9/11 inquiry finds no link to Iraq

[greyowl]

I remember that when the Bush league invaded Iraq, a lot of folks on this board came down on me like a ton of bricks for saying that Bush was lying about there being links between al-Qaida and the Saddam regime. Now my position has been affirmed by the U.S. state itself.

Since I have now been proven right, everyone who criticized me at the time for being a leftwing crackpot is invited to drop my house at their convenience, in order to kiss my firm yet pliant ass.
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9/11 commission discounts Saddam-Bin Laden link

A.P.

Wednesday June 16, 2004

The independent U.S. commission investigating the attacks on America of September 11 2001 has found "no credible evidence" of a relevant link between Iraq and al-Qaida, contradicting President George Bush's assertion that such a connection justified the toppling of Saddam Hussein.

In a report released today, the commission found that Osama bin Laden considered cooperating with Saddam even though he opposed the Iraqi leader's secular regime. A senior Iraqi intelligence official reportedly met with Bin Laden in 1994 in Sudan, the panel found, and Bin Laden "is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently refused."

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al-Qaida also occurred after Bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report said. "Two senior Bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al-Qaida and Iraq," the report says.

As recently as Monday, the US vice-president, Dick Cheney, asserted that Saddam had "long-established ties" with the terrorist network.

In making the case for war in Iraq, Bush administration officials frequently cited what they said were Saddam's decade-long contacts with al-Qaida operatives, and left that impression with the American public that Iraq was directly involved in the September 11 attacks.

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[Patuba]

I'm not surprised. I support our troops in Iraq but I'm still wondering what this war is about. I think George W has to clean up the mess Reagan and George H made.

 

[Pup'nIrn]

I remember that when the Bush league invaded Iraq, a lot of folks on this board came down on me like a ton of bricks for saying that Bush was lying about there being links between al-Qaida and the Saddam regime. Now my position has been affirmed by the U.S. state itself.

Since I have now been proven right, everyone who criticized me at the time for being a leftwing crackpot is invited to drop my house at their convenience, in order to kiss my firm yet pliant ass.
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9/11 commission discounts Saddam-Bin Laden link

A.P.

Wednesday June 16, 2004

The independent U.S. commission investigating the attacks on America of September 11 2001 has found "no credible evidence" of a relevant link between Iraq and al-Qaida, contradicting President George Bush's assertion that such a connection justified the toppling of Saddam Hussein.

In a report released today, the commission found that Osama bin Laden considered cooperating with Saddam even though he opposed the Iraqi leader's secular regime. A senior Iraqi intelligence official reportedly met with Bin Laden in 1994 in Sudan, the panel found, and Bin Laden "is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently refused."

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al-Qaida also occurred after Bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report said. "Two senior Bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al-Qaida and Iraq," the report says.

As recently as Monday, the US vice-president, Dick Cheney, asserted that Saddam had "long-established ties" with the terrorist network.

In making the case for war in Iraq, Bush administration officials frequently cited what they said were Saddam's decade-long contacts with al-Qaida operatives, and left that impression with the American public that Iraq was directly involved in the September 11 attacks.

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What your saying might be true if you look at it directly. I believe you must go and take out the sources of funding and places that harbor people who wish us harm. Lets remember 9-11 came to use because we didn't goto them. Several bombings on our embassies around the world and even the world trade center before 9-11 lead to them knowing that America was being run by pussies.

The terriorists admit that even if we left them alone, it is a holy war to them and the koran(sp?) states for them to kill all those that don't follow their GOD. I believe we are doing the right thing. Fighting them on foreign soil instead of American soil. The US has already proven that terrorist are coming from libia and joining in the fight against the US.

So I say, who gives a shit what did what or when.....This is WAR so Kill them over there! I have a life to live and will kill the fucker who trys to take it.

 

[greyowl]

What your saying might be true if you look at it directly. I believe you must go and take out the sources of funding and places that harbor people who wish us harm. Lets remember 9-11 came to use because we didn't goto them. Several bombings on our embassies around the world and even the world trade center before 9-11 lead to them knowing that America was being run by pussies.

The terriorists admit that even if we left them alone, it is a holy war to them and the koran(sp?) states for them to kill all those that don't follow their GOD. I believe we are doing the right thing. Fighting them on foreign soil instead of American soil. The US has already proven that terrorist are coming from libia and joining in the fight against the US.

