've tried different natural methods to break through and after 5 months, not had the results I expected. So I've gone the oral AS route with daily doses of winny 5mg, var 5mg and 4mg albuterol. I have issues with insomnia so I didnt go with Clen. It's (only) day 4 and apart from noticing a slight increase in sex drive, that's all I've noticed right now. My goal is to gain a little more muscle and more definition. I'm currently at 18% bf, lift moderate weight 4 days a wk with 20/30 mins stair master cardio each day. There isn't a lot of information out there for women so basically what I want to know is, is this going to be an effective stack for a 4 to 5 week cycle and what to expect? Thanks for your help!
 

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At 5' 4" and 127lbs my daily caloric intake goal is to get as close to 2000 a day and maintenance would be 1500.
My days look like:
Morning - 16oz homemade iced coffee w/no sugar, spalsh of soy milk; 25g protein shake; gluten free oatmeal with water.
Lunch - 40g meat protein with 1cup fruit or veg, Xtend bcaa intraworkout + creatine drink with 20+ oz water.
Workout - 1.5 hrs
Post workout & Dinner - 25g Protein shake mixed with 1 scoop of carb powder; meat protein with any veggies, water with Xtend.
Snack could be - soy yogurt, soy icecream, soy nutbutter on bananas, gluten free waffel w sugarfree syrup..
A few years ago, my food tolerances started changing drastically, so that's another balancing act.
 
Yeah I would think the winstrol would be a better compound for you when working in a caloric deficit. However, I'm not familiar with how it can be used with females. The Albuterol is good for caloric deficit also but I'll take it at other times myself also. @GearGodess is well versed in PED's for females - I'm sure she'd love to step in and give you some guidance. I learn something almost every time I see her post.
 
I combined the Winstrol and Var after weeks of obsessive reading, seeing a trend with the common logic being, winny would promote strength and steady muscle gains while the var being supposedly less potent, would boost the fat loss. It sounds pretty straight forward (which i liked) and apart from a few individuals side effect susceptibility, the majority of reported results were really good, so I concluded they tend to work well together.. and could hopefully work for me too.
 
Yeah I would think the winstrol would be a better compound for you when working in a caloric deficit. However, I'm not familiar with how it can be used with females. The Albuterol is good for caloric deficit also but I'll take it at other times myself also. @GearGodess is well versed in PED's for females - I'm sure she'd love to step in and give you some guidance. I learn something almost every time I see her post.
Thanks Eman. I'll check her out.
 
I combined the Winstrol and Var after weeks of obsessive reading, seeing a trend with the common logic being, winny would promote strength and steady muscle gains while the var being supposedly less potent, would boost the fat loss. It sounds pretty straight forward (which i liked) and apart from a few individuals side effect susceptibility, the majority of reported results were really good, so I concluded they tend to work well together.. and could hopefully work for me too.
Reading is a good thing to do don't get me wrong, but in my opinion and my experience with both compounds with women it is a waste.

Example: a girl I help, starting weight 112 5'7, she started anavar and ran it 4 weeks at 10mg, 4 weeks at 20mg. She went from 112 to 135. Strength was amazing, she can squat around 190 for reps. After her cycle she lost absolutely no size or weight, her waist is the same size but everywhere else looks crazy from before and after.

I'm not saying the mix is bad or won't get you where you want to be, I just personally don't see a need in running two orals being as new to peds as you are. Also something you cold look into is hgh frag or igf 1 lr3. The girl I was talking about is on another cycle right now and is running igf-1 and is loving it.

I know I'm not a girl and I won't feel the same as a girl on aas, but I do help a lot of girls that compete all the way down to just average girls at the gym.
 
Reading is a good thing to do don't get me wrong, but in my opinion and my experience with both compounds with women it is a waste.

Example: a girl I help, starting weight 112 5'7, she started anavar and ran it 4 weeks at 10mg, 4 weeks at 20mg. She went from 112 to 135. Strength was amazing, she can squat around 190 for reps. After her cycle she lost absolutely no size or weight, her waist is the same size but everywhere else looks crazy from before and after.

I'm not saying the mix is bad or won't get you where you want to be, I just personally don't see a need in running two orals being as new to peds as you are. Also something you cold look into is hgh frag or igf 1 lr3. The girl I was talking about is on another cycle right now and is running igf-1 and is loving it.

