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9/11 inquiry finds no link to Iraq
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esco
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that did not create any mess! back in the reagan era, we were still a super power and nobody would f*ck with us ... once you got p*ssies like clinton who made our miltary the size it was in WWII was when other countries started to test the U.S. Reagan was one president that no country f*ed with.
oldtimer
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esco said:
It's not because of Reagan that the US didn't have attacks, it's because Al-Qaeda was called "Freedom Fighters" as opposed to "Terrorist Org" at that time. They were on good terms with Reagan and everybody was happy, they clashed with the Saudi government and the US government, and no one's happy anymore.
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First of all, if you read the commissions (who is as partisan a group as you will ever find) findings as a whole, they themselves add at the end that they didn't look into the two Al Qaida groups that were and are still using terrorist tactics in Iraq. The leader of the group that beheaded Berg for example. The group that has taken cedit for the rash of assasinations as of late. etc.
Second, The president never said Iraq had ties to 9-11. He said they had ties to Al Qaida. This has even been documented by the "allmighty" UN. The president went on national tv and stated exactly this. Remember "we will treat those that harbor terrorists no differently than terrorists themselves."
Third, do a search on Al Qaida web sites. They are out there and easy enough to find. Ask them if they are involved in Iraq now and before 9-11. They are brazen enough to tell you.
Lastly, as Americans we need to start thinking about what is going on out there. Muslims hate Israel. Therefore they hate Israel's biggest ally. A Palastinian state won't really help as most Arabs don't even like Palastinians. They are just a good "reason" to strike at Israel. This hatred has been around for thousands of years. We need to wake up. We need to bring the fight to them. Strenghth is trully the only thing they understand. Negotiations have never worked in the Middle East.
Mostly we need to support our troops and quit trying to undermind their efforts.
Semper fi
Second, The president never said Iraq had ties to 9-11. He said they had ties to Al Qaida. This has even been documented by the "allmighty" UN. The president went on national tv and stated exactly this. Remember "we will treat those that harbor terrorists no differently than terrorists themselves."
Third, do a search on Al Qaida web sites. They are out there and easy enough to find. Ask them if they are involved in Iraq now and before 9-11. They are brazen enough to tell you.
Lastly, as Americans we need to start thinking about what is going on out there. Muslims hate Israel. Therefore they hate Israel's biggest ally. A Palastinian state won't really help as most Arabs don't even like Palastinians. They are just a good "reason" to strike at Israel. This hatred has been around for thousands of years. We need to wake up. We need to bring the fight to them. Strenghth is trully the only thing they understand. Negotiations have never worked in the Middle East.
Mostly we need to support our troops and quit trying to undermind their efforts.
Semper fi
esco
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good post bro, i agree!
jbiggs said:
oldtimer
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jbiggs said:
When did the UN say he had ties with Al-Qaeda?, could you show us a reference please?
jbiggs said:
Could you give me a reference here please?
FWIW, i'm from Saudi Arabia, and it's well known that Saddam has always been a sworn enemy of Bin Laden. FYI - Saddam used to ban soldiers from gowing beards, they used to spit on the ones who pray, and he always made fun of Islamic leaders. The reason Bin Laden declared war on Saudi Arabia and the US was because of Saddam in the first place, when Saddam invaded Iraq Bin Laden had an army of almost 50,000 people in Afghanistan, he offered the Saudis his help saying he had veterans who are used to war, the Saudi refused coz they thought he'd overthrow the government if he manages to push Saddam out for real, he snapped and declared war. How you say he has ties is beyond me.
jbiggs said:
And where did you get this info from if i may ask?
I'm an arab/muslim and i have Israeli friends, and we've been friends for years.
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oldtimer said:
Oldtimer,
In the UN's report prior to the US's invasion it was documented. I can't give you an exact document # as I don't have them in front of me. Saddam did send intelligence officers to speak with and give funds to Al Qaeda operatives. Jordanian intelligence confirmed this to the UN. The giving of payment to the families of suicide bombers is reason enough to show at least ties to terrorists.
Saddam and Bin-Laden wern't sworn enemies. Bin-Laden didn't agree with the secular regime of Saddam's regime. In his mind only a regime like Iran's is legitament. I'm not saying they were in bed together, but neither was opposed to using each other in their common goal of destroying Israel and America and anyubody else that supports democracy in the Middle East.
I'm glad you as an Arab have Israeli freinds. If this was the norm we would all be better off.
thick
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I just wish Israel and the rest of the mideast would just fight and get it over with. U.S. should stay out of it. How is that for some intellectual input to this thread
oldtimer
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jbiggs said:
The sucide bombers he was funding were Palestinians fighting Israel, he never funded the ones fighting the US, he knew better than to mess with the Americans, he was a brutal dectator yes, but he was not a stupid man (a bit stupid maybe, but not THAT stupid).
jbiggs said:
Bin Laden used to call Saddam "Saddam the tyrant" in his recordings. The ones fighting the US in Iraq now could very well be from Al Qaeda, but Saddam would've crushed them if he knew about them at his time.