So I say, who gives a shit what did what or when.....This is WAR so Kill them over there! I have a life to live and will kill the fucker who trys to take it.

I say, track down anyone who had anything to do with the 9/11 massacre and slaughter them with no more mercy than you would show cockroaches. Invading Afghanistan and exterminating the Taliban was exactly the right thing to do, because the Taliban harboured Osama and his mass murderers.

But there is a difference between that and claiming that Saddam was in on 9/11 , which has now proven to be a lie. Bush's decision to lie to the American public about this as an excuse for invading Iraq has diverted resources from the war against terrorism and made America less able to fend off a terrorist attack.

 

[Pup'nIrn]

I say, track down anyone who had anything to do with the 9/11 massacre and slaughter them with no more mercy than you would show cockroaches. Invading Afghanistan and exterminating the Taliban was exactly the right thing to do, because the Taliban harboured Osama and his mass murderers.

But there is a difference between that and claiming that Saddam was in on 9/11 , which has now proven to be a lie. Bush's decision to lie to the American public about this as an excuse for invading Iraq has diverted resources from the war against terrorism and made America less able to fend off a terrorist attack.

I don't call knocking out a SOB that paid the families of human bombs $30,000 diverting resources. Sounds like terrorists actions to me. Oh, and if you'll really research you see we have stopped multiple terror cells already in the US. We are not spread thin....they are.

Just remember that we have been without another attack and there is a reason. Osama has been callling for all out attacks on us for a year now....It ain't like they are waiting for a good time.

Lets agree to disagree....

 

[dolfe1]

An Independent commission? Who? What makes you so certain this information is accurate, because you want it to be? Where did you get this information, in an email? And even if they didn't find any evidence does that mean that there is none? If they are independent than they probably have poor funding. This really means nothing.

 

[sc redneck]

bush

do you have wmd. no
are you sure,, yep
can we come see,,, yep
o.k so you dont have any..
well,,, we are gonna come kill and cripple over 7000 of your children and women.
and take out your power,, water,,
and you ask why,, just like Ron Reagan jr stated,, Bush is corrupt,,and dangerous,,,,,, why didnt Bush bomb China instead

 

[oldtimer]

That is an extremely near sighted opinion Greyowl. It's swatting flies instead of getting the rotting trash out of your house. Al-Quiada is a symptom not the disease. If we tracked down anyone who had anything to do with 9/11 that would just be revenge. Completely destroying Al-Quiada means nothing. Another would rise to take its place. We have to change the Middle East. There are no other options except for genocide and I don't want to have that on my conscience.

We went into Iraq for one simple reason. We had the pretext to do so. We need to set up some democracies in the Middle East. Where is the best place to do so? How about Persia, i.e. Iraq. Where do we have the pretext to do so? How about the country thats in violation of a cease fire, i.e. Iraq.

Now I don't expect you or anybody else to understand these things. This is global politics to its most extreme. That is why we have a republic and not a democracy. People say that the administration doesn't know what its doing. That's just bull. The truth is that you don't know what the administration is doing and you're not supposed to.

The Bush administration does have a long term solution to dealing with terrorism, not Al-Quiada, terrorism. And it is the ONLY AND I MEAN ONLY solution. THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTOINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you get this through you thick fucking skull. So quit your fucking bitching. This is our nations policy and will be our policy no matter who is in the White House.

I don't care what the administration said to sell this to the world. That is just window dressing, propaganda for a good cause.

Solve the Palestinian/Israeli conflict and you got yourself a peaceful world, it's really that simple.

-OT

 

[oldtimer]

Turn lead into gold and you will have a lot of money. Despite that the ending of the conflict won't solve shit.

The US can solve the conflict if they really wanted to, they could start by cutting all aid to Arafat/Sharon.

If we took your theory and assumed that the US invaded Iraq not because of WMD, but because they wanted to stop terrorism, then they could've done the same thing in Palestine/Israel.

Why do you say that ending the conflict won't solve anything?

-OT

 

[GRANVILLE]

I remember that when the Bush league invaded Iraq, a lot of folks on this board came down on me like a ton of bricks for saying that Bush was lying about there being links between al-Qaida and the Saddam regime. Now my position has been affirmed by the U.S. state itself.

