250-500mg testosterone + anavar? First cycle.

[JackHoffman]

How long till this shit kicks in? Just about a week in to 500mg test/week (250mg test E taken 2x per week) been taking HCG along with it. 900iu 2x a week. I don’t know if I notice anything but I certainly haven’t noticed any side effects or anything negative. I kind just wanna take Anavar at 50mg per day and see what that’s like. Should I just go for it or just see what this testosterone dose is like first? How long should I wait to introduce Anavar or you think just 500 for 12 weeks? What am I waiting for exactly? Is anything going to be different say a month from now at 500? I didnt have really low T but not high. Like 400-500 natural.

 

[Texas01]

Give it 3-4 weeks to fully saturate. A week is nothing, seems like you’re just excited for results. Hold off on the var, 500 test will do enough

 

[readalot]

How long till this shit kicks in? Just about a week in to 500mg test/week (250mg test E taken 2x per week) been taking HCG along with it. 900iu 2x a week. I don’t know if I notice anything but I certainly haven’t noticed any side effects or anything negative. I kind just wanna take Anavar at 50mg per day and see what that’s like. Should I just go for it or just see what this testosterone dose is like first? How long should I wait to introduce Anavar or you think just 500 for 12 weeks? What am I waiting for exactly? Is anything going to be different say a month from now at 500? I didnt have really low T but not high. Like 400-500 natural.

Real questions or rhetorical?

what is your plan? Cycle on and off? Frequency?

I'd just stop there and regroup. Just stop injecting after a week. Really study up on hpta and what you are doing before jumping in head first.


To get you started...

Chapter 12 - Hypothalamo-Pituitary Unit, Testis, and Male Accessory Organs

Read this chapter. Chapter 12 - Hypothalamo-Pituitary Unit, Testis, and Male Accessory Organs https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780323479127000123?via%3Dihub From https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780323479127/yen-and-jaffes-reproductive-endocrinology

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[SlowSloth]

Depends on your unique physiology. Like Texas01 said, give your body some time and assess how you're feeling. You've just introduced two compounds so assess how you react and make adjustments accordingly based on how you feel and lab work. Once you know how your body handles test E and HCG then I would consider adding in the anavar. I advise to start low and slow because introducing large amounts of androgens rapidly shifts the physiology and can lead to undesirable symptoms. Go get those gains!

Give it 3-4 weeks to fully saturate. A week is nothing, seems like you’re just excited for results. Hold off on the var, 500 test will do enou

 

[SlowSloth]

Real questions or rhetorical?

what is your plan? Cycle on and off? Frequency?

I'd just stop there and regroup. Just stop injecting after a week. Really study up on hpta and what you are doing before jumping in head first.


To get you started...

Chapter 12 - Hypothalamo-Pituitary Unit, Testis, and Male Accessory Organs

Read this chapter. Chapter 12 - Hypothalamo-Pituitary Unit, Testis, and Male Accessory Organs https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780323479127000123?via%3Dihub From https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780323479127/yen-and-jaffes-reproductive-endocrinology

www.excelmale.com

All good questions for the poster. They need to make sure they have their whole game plan from start to finish and understand the potential consequences aside from the upsides of AAS usage.

 

[JackHoffman]

Just plan to blast and cruise for a few years and probably go TRT after that. I’m 39. Just gonna keep HCG going probably indefinitely and try to find the lowest effective dose. I plan to cruise more like 250mg test but I haven’t really experienced any of this yet. I’ll probably wait a month before trying any Anavar. Or do you think just bulk with only test and cut with Anavar + Test? Ya just have heard orals give some fast changes and Anavar is among the safer ones. My knowledge of what I am getting into is not bad. I researched for years before this and was mostly afraid of getting shut down but it’s not really a concern to me anymore. Maybe I won’t even like any of this and I’ll just stop who knows.

 

[JackHoffman]

Just plan to blast and cruise for a few years and probably go TRT after that. I’m 39. Just gonna keep HCG going probably indefinitely and try to find the lowest effective dose. I plan to cruise more like 250mg test but I haven’t really experienced any of this yet. I’ll probably wait a month before trying any Anavar. Or do you think just bulk with only test and cut with Anavar + Test? Ya just have heard orals give some fast changes and Anavar is among the safer ones. My knowledge of what I am getting into is not bad. I researched for years before this and was mostly afraid of getting shut down but it’s not really a concern to me anymore. Maybe I won’t even like any of this and I’ll just stop who knows.

I guess main thing that interests me about roids is muscle retention than gains. I can gain lots of fat and muscle but when I cut I don’t want to lose that shit. I still haven’t really bulked much because of my body type. I could probably blow up natural but I know I will look like shit is the thing.

