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I haven't researched NMR in depth Ive just read that its used for molecular structure, composition, and purity testing. If its not sensitive enough to tedt raws then I guess I won't ever be sending raw powders to jano lol
Motojager
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You do not need NMR to test raw. Jano does/did a good job IMO. The area I have seen the lab lacking is in GCMS. I think that is a staffing issue with them leaning on automated library searching without manual verification backing it up. Raws being shit and having co-eluting impurities that sends auto on goose chase. Lack of techs experience/time in catching it. They are going through growing pains no doubt. But none of the other labs that I have seen have the standards and historical library Jano has built.
Im not going to make excuses for anyone and im sure as hell not going to blame impure raws for bad testing. Im not trying to re open the thread thats already public either. I just dont wamt people making decisions on their own raws solely based on a jano test. With the cost of raws its not time tro be fkn around. Imagine throwing out a kilo of mast because it got an 80% test that wasnt accurate.
Was there some sort of resolution to this?
Photon
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I found this to be pretty interesting.
The test wasn't exactly blind -- they knew they were being compared against..and maybe spent extra time double checking each result, who knows. AB also took twice as long.
The Test D raws were melted too..so to get 89% on that from AB, was kind of odd.
Lemme seee
We have different purity% for each raw except MENT.
Based off these purity %, which more accurately matches the mg/ml of the finish brew?
Looks like AB is 3-5% higher for all except MENT.
AB doesn't give the decimal places? It's all rounded figures?
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The-Squat
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I have yet to have AB not match finished mg does from the raw %, keep in mind it could be months before a finish product gets sent from them same raws.I found this to be pretty interesting.
The test wasn't exactly blind -- they knew they were being compared against..and maybe spent extra time double checking each result, who knows. AB also took twice as long.
The Test D raws were melted too..so to get 89% on that from AB, was kind of odd.
Lemme seee
We have different purity% for each raw except MENT.
Based off these purity %, which more accurately matches the mg/ml of the finish brew?
Looks like AB is 3-5% higher for all except MENT.
AB doesn't give the decimal places? It's all rounded figures?
@Sampei
I'm no going to get into a Jano / AB pissing match, cross reference both if needed.
I will do so myself, take a raw report from AB and send a finished to Jano and visa versa if I feel I need to.
Both have had issues it seems and both seem to do good work, Jano communicates much better. His english is probably better.
Nobody can prove who is closer on those raws without doing a finished product test.
I would not try to rule one out, I would try to help both grow strong, we need them.
cousinmuscles
Member
Yes those too, I even complained about this to my rep, weeks ago when I got the trestolone. It was right after they posted a 98% result. I asked how can they use it for advertising but not recognize it when it doesn't suit them. You won't get so far with the rep as they are just doing their job, it is the boss who won't step down and make good with his customers. I wrote more about their own made reports but didn't mean I exclude the gap between the selected janoshik reports they use for advertising and what you often end up getting...
Iv
Ive never used AB. But I have used Jano. I figured I’d run a test comparing my brewing ability to their raw results to see if I could make a good batch with the adjustments from their raw results of each compound. The test consisted of sending in both test c and e raw powders and using results to make a batch of each. Then sent in half a ml of each finished oil in single vial and the results were spot on. I may have been slightly higher on the test c. But ultimately it was 300mg/ml test e and slightly higher that 250mg/ml of test c.
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cousinmuscles
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±2-3% is not bad testing, it is standard for HPLC, look it up. Janoshik also stated that they retest unusual results multiple times. Nobody is going to throw a kg of masteron with 80% purity unless it really sucked, like didn't melt, had the wrong colour. Even if it somehow was white fine powder that melted at the correct temperature, just contest janoshiks result and ask them to retest it.
Photon
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Not a pissing competition.
But rather to acknowledge, that there exists a consistent 3-5% difference between them (with AB being higher), try to understand where it comes from, and how we can get better more accurate results.
Without asking such questions, how can we expect any improvements?
Ya they retested my deca 3 times and came up with the same bs wrong data each time. Not sure why you think retesting maies a difference when the testing is wrong in the first place lol They did the same for squat and we each sent samples from the same batch. 25% variance between the two. Again all this was covered in the jano thread already so its pointless to go over it again. He even admitted that without mixing first his raw testing struggles. It sounds like he will start adding this to his raw prep checklist before its mailed in so that was good on him and I hope he follows through. My entire point...that i have to keep repeating...is that i wont trust janos raw testing by itself and anyone that wants to down play it or make up excuses for it isnt going ti erase my experiences nor help anyone expand their horizons. Use more then just one tester and make sure the results are accurate.
80% mast e is trash but if you are comfortable making that work thats your decision.. Even photon got rid of his tren e at what 84%?
We dont have to argue about testing everytime someone warns about inaccurate testing. Geezus. Its better to have more testing sources then just one anyway....keeps them all honest.
The-Squat
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I know, but people need to back off AB a bit IMO, Jano went through hell himself and prevailed, so can AB.
I have AB more accurate over the past year with raw to finished, again the raw gets tested usually months ahead of time.
Both are always in the same ballpark besside the Deca, 1 Tren E and 1 EQ both raw this past year and a mix up with Var and Mast E that took 3 times to get right.
Before that and when he tested it all himself, 0 issues.
Just have to try and help both when things aren't looking right!
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Sammy_Jenkis
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I have a few samples I’ve been trying to get AB to test, can’t even get a reply from AB half the time. What’s everyone’s secret to dealing with them?
The-Squat
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Place the order online, in the email they send back make conversation before you send payment.
Once you establish yourself with them they will answer, but trust me they don't answer all emails even after establishment.
Lab4Tox is the same way, I don't care as I need results and I get them, sometimes it takes longer.
Photon
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It's tough. It took me over a week to even make an order and payment lol
or you sniff heptane and get dizzy and almost pass out....because your checking a beaker...the cold it sends into your entire body...yeah...
Sammy_Jenkis
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can I use crypto payments? I can’t find an answer to that on their website
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