Since I have now been proven right, everyone who criticized me at the time for being a leftwing crackpot is invited to drop my house at their convenience, in order to kiss my firm yet pliant ass.
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9/11 commission discounts Saddam-Bin Laden link

A.P.

Wednesday June 16, 2004

The independent U.S. commission investigating the attacks on America of September 11 2001 has found "no credible evidence" of a relevant link between Iraq and al-Qaida, contradicting President George Bush's assertion that such a connection justified the toppling of Saddam Hussein.

In a report released today, the commission found that Osama bin Laden considered cooperating with Saddam even though he opposed the Iraqi leader's secular regime. A senior Iraqi intelligence official reportedly met with Bin Laden in 1994 in Sudan, the panel found, and Bin Laden "is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently refused."

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al-Qaida also occurred after Bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report said. "Two senior Bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al-Qaida and Iraq," the report says.

As recently as Monday, the US vice-president, Dick Cheney, asserted that Saddam had "long-established ties" with the terrorist network.

In making the case for war in Iraq, Bush administration officials frequently cited what they said were Saddam's decade-long contacts with al-Qaida operatives, and left that impression with the American public that Iraq was directly involved in the September 11 attacks.

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Greyowl see if you can get your library to get you a copy of a book called "the new pearl harbor" by David Ray Griffin, you'll be even more shocked by his details, do you know how many people made vast profits from insider information regarding 9/11, the information was already there or the profits couldn't have been made

 

[TheSpectre]

If you guys really want to know why 9/11 happened, why there was a war in Afghanistan, and then Iraq then look up "Project for a New American Century" or PNAC. This was all planned in the 90's when the USSR broke up and the USA was the sole remaining superpower. Well, all those high ups/elites/war mongers/to some extent actual Americans wanted to control military space meaning the space around the planet deterring any possible attack from China, the EU, or any other emerging world power. Now this "Project for a New American Century" needs one key ingredient to fund and keep it going as it is going to be expensive -- you guessed it OIL.

 

[esco]

I'm not surprised. I support our troops in Iraq but I'm still wondering what this war is about. I think George W has to clean up the mess Reagan and George H made.

Reagan didn't make any mess that needed to be cleaned.

 

[maxx]

Reagan didn't make any mess that needed to be cleaned.

esco i have to agree with you on that....i hate the fucking AP...theyre a nothing but a bunch of liberal pinheads.all you hear about is all the bad stuff that happens in iraq and how bush is some how the anit-christ and out for only oil.give me a break.fuck saddam,iraq and the fucking camel they rode in.if you believe for a second that saddam didnt have any ties with terrorist group then you are very narrow minded.hell he was a terrorist group killing thousands of his own people.how did he do that?wmd maybe,well you say he doesnt have them now,but he did then and if you get them once they are obtainable agian.

all you "agianst the war" people need to talk to a service man that has recently return from iraq...they will tell you the truth...and the truth is they wont watch the news anymore because all the bullshit that's reported...and none of them regret going and support their president.how the al-qieda (sp) is offering thousands of US dollar to families to strap bombs to their childeren,and walk up to US base or personell or anything american and blow it up.the press does nothing but rile up the american people and the rest of the world.

maxx

 

[Slick Arrado]

The US can solve the conflict if they really wanted to, they could start by cutting all aid to Arafat/Sharon.

Easier said than done. There is too much Semite political power in The States for the funding to be cut. Fact is, they probably get more than any other country. And there are some more deserving countries, like HERE in The U.S. Sorry for hijacking the thread.

 

[dolfe1]

The US can solve the conflict if they really wanted to, they could start by cutting all aid to Arafat/Sharon.

If we took your theory and assumed that the US invaded Iraq not because of WMD, but because they wanted to stop terrorism, then they could've done the same thing in Palestine/Israel.

Why do you say that ending the conflict won't solve anything?

-OT

That conflict will never be solved, neither side will ever give.

 

[greyowl]

We went into Iraq for one simple reason. We had the pretext to do so. We need to set up some democracies in the Middle East. Where is the best place to do so? How about Persia, i.e. Iraq.

Now I don't expect you or anybody else to understand these things. This is global politics to its most extreme. That is why we have a republic and not a democracy. People say that the administration doesn't know what its doing. That's just bull. The truth is that you don't know what the administration is doing and you're not supposed to.

The Bush administration does have a long term solution to dealing with terrorism, not Al-Quiada, terrorism..