I know I'm not a girl and I won't feel the same as a girl on aas, but I do help a lot of girls that compete all the way down to just average girls at the gym.
Thank you achilles87! That's the type of stuff I need to know. The results of the girl you mentioned gives me hope. Is 8 weeks considered a short or long cycle? Since this is only day 4, I will probably end up going with one or the other, and the albuterol. This plateau is driving me crazy, so i wanted to try to get as much guarantee of results, so doubling up seemed the way to go. I will ask you about your friends igf-1 experience in a couple of weeks because I was actually considering that and hgh too but I couldn't find sufficient reviews on oral versions (please recommend) so I went the winny/var route because it seemed more common and simple to run. Sooo much freaking reading but I gotta do it. I really appreciate your help!
 
Yes, but I've only come across injectable hgh and igf-1 so far, and I can't pin.. at all.

Legit growth hormone and igf-1 are not taken orally they are taken by injection. Taking it any other way is a waste of time and money... They can be taken with very small gauge syringe as well. If you are too scared of a little pinch then get someone else to do it the first time. Do it once and you'll laugh at yourself for making a big deal out of it.

However - HGH and other peptide injections are often spread throughout the day up to three times and it is often very expensive especially considering it is going to be run for 6 months just to see the full benefits. So... yeah probably wanna stick with that anavar for now if you're not up for all that.
 
Thank you achilles87! That's the type of stuff I need to know. The results of the girl you mentioned gives me hope. Is 8 weeks considered a short or long cycle? Since this is only day 4, I will probably end up going with one or the other, and the albuterol. This plateau is driving me crazy, so i wanted to try to get as much guarantee of results, so doubling up seemed the way to go. I will ask you about your friends igf-1 experience in a couple of weeks because I was actually considering that and hgh too but I couldn't find sufficient reviews on oral versions (please recommend) so I went the winny/var route because it seemed more common and simple to run. Sooo much freaking reading but I gotta do it. I really appreciate your help!
Trust me legit anavar will do amazing things for you if your diet and training is right. The girl I was talking about was stuck at 112 for a year and her diet and training were pretty good. We added the var and damn did it do amazing things, it was really good anavar tho so that's another thing. I don't want to disrespect my friend so I will keep it clean lol, but my arms were bigger than her legs and now she just looks crazy hahaha in a good way.

You can reach your goals trust me, you just have to remember this ain't a race it takes time and a lot of it lol. You are doing really good from your picture so you should be proud of that.

As for the igf-1 and hgh don't buy anything that claims its oral in my opinion. She said she couldn't do needles, but it's so small you won't even feel it I promise. You can use a 31g needle and it won't bother you at all. She pins herself now, I did at first but she started and said its no problem.

Keep doing what you're doing its working and if you ever need anything we are always here.
 
Yeah I would think the winstrol would be a better compound for you when working in a caloric deficit. However, I'm not familiar with how it can be used with females. The Albuterol is good for caloric deficit also but I'll take it at other times myself also. @GearGodess is well versed in PED's for females - I'm sure she'd love to step in and give you some guidance. I learn something almost every time I see her post.
Thank you! I'm here let me catch up and I'll give my 2 cents...
 
After 2 years of training, I hit a plateau like clockwork. I've tried different natural methods to break through and after 5 months, not had the results I expected. So I've gone the oral AS route with daily doses of winny 5mg, var 5mg and 4mg albuterol. I have issues with insomnia so I didnt go with Clen. It's (only) day 4 and apart from noticing a slight increase in sex drive, that's all I've noticed right now. My goal is to gain a little more muscle and more definition. I'm currently at 18% bf, lift moderate weight 4 days a wk with 20/30 mins stair master cardio each day. There isn't a lot of information out there for women so basically what I want to know is, is this going to be an effective stack for a 4 to 5 week cycle and what to expect? Thanks for your help!
Ok... the general feel of the responses you got are exactly the same as to what I'm thinking... being new and mixing so many compounds isn't the greatest idea. Especially if you don't know how you respond to each on its own.

In my opinion, and I'll address the diet post in a sec. Pick one var or winny and run that for at least 8-12 or 6-8 weeks. I'll explain in a sec. Let me get one myth out, Var is NOT a fat burner. It will assist with it if diet and training is on point and usually helps with the belly as it is known to "flatten it" in both men and women. It's almost as it targets the mid section.

