3 quick questions

[cubnmissl005]

Wassup bros...

I've been out for a while but I see the same big players remain. Vets, help me out.

First, I wanna find out as much as possible about HGH and IGF. Anyone know of any good literature or websites?

Second, and I don't think this should be in the classifieds cause its just suggestions. Anyone recommend any research product companies in particular? Last time I checked, LR was busted or something. I'm lookin for a place similar to LR.

Lastly, cycle critique. I've been really interested in short cycles but have never done one. One that I had in mind is:

weeks 1-3
Day 1: 150mg prop, 100mg winstrol
Day 2-19 75mg prop ED and 50mg winstrol ED

then off for 4 weeks, and repeat 3 times.

I'd like to hear ur thoughts on HPTA and PCT on this type of cycle.

Thanks in advance

 

[quedog123]

your going about you cycle wrong with thoose little 4 week blasters. if your going on for 4 weeks then you might as well stay on. the theory behind the quick cycle is not to go over 2 weeks because then your natural levels are not impaired and shut down so you should load up quik and hard in 2 weeks then 2 off 2on for as long as you plan

my idea of a good two week blast cycle with what you metioned would look like this

2weeks
150mg prop ED
50-75mg winny ED

its ok to used higher doses cause you want it to build up fast and start working cause your only one for 2 weeks. remeber do not stay on loner then that or you wil just get shut down and there is no reason to come off.

 

[cubnmissl005]

thanks, quedog. do you have any personal experience with this type of cycle? i figured i wanted to try a few short cycles but my intuition told me 2 weeks would give negligable gains. ive heard anecdotes about 3 weeks, too. but i guess i could give the 2 weekers a try and up the dosage a little. what about pct? you have any thoughts on my other 2 questions?

 

[Mr. Masse]

I've done a few short cycles (4 on/4 off, or 4 on/ 2 off) using all fast acting gear, and the rationale behind cycle length was not to minimize endogenous hormone production, rather to make the return to endogenous hormone production as quick as possible to minimize the loss of muscle post cycle. I can't say I saw extraordinary results though, and have since returned to longer cycles.

Cheers.

 

[cubnmissl005]

I've done a few short cycles (4 on/4 off, or 4 on/ 2 off) using all fast acting gear, and the rationale behind cycle length was not to minimize endogenous hormone production, rather to make the return to endogenous hormone production as quick as possible to minimize the loss of muscle post cycle. I can't say I saw extraordinary results though, and have since returned to longer cycles.

Cheers.

thanks, mr. masse. do u mean 2 on/4 off instead of 4 on/2 off? if not, whats your rationale for stopping at 4 weeks (when youre suppressed if not shut down already) and only taking 2 weeks off? dont mean to criticize but i wanna know what your rationale is on this.

peace

 

[Mr. Masse]

thanks, mr. masse. do u mean 2 on/4 off instead of 4 on/2 off? if not, whats your rationale for stopping at 4 weeks (when youre suppressed if not shut down already) and only taking 2 weeks off? dont mean to criticize but i wanna know what your rationale is on this.

peace

Yes I meant 2 on/4 off, my bad. There used to be a ton of short cycle info at www.anabolicextreme.com, as well as www.canadianjuicemonsters.com.

Cheers.

 

[Mr. Masse]

thanks, mr. masse. do u mean 2 on/4 off instead of 4 on/2 off? if not, whats your rationale for stopping at 4 weeks (when youre suppressed if not shut down already) and only taking 2 weeks off? dont mean to criticize but i wanna know what your rationale is on this.

peace

However, when using appropriate PCT methods, i.e. HCG, Clomid, Femera or Arimidex after cycling with fast acting gear, some theorize that you can bring back endogenous hormone production within 3 weeks.

 

[cubnmissl005]

However, when using appropriate PCT methods, i.e. HCG, Clomid, Femera or Arimidex after cycling with fast acting gear, some theorize that you can bring back endogenous hormone production within 3 weeks.

So if it is within 3 weeks, you mean 4 weeks off then, right?

 

[Mr. Masse]

So if it is within 3 weeks, you mean 4 weeks off then, right?

Yes. The length of time you stay off is obviously up to you. As i mentioned it has been theorized that you can bring back 'the boys' in as little as three weeks. So with that in mind, if you stay off for 4 weeks, you should be back in full swing, and ready to do another 'short cylce' should you choose while having lost very little of your gains from the cycle just finished. I'm certainly no expert here, just relaying what I did and why. If anyone else has any helpfull info for Cub, feel free to chime in.

 

[quedog123]

Yes. The length of time you stay off is obviously up to you. As i mentioned it has been theorized that you can bring back 'the boys' in as little as three weeks. So with that in mind, if you stay off for 4 weeks, you should be back in full swing, and ready to do another 'short cylce' should you choose while having lost very little of your gains from the cycle just finished. I'm certainly no expert here, just relaying what I did and why. If anyone else has any helpfull info for Cub, feel free to chime in.

i disagree if you use fast acting gear and only use it for 2 weeks at a time you dont need to bring back the boys becasue they will not have gona anywhere. thats the reason for doing the short cycles is so that you never get shut down. so even when you are off in between short cycles you still have nat test. i think if you perfect this you can get moderate to decent gains after running a few short cycles but i think you need to do it perfectly tho.