 

[readalot]

How long till this shit kicks in? Just about a week in to 500mg test/week (250mg test E taken 2x per week) been taking HCG along with it. 900iu 2x a week

My knowledge of what I am getting into is not bad. I researched for years before this

 

[readalot]

First cycle : 200/250 mg per week test ester (hCG is fine)

Preferably you run your "cycles" off a TRT base if you plan on doing this long term to avoid the 1.1 steps forward and 1.2 steps back with poorly designed cycles. Or you break from cycles for only 4 to 8 weeks like they used to do. Time on = time off makes no sense from consistent muscle gain perspective. Make sure you know what you are getting into.

blast and cruise? Better figure out how your body responds to cruise first.

 

[readalot]

Anavar is among the safer ones.

Why do you say this? Source?

 

[readalot]

I guess main thing that interests me about roids is muscle retention than gains. I can gain lots of fat and muscle but when I cut I don’t want to lose that shit. I still haven’t really bulked much because of my body type. I could probably blow up natural but I know I will look like shit is the thing.

Get your waist circumference to height ratio down to 0.5. Strip the fat. You will be small. Slowly add muscle over next few years while maintaining or actually reducing BF as you go. Quality.

 

[SlowSloth]

I run HCG constantly as well to help maintain testicular function and volume, ejaculate volume, and neurosteroid production. Be mindful of the increased E2 with HCG. Depending on if you aromatize a lot you may find more frequent test injections beneficial as this can reduce the rate of aromatization and help prevent elevated hematocrit. It comes down to listening to how your body is feeling and verifying where you are at with lab work and making adjustments accordingly based on results, literature, physician's advice, and your personal physiology. Hopefully you have AI on hand if need. Natural AIs include white button mushroom and DIM supplement (off the top of my head).

Yes, anavar can provide very rapid changes. However, you are going to want to check your kidney function through CMP, cystatin C, and urinalysis as the kidneys play a significant role in processing anavar. Cystatin C is important because CMP will likely show increased eGFR and creatinine because you are likely working out more frequently and consuming larger portions of protein, thus it is a good assessment for kidney function. Remember, the kidneys do not recover nearly as well as the liver. You will also want to check your lipids and go more in depth with apolipoprotein A-1, B and B:A1 ratio. Anavar can significantly lower HDL and increase LDL and if you are at risk for atherosclerosis then you need to be extra careful. I advise you go get a calcium score to know your baseline. Additionally, monitor your BP because hypertension will put increased strain on kidney function and couple that with anavar being heavily metaboloized by the kidneys...then you're just increasing the risk for long term renal damage. Remember, what is "safe" is multifactorial and depends on lifestyle, genetics, family history, etc.
-Note: the liver has a role in processing anavar too so monitor ALT/AST and GGT.

Your decision to bulk/cut is up to you and your goals. I used to be real focused on this, but now I generally eat when I'm hungry and stop when I'm full, avoid food a couple hours before bed, injections in AM followed by fasted cardio, healthy diet, yadda yadda

If you decide to discontinue testosterone at this early stage then I hope any deleterious affects on the HPTA are nonexistent and you recover normally (likely the case for you).

 

[JackHoffman]

Why do you say this? Source?

I guess i meant less side effects

 

[JackHoffman]

Get your waist circumference to height ratio down to 0.5. Strip the fat. You will be small. Slowly add muscle over next few years while maintaining or actually reducing BF as you go. Quality.

Thanks I’ll check it out.

 

[JackHoffman]

I guess i meant less side effects

Mostly “Ultimate Guide to Roids” is my source at this point. As far as orals it is the one with the least side effects. Its similar but healthier than Winstrol but not as effective. Orals aren’t healthy but Anavar is probably the least toxic of any oral. Test and primobolan are probably healthier. And almost any injectable other than Tren or Masteron are probably healthier than most orals. But orals supposedly give you that feeling of being on steroids and fast results. I just want to experience it basically. Correct me if I’m wrong but this is just my basic understanding at this point.

 

[JackHoffman]

I run HCG constantly as well to help maintain testicular function and volume, ejaculate volume, and neurosteroid production. Be mindful of the increased E2 with HCG. Depending on if you aromatize a lot you may find more frequent test injections beneficial as this can reduce the rate of aromatization and help prevent elevated hematocrit. It comes down to listening to how your body is feeling and verifying where you are at with lab work and making adjustments accordingly based on results, literature, physician's advice, and your personal physiology. Hopefully you have AI on hand if need. Natural AIs include white button mushroom and DIM supplement (off the top of my head).