If you go the var route, 5mg is low, it's an ok start but you can take up to 20mg. I would increase to 10mg in your second week if no sides then again the week after... as long as youre not getting any undesirable sides...if you are wanting to harden up, get some strength, get more lean mass and just about no bad sides as it's very mild but potent compound. Var is a slow but solid lean mass gains that you will most likely keep after cycle... you want to plan on taking it for a good 8-12 weeks. It won't get you huge and you wouldn't put on 20 lbs in such a short time or "blow" up. Var doesn't blow you up. You may shrink in inches but scale will be the same or may go up a few pounds... If it does, it may not be var. You probably ended up with dbol. Also, as I mentioned in many other threads, with var you must keep your protein and water in check. Of course clean diet is always beneficial to any compound and to get results.

Now winny, you can also run it up to 25mg...6-8 weeks is a good run. You should notice more size on winny but what's nice about it, you will have even more strength than var. Winny is a less patient compound. You should expect to increase on the scale as well.

Out of these two, since this is your first run, I'd run var. Less sides, solid lean gains you will keep, and no rebounds.

As for Albuterol and not clen. I actually prefer Albuterol. If paired with T3 for about 6 weeks, it's an incredible fat burning combo. Plus you can run it straight without needing to do the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off like clen. Albuterol will preserve your muscle and burn fat. How are you running the Albuterol?

Ok...diet... let me read that post so I can reply...
 
Yes, but I've only come across injectable hgh and igf-1 so far, and I can't pin.. at all.
If you are looking into gh or igf... if only for the overall well being and youthfulness and fat burning, you only need 1iu... take once a day with insulin needle. You won't even feel it. It will be like a mosquito bite or less. You can do it subQ and you won't feel a thing. If you want it more for growth then you're looking at about 2-3iu a day. It's actually pretty cheap for us women as one kit will last you over 3 months if you're doing 1iu based on the standard 100iu kits.
 
At 5' 4" and 127lbs my daily caloric intake goal is to get as close to 2000 a day and maintenance would be 1500.
My days look like:
Morning - 16oz homemade iced coffee w/no sugar, spalsh of soy milk; 25g protein shake; gluten free oatmeal with water.
Lunch - 40g meat protein with 1cup fruit or veg, Xtend bcaa intraworkout + creatine drink with 20+ oz water.
Workout - 1.5 hrs
Post workout & Dinner - 25g Protein shake mixed with 1 scoop of carb powder; meat protein with any veggies, water with Xtend.
Snack could be - soy yogurt, soy icecream, soy nutbutter on bananas, gluten free waffel w sugarfree syrup..
A few years ago, my food tolerances started changing drastically, so that's another balancing act.
Ok diet.... you're on the right track but from a quick count, you're pretty high in sugars... your protein is pretty low, especially for someone your size taking aas. Watch your sodium and sugar intake.

Ideally stick to at least 2g of protein per pound of your weight per day... plus have them evenly spread out. Every meal should have protein in it. At least 25g...I would skip fruit for the time being except for half banana post workout. Pick lean meats such as chicken breast or white fish. Also oatmeal is super important especially in the morning. Other carbs should be complex and fibrous such as dark green veggies... some sweet potato and rice but keep it in the first part of your day. If you're starting your day with coffee, also have 2 glasses of water as equivalent to replenish. Coffee really dehydrates your body. So not the most ideal for first thing but as long as you have your water and breaky with protein, good fats and oatmeal. I don't see very many good fats? Or did I miss them. May need to reread the post.... but incorporate walnuts or almonds or maybe a little peanut butter and eggs. Females require more protein and good fats than carbs. Especially being in late 20's you will notice everything started to slow down so we need to trick our bodies. Once you're 30 and up... our bodies tend to hate the carbs that we used to love.
Also, timing of your meals. You can have something up to the time you go to bed. Make sure you have something every 3 hours to ensure you get enough fuel so you recover fast and keep burning fat.

Cardio, keep doing it. I truly swear by fasted cardio. No matter what others say. It works wonders. 30min as soon as you wake up on empty stomach. but keep the other cardio sessions as well.
 
If you are looking into gh or igf... if only for the overall well being and youthfulness and fat burning, you only need 1iu... take once a day with insulin needle. You won't even feel it. It will be like a mosquito bite or less. You can do it subQ and you won't feel a thing. If you want it more for growth then you're looking at about 2-3iu a day. It's actually pretty cheap for us women as one kit will last you over 3 months if you're doing 1iu based on the standard 100iu kits.
Thank you for your input. My girlfriend was wanting me to get her on clen winny and var and I just don't know enough about compounds for women.. This definitely helped.
 
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