A long mild blast, your opinion?

[dadoli]

Hi guys, I want to share with you and have your opinion, on what has been my long mild blast of Test for almost 2 years now.
Before I had only done 2 cycles one of only sarms and one anavar and clen, always and only as a cycle for cutting (followed by pct where I was constantly losing almost all gains).
Starting this long mild blast in June 2019, the goal of these 3-month cycles is to be able to put on weight without losing it in pct, still managing to sensitize the androgen receptors, and I know that many of you will believe that not receptor saturation is a big problem, but I think it is. I also include my protocol against hair loss and gyno (light, occurred in puberty).
Started at 75kg (I'm 173cm) now I'm at 86, same bf (around 12/13%)

Week 1 to 10
Test-E (MCT oil) - 120mg eod
L-Carnitine - 500mg ed
HCG - 300ui eod

Evista Raloxifene - 60mg ed

Dutasteride - 0.5mg ed
Finasteride - 2.5mg ed


Week 11 to 12
Test-P (MCT oil) - 60 ed
L-Carnitine - 500mg ed
HCG - 300ui eod

Dutasteride - 0.5mg ed
Finasteride - 2.5mg ed


Week 13 to 16
20% increase in Kcal
Mk-677 - 40mg ed (with of Alpha lipoic acid, Berberine, Chromio and Vitamin b6)
L-Carnitine - 1000mg ed

Finasteride - 1.25 mg ed

I made 2 cutting cycles of always 3 months each in these years, and the only difference is the addition Aromasin 12.5mg EOD and Clen from 40 to 100mg with 1mg Zaditen ed for 8 weeks, the rest through diet modulation and cardio.

So last 12 week cycle I have to be honest I have not seen great results, 2kg but I think it got up the bf, it will be that I am training at home with the usual exercises for 5 months now, but I would like to know your opinion and if there is something to improve, to continue to have good results (apart from the most obvious to raise dosages or add other anabolic on top of T). Bye.

 

[MFAAS]

Hi guys, I want to share with you and have your opinion, on what has been my long mild blast of Test for almost 2 years now.
Before I had only done 2 cycles one of only sarms and one anavar and clen, always and only as a cycle for cutting (followed by pct where I was constantly losing almost all gains).
Starting this long mild blast in June 2019, the goal of these 3-month cycles is to be able to put on weight without losing it in pct, still managing to sensitize the androgen receptors, and I know that many of you will believe that not receptor saturation is a big problem, but I think it is. I also include my protocol against hair loss and gyno (light, occurred in puberty).
Started at 75kg (I'm 173cm) now I'm at 86, same bf (around 12/13%)

I made 2 cutting cycles of always 3 months each in these years, and the only difference is the addition Aromasin 12.5mg EOD and Clen from 40 to 100mg with 1mg Zaditen ed for 8 weeks, the rest through diet modulation and cardio.

So last 12 week cycle I have to be honest I have not seen great results, 2kg but I think it got up the bf, it will be that I am training at home with the usual exercises for 5 months now, but I would like to know your opinion and if there is something to improve, to continue to have good results (apart from the most obvious to raise dosages or add other anabolic on top of T). Bye.

Hey there. Several things stand out here. I have a ton of questions interspersed throughout this post. Please answer all of them. Even if the answer is a simple "no."

For the metrically impaired among us, you are 5'8" and 190 lbs, and estimate yourself to be 12-13% body fat.

First off, do you have a baseline hormone panel from before you started cycling, or at the very least before this long-ass "mild blast" you've been on? That would be free and total Test (LC/MS), Estradiol sensitive, CMP, CBC, lipids? If so, please share it.

I am very confused about your cycles, you said you did some SARMs and some orals for cutting (glad you aren't doing this anymore, it's not smart), but then you said you started this long blast in June 2019--yet you don't mention what substances or doses you are running for this mild blast? Please share that, it is critical information.

The basic summary of the story is: you have been doing a "mini" blast for the last ~21 months or so and gained 11 kg (~24 lbs) and stayed around the same level of body fat, that is pretty legit as far as gains go, although you were very light to begin with.

Let me make sense of this post:
1. You've been doing a "mild blast" for the last 21 months (since June 2019). Please tell us what substances and doses you ran during this time? Do you have any blood test results you can share from this blast?
2. During this long, mild blast, you also threw in two 3 month long cutting cycles that included aromasin and clen? Is that correct?
3. During the last 21 months of this mild blast, you've gained 11 kg (24.5 lbs) in weight and stayed around the same level of body fat. Correct?

Now, that is all that's happened in "the past." Your question at this point is about this most recent 12 week cycle, which you say has not gone well. Has this been a bulking cycle or cutting cycle? You don't mention that. I am assuming it was a bulk cycle.

Your recent 12 week cycle was, not counting ancillaries:
- Week 1-10: 420 mg of Test E per week
- Week 11-12: 420 mg of Test P per week (why did you switch esters?)
- Week 13-16: Off cycle. So what now are you back to your "mild blast" or are you trying to PCT? If back to mild blast, what substance/dosage are you taking at this point?