Uh, Windigo, hate the break the news to you pal, but Iraq is not Persia and there no Persians who live in Iraq. Iran is Persia, not Iraq.


Windigo, are you sure you want to make the claim that the U.S. is not a democracy. And that it's ok for the administration in a democracy to hide its intentions from its own citizens?

Where do I start with ths whopper?

You know Windigo, I might take your views more seriously if you were clearly not an ignoramus who shoots his mouth off without having a basic grasp of the facts; for example, by realizing that Persians live in Iran, not Iraq; and that the U.S. form of government is called a representative democracy.

As a citizen, its your right to vote any way you want even though you're clearly an ill-informed fool who doesn't understand what he's talking about. However, before you parade your ignorance in a forum like this, why not try to educate yourself so that you don't embarass yourself in public like you've done with your post?

 

[greyowl]

Easier said than done. There is too much Semite political power in The States for the funding to be cut. Fact is, they probably get more than any other country. And there are some more deserving countries, like HERE in The U.S. Sorry for hijacking the thread.

Slick my friend, if you would allow me to give you some constructive criticism ... You shouldn't apologize for hijacking the thread because your comments are on topic. However, you should be embarassed and apologize for injecting anti-semitism into the debate by claiming that there is too "too much Semite political power in The States".

It's true that that the Bush administration's policy in the middle east is domimated by the Israel lobby but Jewish-American groups are only part of the pro-Israel lobby. Non-Jewish elements of the lobby are actually just as powerful if not more so; e.g., the oil companies and the evangelical Christians who support Zionism for theological reasons.

By the way, about "Semite political power" ... you should note that Arabs are semites too, not just Jews. Also, a lot of people who are very active in the movement against the war in Iraq are Jewish. It is an anti-semitic myth to claim that all Jews are members of a monolithic block who share the same views and actions.

 

[Slick Arrado]

Slick my friend, if you would allow me to give you some constructive criticism ... You shouldn't apologize for hijacking the thread because your comments are on topic. However, you should be embarassed and apologize for injecting anti-semitism into the debate by claiming that there is too "too much Semite political power in The States".

It's true that that the Bush administration's policy in the middle east is domimated by the Israel lobby but Jewish-American groups are only part of the pro-Israel lobby. Non-Jewish elements of the lobby are actually just as powerful if not more so; e.g., the oil companies and the evangelical Christians who support Zionism for theological reasons.

By the way, about "Semite political power" ... you should note that Arabs are semites too, not just Jews. Also, a lot of people who are very active in the movement against the war in Iraq are Jewish. It is an anti-semitic myth to claim that all Jews are members of a monolithic block who share the same views and actions.

I do apologize for my comments being misinterpreted. I am not now, I wasn't, nor will I ever be a racist. I must not be confused with an anti-semitic human being. My comments should have been something more like this: They need to quit giving so much money to other countries and start spreading it around here in The States. Peace.

 

[greyowl]

I do apologize for my comments being misinterpreted. I am not now, I wasn't, nor will I ever be a racist. I must not be confused with an anti-semitic human being. My comments should have been something more like this: They need to quit giving so much money to other countries and start spreading it around here in The States. Peace.

Bro'. I could tell from your original post that it was open to misiterpretation. Thanks for taking the time to clarify it. I know from your other posts that you are the furtherst thing from being a racist or anti-semite.

Your other comment is bang on. The U.S. government should think about feeding its own starving and providing health care to its own uninsured people before blowing trillions on invading countries that don't represent a threat to its interests.

 

[Slick Arrado]

Bro'. I could tell from your original post that it was open to misiterpretation. Thanks for taking the time to clarify it. I know from your other posts that you are the furtherst thing from being a racist or anti-semite.

Your other comment is bang on. The U.S. government should think about feeding its own starving and providing health care to its own uninsured people before blowing trillions on invading countries that don't represent a threat to its interests.

Yeah bro, the government needs to cut off funding to ALL other countries and start helping its own. The only reason I mentioned Israel is because of OldTimer's post. Think of how much we could spend on full healthcare for the veterans in this country. How many people would have at least ONE meal a day, instead of starving? 8 yo dying of a rare disease? Let's put some funding into researching that disease, or at least pony up enough to fulfill the kid's last wish. Props to the Make-A-Wish Foundation. Again, not trying to hijack a thread.