6-OXO - the real deal?

[Deacon]

I have read several reports now that say 6-OXO works better than clomid or nolva for post cycle treatment. Anyone with any first hand knowledge on this otc stuff?

 

[supwiz]

I heard a good report from a guy over at the anabolicboard that used it to jump start he's hpt, he loved it. Patrick Arnold is behind it and he's struck me as being a pretty knowledgable guy. I ordered some, I'll let every know how it works to re-start the ole hpt and how it works for my breast tenderness. Greg B.

 

[mid life crisis]

I heard a good report from a guy over at the anabolicboard that used it to jump start he's hpt, he loved it. Patrick Arnold is behind it and he's struck me as being a pretty knowledgable guy. I ordered some, I'll let every know how it works to re-start the ole hpt and how it works for my breast tenderness. Greg B.

$32.95 seems to be the going rate for a bottle of 60 (Ergopharm 6-OXO seems to be the patented brand). A serving is 3 caps (300mgs)..which means a 20 day supply at the lower suggested dosage (300-600mg per day).

Like most natural supplements..looks like a god-send. But I have my doubts. Would love to hear some real feedback.

 

[goldlifter]

will post results...injectable

will be trying it IM next week once i get it cooked up. i'll be sure to post results. i have heard it has poor oral bioavailability so i am hoping injecting it into my...er....bull...will improve the response. my only concern right now is what mg/mL ratio it can fall into without too much discomfort.

 

[Patuba]

I have read several reports now that say 6-OXO works better than clomid or nolva for post cycle treatment. Anyone with any first hand knowledge on this otc stuff?

I've used 6oxo a couple of times for PCT with prohormones. It works good although it can cause acne, it did for me. I think Nolvadex or Clomid is more cost effective. Do you a proper Post Cycle with 6-oxo you'll need two bottles.

 

[SWALE]

As with all aromotase inhibitors, you run the risk of driving E too low if used post cycle. This further damages the recovering Lipid Profile, for instance, so it basically extends the permanent damage steroids do to your body.

 

[marianco]

I have read several reports now that say 6-OXO works better than clomid or nolva

6-OXO is a suicide-aromatase inhibitor (from what little I've read). It thus works similarly to Aromasin (Exemestane). It apparently is much weaker than the prescribed aromatase inhibitors (speculating - perhaps having a much shorter half-life).

The problem in using it is that there is very little information about its pharmacology. What side effects can occur, what risks of treatment are there, etc. are not really known. The dose range to achieve certain estrogen levels is not known. This is very unlike the much more tested and prescribed members of the aromatase inhibitor family of medications.

Thus, treatment with 6-OXO involves a lot of trial and error, more frequent lab tests for estrogen, and an unknown amount of risk (hopefully small but there is no literature other than anecdotal reports of use on various boards).

I agree with SWALE, in that driving estrogen levels too low has real health dangers, besides reducing muscle mass and libido.

 

[innermusic]

As with all aromotase inhibitors, you run the risk of driving E too low if used post cycle. This further damages the recovering Lipid Profile, for instance, so it basically extends the permanent damage steroids do to your body.

What about non-steroid users? I've heard that it can improve T/E ratios in andropause affected males.

 

[marianco]

What about non-steroid users? I've heard that it can improve T/E ratios in andropause affected males.

The user of aromatase inhibitors (such as 6-OXO and Arimidex) can increase testosterone levels, and increase the ratio between testosterone and estradiol.

They may be useful in treating andropause. They may not be enough, however, to fully restore testosterone levels to ideal physiological levels. 6-OXO, for example, may need much more than the 600 mg a day usually recommended to achieve the same effect as Arimidex. They have more risk and potential side effects (an unknown risks) than direct testosterone replacement therapy. For these reasons, the aromatase inhibitors are primarily used to control estradiol levels in testosterone replacement therapy.

6-OXO has the advantage of being over-the-counter. Again, however, there are many unknown risks with this product.

 

[maxzax]

I had a study which showed 6-OXO increases estrogens while decreasing E2. It blocks the conversion from other Estrogen's to E2, while slightly lowering E2 in the initial stages, but increasing other estrogens. If you are susceptible to side effects from high total E, I wouldn't recommend it.

I would provide the study for this, but the link doesn't work anymore.

 

[DaneGer]

hmm interesting?? for my pct i was going to use nolva and clomid with HCG and just use 1 capsel of 6 oxo a day and see how i feel afterwards?

 

[marianco]

hmm interesting?? for my pct i was going to use nolva and clomid with HCG and just use 1 capsel of 6 oxo a day and see how i feel afterwards?

By "PCT" (post cycle therapy), a person implies he or she is using anabolic steriods to gain muscle mass and is not overall engaged in treatment to maintain normal physiological levels of testosterone, to thus maintain or regain physical health

"see how i feel afterwards?" without running labs to monitor actual changes in physiology and to determine treatment, entails taking on a risk of harm, particularly if done without the supervision of a physician familiar in testosterone replacement therapy.

 

[Sunkist]

One more positive to me if to no one else: It is a natural a-metabolite. Something about a substance that is not synthetic that appeals. I have used it at minimal admin for a year now with transdermal chrysin and fat/chrysin oral admin. I have good results so far.