Is my understanding correct that you said you gained 2 kg on this cycle, but that you think it was fat? If so, that sucks balls. That is some straight bullshit for 420 mg of test. Do you have a blood test from when you were on cycle? What were your free and total T numbers?

Okay, now that the cycle stuff is done (again, please answer all the questions!), here is some additional advice:

First off, to me it sounds like you desperately need a new lifting program. You said you've been "training at home with the usual exercises." That screams no progress to me, so it's no wonder your bulk didn't go well.

Get on a well-renowned lifting program. If you are lifting at home, buy more equipment if you have to. Try something like Creeping Death 2 or DoggCrapp or nSuns. Hell, you could even make your own program if you wanted.

Also, are you counting CICO? How are you doing this, with an app? Which app? What are your target macros? Do you hit them regularly? Is your diet truly on point? Be honest here. Or are you maybe not counting certain snacks you eat, or not being as disciplined about hitting your target calories/macros, whether that be a surplus or a deficit.

I know that is a lot. But if you want help from the people of Meso, that's the info we will need! If you give us that we can provide you some serious help, shit that you normally would have to pay a coach a lot of money for. But I am willing to help you out fo' free.

 

[dadoli]

Hi, first of all thank you for the complexity of the answer and for your genuine concern, also in my opinion the lack of progress is due to it is a lack of new stimuli, in December unfortunately I was training in a gym, which they then discovered and closed... and I stayed at home with only dumbbells and a bench for now 4/5 months, I have to invest on better gear, before the next cycle, otherwise I'll waste that too, anyway I want to answer all your questions.

So actually there are some errors in my first post, yes I put 11kg of weight, but as said lately my bf has risen (always according to my eye) now around 15%, maybe more.
This is me 1 hours ago, cold, before write this post:

https://i.ibb.co/p2hMCgN/p09.jpg

The last 3-month cycle I did I concluded about 2 weeks ago, and as always they are light bulk, where I am above to my baseline calories daily intake about 15 20%, around 3300 3400kcal a day, 160 protein 60 fat and rest carbs, always clean food, and a few if not rare cheats per month.

The substances I use are only those in the post, apart from some other natural supplement, such as creatine, beta alanine etc,

Yes I did two cycles with clen and ai, the first in June 2019 and the second last year, always summer, always started around June.

Now I'm taking only mk, and carnitine, as always for a month, hoping to re-sensitize the androgen receptors, and this is also the reason why I change ester the last two weeks, so as to stay as long as possible without testosterone in my body, and sensitize the receptors, at least this is my theory, and that of those who explained it to me and convinced me to proceed in this way, I have not yet done a pct, since September 2018, where I must say I recovered easily from the cycle only anavar and clen, and returned to my usual 500ng/dl, if I can I find the blood tests

Before doing any cycle my testosterone was around 550ng/dl, 30 estradiol, never tested (LC/MS), latest blood tests testosterone was over 1400 as usual, T-free over 100, I never knew how much exactly, I should do the analysis for sensitive ones, unfortunately never done, estradiol 56, the rest always in order, only usually have bad cholesterol (hdl around 30), and liver values high, but those I have always high even from natural, last time GOT 51 and GPT 100, I should do the blood tests after a one-week break from 'training and see how it goes, the rest everything in the parameters.

Another reason for lacking improvements is due to achieving the maximum possible from Test, and MK in off, but I don't know.

I had coaches in the past, it was what made me do just anavar cycles, luckily I have learned a lot since then.

Thanks again for the help.

 

[MFAAS]

Hi, first of all thank you for the complexity of the answer and for your genuine concern, also in my opinion the lack of progress is due to it is a lack of new stimuli, in December unfortunately I was training in a gym, which they then discovered and closed... and I stayed at home with only dumbbells and a bench for now 4/5 months, I have to invest on better gear, before the next cycle, otherwise I'll waste that too, anyway I want to answer all your questions.

So actually there are some errors in my first post, yes I put 11kg of weight, but as said lately my bf has risen (always according to my eye) now around 15%, maybe more.
This is me 1 hours ago, cold, before write this post:

https://i.ibb.co/p2hMCgN/p09.jpg

The last 3-month cycle I did I concluded about 2 weeks ago, and as always they are light bulk, where I am above to my baseline calories daily intake about 15 20%, around 3300 3400kcal a day, 160 protein 60 fat and rest carbs, always clean food, and a few if not rare cheats per month.

The substances I use are only those in the post, apart from some other natural supplement, such as creatine, beta alanine etc,

Yes I did two cycles with clen and ai, the first in June 2019 and the second last year, always summer, always started around June.

