600mg Test E Cycle Update + Nutrition Question

[Ghostman]

Hey guys, 5'6 3/4", 195lbs, 12% body fat. Started this cycle 4 weeks ago at 170lbs 12% body fat.

My question is about fats and carbs in the bloodstream. Here's my hypothetical. 100 grams of fat are eaten and broken down into FFA's to circulate the bloodstream. A good 6-8 hour fuel source for myself. What would happen if I added 30g of sugar to that 100 grams of fat. Would the body continue to burn the FFA's and ignore the small amount of glucose in the bloodstream? Would the body burn the small amounts of glucose in the bloodstream and not release insulin? Would the body continually release insulin to try and store the 30 grams of sugar, continually storing FFA's instead of burning them for fuel bc there are so many in the bloodstream?

Thanks in advance to anyone who puts my mind to ease.

 

[Jerkthamerk]

@Ghostman you might have to wait a while for some legit help on this one. That's some complicated biological shit, lol. You might also want to post it on nutrition section cause some people hang in different sections. Best of luck.

 

[Ghostman]

Thanks for the reply. Yea, right ..

For tonight I'm going to add 100g oil to a shake, but even that has 8 carbs. I want to believe the body is smart enough to not constantly release insulin to try and store 8 grams of carbs with over 1000 calories of fat in the bloodstream lol

 

[Jerkthamerk]

Thanks for the reply. Yea, right ..

Wasn't being a dick man...

 

[Ghostman]

I didn't take it that way and I apologize if I gave you that impression. I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question, and "yea, right" as in I agree with you about the question being complex lol

 

[Americanada]

Hey guys, 5'6 3/4", 195lbs, 12% body fat. Started this cycle 4 weeks ago at 170lbs 12% body fat.

Wait wot? Not sure if I read that right
You've gained 25lb lean in 4 weeks? On a test e aka long ester??

 

[Ghostman]

I started week 1 at 168lbs 12% body fat. Week 2 I started increasing calories and maintaining 168-172 at 12% body fat. Week 3 I shot up to 182 12-14% body fat, fluctuating daily, even hourly. Then toward the end of week 4 which is now I'm 192-194 the last two mornings same 12-14% body fat.

 

[Jerkthamerk]

I started week 1 at 168lbs 12% body fat. Week 2 I started increasing calories and maintaining 168-172 at 12% body fat. Week 3 I shot up to 182 12-14% body fat, fluctuating daily, even hourly. Then toward the end of week 4 which is now I'm 192-194 the last two mornings same 12-14% body fat.

If this is true the only thing I could think of is you are retaining a shit ton of water and are bloated. It would be impossible to gain 10lbs of lean muscle mass in a week let alone 25lbs in 4 weeks. The most experienced lifters can only put on 15-25 lbs of real muscle in a YEAR on average. What is your cycle? How long have you been using?

I'm not calling you a liar but it just seems very unlikely if not impossible.

 

[AnTabolic73]

Hey guys, 5'6 3/4", 195lbs, 12% body fat. Started this cycle 4 weeks ago at 170lbs 12% body fat.

My question is about fats and carbs in the bloodstream. Here's my hypothetical. 100 grams of fat are eaten and broken down into FFA's to circulate the bloodstream. A good 6-8 hour fuel source for myself. What would happen if I added 30g of sugar to that 100 grams of fat. Would the body continue to burn the FFA's and ignore the small amount of glucose in the bloodstream? Would the body burn the small amounts of glucose in the bloodstream and not release insulin? Would the body continually release insulin to try and store the 30 grams of sugar, continually storing FFA's instead of burning them for fuel bc there are so many in the bloodstream?

Thanks in advance to anyone who puts my mind to ease.

you should really just go with 5'7"

but, to try and answer your question, I believe insulin would be released regardless of what you ate. but the sugar would cause a bigger insulin spike. insulin would store remove the sugar and fat and store them. once insulin is done doing what it does your body will burn the energy depending on what youre doing, and how immediate the energy is needed. if you were lifting weights and sprinting it would burn through your glucose stores. if you just went about your day and didn't do anything strenuous it would burn through your fat stores.

 

[Jerkthamerk]

I could be wrong but I always heard no matter what your body always takes the quickest and easiest route. Meaning it would only dip into fat stores if there were no other readily available source of energy. Unless maybe if you were exhausted then it would take anything and everything until replenished. Always sounded logical but I'm a fucking lying asshole so.... You never know.

 

[AnTabolic73]

Thanks for the reply. Yea, right ..