Yes, anavar can provide very rapid changes. However, you are going to want to check your kidney function through CMP, cystatin C, and urinalysis as the kidneys play a significant role in processing anavar. Cystatin C is important because CMP will likely show increased eGFR and creatinine because you are likely working out more frequently and consuming larger portions of protein, thus it is a good assessment for kidney function. Remember, the kidneys do not recover nearly as well as the liver. You will also want to check your lipids and go more in depth with apolipoprotein A-1, B and B:A1 ratio. Anavar can significantly lower HDL and increase LDL and if you are at risk for atherosclerosis then you need to be extra careful. I advise you go get a calcium score to know your baseline. Additionally, monitor your BP because hypertension will put increased strain on kidney function and couple that with anavar being heavily metaboloized by the kidneys...then you're just increasing the risk for long term renal damage. Remember, what is "safe" is multifactorial and depends on lifestyle, genetics, family history, etc.
-Note: the liver has a role in processing anavar too so monitor ALT/AST and GGT.

Your decision to bulk/cut is up to you and your goals. I used to be real focused on this, but now I generally eat when I'm hungry and stop when I'm full, avoid food a couple hours before bed, injections in AM followed by fasted cardio, healthy diet, yadda yadda

If you decide to discontinue testosterone at this early stage then I hope any deleterious affects on the HPTA are nonexistent and you recover normally (likely the case for you).

Thanks for the info. I do need to keep track of my blood.

 

[kaspersky]

-Note: the liver has a role in processing anavar too so monitor ALT/AST and GGT.

Great comment - always take NAC, milk thistle and/or TUDCA to avoid liver damage. NAC is really cheap, same goes for milk thistle, can't say the same about TUDCA but if you have the first two then it may not be necessary.

 

[JackHoffman]

I run HCG constantly as well to help maintain testicular function and volume, ejaculate volume, and neurosteroid production. Be mindful of the increased E2 with HCG. Depending on if you aromatize a lot you may find more frequent test injections beneficial as this can reduce the rate of aromatization and help prevent elevated hematocrit. It comes down to listening to how your body is feeling and verifying where you are at with lab work and making adjustments accordingly based on results, literature, physician's advice, and your personal physiology. Hopefully you have AI on hand if need. Natural AIs include white button mushroom and DIM supplement (off the top of my head).

Yes, anavar can provide very rapid changes. However, you are going to want to check your kidney function through CMP, cystatin C, and urinalysis as the kidneys play a significant role in processing anavar. Cystatin C is important because CMP will likely show increased eGFR and creatinine because you are likely working out more frequently and consuming larger portions of protein, thus it is a good assessment for kidney function. Remember, the kidneys do not recover nearly as well as the liver. You will also want to check your lipids and go more in depth with apolipoprotein A-1, B and B:A1 ratio. Anavar can significantly lower HDL and increase LDL and if you are at risk for atherosclerosis then you need to be extra careful. I advise you go get a calcium score to know your baseline. Additionally, monitor your BP because hypertension will put increased strain on kidney function and couple that with anavar being heavily metaboloized by the kidneys...then you're just increasing the risk for long term renal damage. Remember, what is "safe" is multifactorial and depends on lifestyle, genetics, family history, etc.
-Note: the liver has a role in processing anavar too so monitor ALT/AST and GGT.

Your decision to bulk/cut is up to you and your goals. I used to be real focused on this, but now I generally eat when I'm hungry and stop when I'm full, avoid food a couple hours before bed, injections in AM followed by fasted cardio, healthy diet, yadda yadda

If you decide to discontinue testosterone at this early stage then I hope any deleterious affects on the HPTA are nonexistent and you recover normally (likely the case for you).

I do have some Arimidex, Aromasin and Letrozole on hand. I havent had any sides yet. I’m mostly wondering when I would get any sides. Particularly the burning itchy nipple side effects.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

It must be me or the years that I’m using but if I add 250mg of testosterone I certainly notice on the first week or two my muscles seem fuller but notice that I’m very lean to begin with.

I will say that you must be sure that you have a legit product first.

What did I notice on my first 500mg pharma grade test cycle.
-fuller muscles
-oily skin
-high libido but not 100% perfect function cause of high e2
- water retention
- mood swings due to e2
- irritability
- acne
- increased body hair
- increased strength
- increased energy
- high BP
- itchy nipples

Give it sometime if you don’t feel or see anything in a week or two is probably bunk or underdosed. Be sure to get legit products. Don’t throw in anavar before make sure that test is legit.

 

[kaspersky]

I do have some Arimidex, Aromasin and Letrozole on hand. I havent had any sides yet. I’m mostly wondering when I would get any sides. Particularly the burning itchy nipple side effects.

You're just a week in, give it time to do its thing. I get the first (and basically last) side effect, the itchy nipple one, just about 4 weeks in at similar dosages. And I'm doing test+anavar currently btw.