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oldtimer
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thick said:
I have a better suggestion thick, why not put Sharon and Arafat in the cage under MMA rules (Japan), and the winner takes that piece of land and the UFC's "The Old Geezer Who Hosed His Country" championship belt
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jbiggs said:
Partisan how? Thomas Keans, the Chairman of the Commission, is the former Republican governor of New Jersey. The vice-chair, Lee Hamilton, heads the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars and is a member of the Bush's National Homeland Security Advisory Council. It's one of the most non-partisan bodies in the U.S.
jbiggs said:
The C.I.A. had regular meetings with Al-Qiada's founders too. Does this mean Bush will launch a nuclear strike on CIA headquarters in Langley?
jbiggs said:
In one sentence you jumble up muslims, arabs and palestinians. The majority of muslims in the world today are not arabic, quite a few arabs are christians not muslims, and there has not been hatred between jews and muslims for thousands of years -- in fact, until this century jews lived peacefully under muslim rule and had very good relations with their arabic neighbours.
Your suggestion that muslim people only understand strength implies that they can't reason and negotiate like other human beings. Your attitude isn't supported by evidence and stinks of racism. Maybe if you stopped thinking of arabs as sub-humans you might make more sense.
As for supporting U.S. troops and not underminding their efforts ... it's not Anti-American to oppose the George Bush gang. It's not unpatriotic to question the invasion of Iraq and point out the lies of the White House. If you want to support the troops there, then bring them home. Right now the body bags of U.S. servicemen are piling up higher and higher each day. With supporters like you, who needs Al-Qiada?
thick
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LMAO that is one blockbuster where the whole world would be at peace for all of 5 minutes. It would be perfect. Simple and effective.
oldtimer said:I have a better suggestion thick, why not put Sharon and Arafat in the cage under MMA rules (Japan), and the winner takes that piece of land and the UFC's "The Old Geezer Who Hosed His Country" championship belt
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oldtimer said:
I never said he funded the suicide bombers that attacked the US. I said in my eyes the sucide bombers he was funding (Palestinians), alone shows his ties to terrorism. By the way, since when is blowing up innocent civilians fighting.
Saddam offered assylum to many terrorists during his regime including the leader of the group that beheaded Berg who was in need of medical attention at the time.
Fast Food
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just to let you know, the 9-11 panel hearing is being held right next door to me... infact i wandered around and before you know it i was surrounded by 5 suits saying, "what are you doing here " blah blah blah.... then i showed them my govt. badge and they let me be. it was a very good experience to see where they were doing it....
esco
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i think it should be looked at that we are in war with iraq and our troops are over there and nothing is going to change that, especially since we will not leave until we're finished ... so it's better to be positive & supportive because it's not going to end any faster.
Captain Planet
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I don't know if they 9/11 inquiry is right....keep in mind that the media is quite liberal so they will print anything that makes Bush look bad. I was listening to Bill O'Riley yesterday (or a few days ago, I listen to him at work everyday so I'm not entirely sure) and he said that there were many connections between Iraq and terrorism. Somone in Saddam's cabinet was a high ranking Al-Queda membver, and Iraq had many terrorist training camps thourghout the country. So even if Iraq didn't directly support Al-Queda, they were a country that was harboring terroism and supporting terrorism.
That being said.....the war on Iraq is the worst thing I have ever heard of. I feel stupid that I supported it at first, and now I just hope that when we turn over control on June 30th that things start going much more smoothly.
That being said.....the war on Iraq is the worst thing I have ever heard of. I feel stupid that I supported it at first, and now I just hope that when we turn over control on June 30th that things start going much more smoothly.
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oldtimer
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esco said:
I agree, bottom line is there are troops over there and they need to finish what they are there for. I hope they get the job done with minimum casualties.
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oldtimer
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We all condem the killing of civilians, but both parties call it "fighting".jbiggs said:
Both are blowing up civilians, but they're using different names. One group is called "IDF" and the other group is called "Hamas".
greyowl said:
The commision was put together in a non-partisan way I agree, but who gets the airtime and whos opinions are put in the media is what makes it partisan in my mind. Keans by the way has had issue with the president even before 9-11.
When the commission refused to dismiss Gorehlik, when she was found to have a large role in undermining the CIA during President Clinton's time and had to cover her own behind, they lost all credibility. At that time the commission said and I quote, "Stay out of our business." I thought they were working for the American people. Guess not.
As to the CIA and Al Qaeda, I'm more concerned with what they are up to now.
The rest of your diatribe is pretty laughable and tries to put words in my mouth.
Look at my posts, I never "jumbled up anything." I certainly have no problem with any race or religion. I'm sorry I didn't have time to list all the muslims that are radical in nature vs those that aren't. Look at how Palastinians were treated in the Arab world prior to and even after WWII. The majority of Arabs are Muslim, most don't have a choice. The Jewish and Arab people of the Middle East have been fighting forever. Check your history. Check the history of Muhammad. Read the Koran.
Speaking of the Koran, what does it say of treaties. I saw firsthand during the first Gulf War how Muslims that surrender are treated by their own people, lined up and shot. The Terrorists only understand a show of strength.
As to my thinking of Arabs as "sub-human," where did I say that. I have many Arab friends and have been to the Middle East countless times.
I also would like to see where I ever mentioned anybody being unpatriotic for disagreeing with me. That is what makes this country great. We have the freedom to speak out against our government if we disagree. The troops will come home when the job is done. Nobody said freedom was free. By your reasoning, we should have cut and run five minutes into D-Day.
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