Acceptable ranges to push Lipids

[Russ99586]

So with family history, pops blessed me with cholesterol woes.

Numbers are solid now while just on TRT, but my question is what is viewed as the acceptable low/high end for LDL? For HDL?

Wanna make sure I know what I’m looking for before, during and then after cycle.

Been doing my research and reading all the talk about lipid panel side effects, I know I need to educate myself more on what i am looking for, especially given family history.

 

[hellerhiwater]

my understanding is that generally speaking, bad lipids is a slow burn bad thing AND that there is a seondary marker that can give insight into how dangerous the levels actually are. the secondary marker is a determination of like how sticky the lipids are, or some protein that can make the lipids sticky and therefore prone to clumping up and turning into plaque.theres also a marker of the transport protein for the bad cholesterol that i think is also important.

sorry i know thats not mega helpful on its own but i thought it might be able to give you an idea of things to look for in the forum since lipids is a common topic here.

oh there was also something called like"primordial prevention" or something similar that some smart-seeming fellows mentioned. basically its like preventative preventative measures, or getting on a statin and bp meds even if you're outside of the risk zone to ensure you never enter the risk zone in the first place. with family history that might be relevant to you.

ill go look around for specific numbers or posts to link to actually try and answer your question though

 

[Russ99586]

my understanding is that generally speaking, bad lipids is a slow burn bad thing AND that there is a seondary marker that can give insight into how dangerous the levels actually are. the secondary marker is a determination of like how sticky the lipids are, or some protein that can make the lipids sticky and therefore prone to clumping up and turning into plaque.theres also a marker of the transport protein for the bad cholesterol that i think is also important.

sorry i know thats not mega helpful on its own but i thought it might be able to give you an idea of things to look for in the forum since lipids is a common topic here.

oh there was also something called like"primordial prevention" or something similar that some smart-seeming fellows mentioned. basically its like preventative preventative measures, or getting on a statin and bp meds even if you're outside of the risk zone to ensure you never enter the risk zone in the first place. with family history that might be relevant to you.

ill go look around for specific numbers or posts to link to actually try and answer your question though

No that helps. Key words to look for are perfect. Tried searching before I poked the community but like you said lipid and cholesterol are very common words.

 

[hellerhiwater]

semi-relevant thread 1

semi-relevant thread 2

this is going to sound kinda gay but that Ghoul fella is pretty thorough and almost everything i see from them is regarding hgh, lipids and lipid testing, or sterility related. so if you search cholestrol/ldl/etc and set the filter to ghoul you can probably get a ton of good info

 

[Russ99586]

semi-relevant thread 1

semi-relevant thread 2

this is going to sound kinda gay but that Ghoul fella is pretty thorough and almost everything i see from them is regarding hgh, lipids and lipid testing, or sterility related. so if you search cholestrol/ldl/etc and set the filter to ghoul you can probably get a ton of good info

I was reading a post just now where he was talking about no lower limit for LDL really so that was helpful. Thanks!

 

[jtmarlin]

IMO LDL should be under 100 and ApoB under 80

If your numbers are higher than that there is no reason not to take 10mg of lipitor or 5mg of crestor per day to get in range or closer. For most people who are cycling your HDL is going to take a hit and there isn't much to do about it other than keep those other number low.

 

[Geardad]

Like @hellerhiwater said, ghoul is pretty fucking educated when it comes to lipids. That being said, if you’re genetically prone to cholesterol issues, and not anti-poly pharma, it probably wouldn’t be a bad idea to start Pitavastatin as soon as you go on blast, maybe ezetimibe as well, and mega dose fish oil (epa+dha). If you’re running all injectable compounds, and not hammering orals. You can most likely keep ldl and trigs in an acceptable range with some mild HDL suppression.

 

[cousinmuscles]

If you only use testosterone, most likely your lipids won't get that bad, even at 500 or 750mg per week. Nandrolone is also mild on the lipids but they will move a bit, maybe more due to your genetics but you will have to do bloods mid cycle to see what's up. Orals, DHTs and other exotics will crush them.

I took Ghouls advice and am taking pitavastatin and ezetimibe, it negates the effects of AAS on most lipids although HDL is difficult to save. Attached pics are end of cycle bloods.

In your case with your genetic predisposition, I would aim for LDL below 50 mg/dl.

 

[buck]

If i wanted a fair unbiased and informed decision. I would read from many different sources. Mostly those in the health area. Which a bodybuilding forum may not be the best source for most people.
Dr Peter Attila has some interesting info. But i always figure everyone no matter how well educated is just giving their opinion