Now I'm taking only mk, and carnitine, as always for a month, hoping to re-sensitize the androgen receptors, and this is also the reason why I change ester the last two weeks, so as to stay as long as possible without testosterone in my body, and sensitize the receptors, at least this is my theory, and that of those who explained it to me and convinced me to proceed in this way, I have not yet done a pct, since September 2018, where I must say I recovered easily from the cycle only anavar and clen, and returned to my usual 500ng/dl, if I can I find the blood tests

Before doing any cycle my testosterone was around 550ng/dl, 30 estradiol, never tested (LC/MS), latest blood tests testosterone was over 1400 as usual, T-free over 100, I never knew how much exactly, I should do the analysis for sensitive ones, unfortunately never done, estradiol 56, the rest always in order, only usually have bad cholesterol (hdl around 30), and liver values high, but those I have always high even from natural, last time GOT 51 and GPT 100, I should do the blood tests after a one-week break from 'training and see how it goes, the rest everything in the parameters.

Another reason for lacking improvements is due to achieving the maximum possible from Test, and MK in off, but I don't know.

I had coaches in the past, it was what made me do just anavar cycles, luckily I have learned a lot since then.

Thanks again for the help.

Solid answer, thanks.

Your physique is super solid as well!! I don't think the problem was your cycle at all, but just the lack of truly being able to train sonce all you have is some DBs and a bench. Do you have enough plates for your bench??

Glad to hear your blood tests came back good, but yeah a sensitive test would really be better, at least for free and total test. One thing I was thinking is maybe your gear was underdosed. I think that probably isn't the issue though.

I also don't think receptor desensitization is it either. I have even seen research showing receptora get more sensitive as they are exposed to androgens. I think you simply have hit a plateau because you are already big and strong and don't have the equipment you need to grow. It is very possible switching to a new program would help too.

I think there's 2 routes you can go from here: one is to really invest in some good home gym equipment, or 2 you can try to just get a few things to bridge the gap while you wait for the gyms to open. Of course, if you've got the disposable income you can also do both.

Personally, I love the home gym life, I have always hated driving/commuting and I love just being able to go downstairs and lift to my hearts content. It is certainly expensive to get started though, but long term it is cheaper, although you do lose access to some exercises, specifically various machines. I'm ok with that, but you may not be. There is a lot you can do with just a barbell and dumbbells IF YOU have enough weight. If you can get creative with lifts you can for sure still grow.

Like you don't have a machine anymore for heavy rows or presses. Try landmine rows or landmine press. Look into getting a power tower and a weighted belt or vest and some bans to do some weighted pullups and chinups and pulldowns. There is a lot of options, it is just a matter of figuring out what works for you. Instead of doing heavy ass squats, do bulgarian split suqats with heavy dumbbells. You can get a HELL of a leg workout that way lol.

But yeah, you are definitely not a beginner, you simply aren't gonna see much gains without heavy weights and proper stimuli. Even if you threw more androgens at your body, I don't think you'd grow that much without figuring this new way of training at home out first. I really think the primary and biggest issue here is the training.

We're your lipids always not great? Or do you think that is from the long blast?

For next steps I'd say you can do your reset, although I don't believe that your receptors are the issue.

Next you can either hop back on a cruise at like 150 mg per week test until the gyms open back up or just coast natty until then too.

OR

While doing your reset, aim to maintain muscle and research the hell out of lifting programs so you can figure out what will work best for you as you lift from home. I enjoy the process of making lifting programs, so I made myself a custom hypertrophy program, you could totally do that too and really tailor it to your needs.

Then figure out What gear you need and get ready to drop some money. If you need recommendations this board has quite a few people with home gyms, including me, so I am sure we could help.

Hopefully this helps?

 

[dadoli]

Unfortunately I don't have the space in my apartment for a serious home gym, I have dumbbells and barbell but the loads are not enough, I always go over 20 reps.
I also thought about the underdosed test, and it can be this too, but more likely it is the lack of a good training and the approach of my limit with only tests, for the moment I think I will do a pct and when it returns to normal maybe a more advanced blast that I will perhaps document here on the forum.
Bad lipids are from the long blast, befor they were normal, around 55/60 hdl.

Thanks for the help and for confirming my doubts.

 

[MFAAS]

Unfortunately I don't have the space in my apartment for a serious home gym, I have dumbbells and barbell but the loads are not enough, I always go over 20 reps.
I also thought about the underdosed test, and it can be this too, but more likely it is the lack of a good training and the approach of my limit with only tests, for the moment I think I will do a pct and when it returns to normal maybe a more advanced blast that I will perhaps document here on the forum.
Bad lipids are from the long blast, befor they were normal, around 55/60 hdl.

Thanks for the help and for confirming my doubts.

For sure! Glad I could help. I think that will be a good approach. There's no sense doing a cycle when you aren't able to train properly, it'll just have you wasting both gear and causing deleterious health effects. Then as you've seen you won't be happy with the results.

Good luck! If you do end up doing a log in the future I'd love to see it. You have an excellent physique already, better than a lot of the guys out there running huge doses of gear. I know logs are a commitment, but it'd be awesome to see you do one. Take care bro.