For tonight I'm going to add 100g oil to a shake, but even that has 8 carbs. I want to believe the body is smart enough to not constantly release insulin to try and store 8 grams of carbs with over 1000 calories of fat in the bloodstream lol

the body is a wonderful thing, and aas makes it even more magical.

but insulin isny just released for carbs. once upon a time, a long long time ago. it was difficult taking in large amounts of calories in short periods of time. I mean think about it, u eat a pop tart in like 3 seconds, both pieces at the same time if you're like me. that's 200 calories and a ton of sugar entering your body. when humans evolved, insulin was a feast and famine response. cave man kills wooly mammoth, whole tribe feasts. body developed insulin so nothing goes to waste, insulin causes everything to be stored. and then the body can you use the energy as it needs it.

in your example, the fat would cause the stomach to empty slower and the carbs to enter blood at slower rate and cause a smaller insulin spike than just eating sugar.

 

[AnTabolic73]

I could be wrong but I always heard no matter what your body always takes the quickest and easiest route. Meaning it would only dip into fat stores if there were no other readily available source of energy. Unless maybe if you were exhausted then it would take anything and everything until replenished. Always sounded logical but I'm a fucking lying asshole so.... You never know.

think about an electronic device, the battery dies, it stops working, until you replace the battery. our bodies can't afford to just wait for more energy, so it had to be readily capable of using whatever it can as energy, with out any gaps. otherwise you'd be dead.

so yes your body will use whatever energy it can. but certain tissues prefer to use different forms of energy. for eg the brain prefers glucose, that's why brain fog is a symptom of a keto diet. your brain is going from running on glucose to using ketones (?) for energy. muscles would prefer to run on glucose as well, that's why they store glucose. but if your not doing anything explosive, thr body can run off of fat.

 

[tubesox]

Your body will always burn the empty calories first, leaving those FFA's floating around around to find a nice place to rest. Usually the mid section..fuck sugar

Hey guys, 5'6 3/4", 195lbs, 12% body fat. Started this cycle 4 weeks ago at 170lbs 12% body fat.

My question is about fats and carbs in the bloodstream. Here's my hypothetical. 100 grams of fat are eaten and broken down into FFA's to circulate the bloodstream. A good 6-8 hour fuel source for myself. What would happen if I added 30g of sugar to that 100 grams of fat. Would the body continue to burn the FFA's and ignore the small amount of glucose in the bloodstream? Would the body burn the small amounts of glucose in the bloodstream and not release insulin? Would the body continually release insulin to try and store the 30 grams of sugar, continually storing FFA's instead of burning them for fuel bc there are so many in the bloodstream?

Thanks in advance to anyone who puts my mind to ease.

 

[tubesox]

I could be wrong but I always heard no matter what your body always takes the quickest and easiest route. Meaning it would only dip into fat stores if there were no other readily available source of energy. Unless maybe if you were exhausted then it would take anything and everything until replenished. Always sounded logical but I'm a fucking lying asshole so.... You never know.

You are correct, it's a scientific law. The path of least resistance.

Why would the body waste calories, burning fats when it can burn empty cals?

Remember your body is a machine..like electrical current, water, or anything else that has survived... Take the easy way first reserving energy for worst..

 

[Ghostman]

I'm just running a basic 600mg test e cycle, pinning every 3.5 days. I am def holding a lot more water IM and SUBQ.

I have zero cravings for sugar anymore. It's honestly becoming hard to consume the amount of carbs I'm aiming for daily. I can only eat so many bagels and pounds of pasta. Sugar seems like a very low density high calorie substitution. I need to talk to my coach. I have some ideas lol

Agree on 5'7" lol. All of that makes sense to me. So, if I push 100g of olive oil into my bloodstream with no carbs there will be no insulin, and the hormones used to burn the ffas will take over. 2 questions come from this thought. Having the hormones needed to burn through FFA's already present and then entering a calorie deficit, would the body begin to use stored fat as its primary energy source during sleep? Second question is back to the sugar with fat. We have 100g fat and 30g sugar present in the bloodstream. How much of an insulin response is created by those 30g of sugar and how much fat gets stored with it. Also, how long would the insulin be present in the bloodstream?

 

[AnTabolic73]

correction, it's protein that also causes insulin to be released not fat

 

[SwolevaDex]

Not hating but I'm 5'6" and I have a really hard time buying you being that close to 200lbs w 12% body fat... If true you must be fucking huge

Also test e makes me retain a shit load of water.. There was a point when I was gaining easily a pound per day steady for a week straight at times

 

[Ghostman]

Not hating but I'm 5'6" and I have a really hard time buying you being that close to 200lbs w 12% body fat... If true you must be fucking huge

Also test e makes me retain a shit load of water.. There was a point when I was gaining easily a pound per day steady for a week straight at times

I'm decently sized, not massive yet. I'm holding a total of 30lbs of fat on my body. I am sitting at 15% body fat right now weighing 192lbs. I got carried away with carbs and was holding excess water and bloat. The scale didn't recognize a change in body fat until a few days later.

 

[Test_Subject]

5'6 3/4"

It makes me laugh every time midgets use fractions of inches to describe their height.

 

[ScabbyJr]

Not hating but I'm 5'6" and I have a really hard time buying you being that close to 200lbs w 12% body fat... If true you must be fucking huge

This is a Lee Priest type physique. If accurate.