Adderall

[Donzi]

and mind,
I dont hate, I agree, Properly used certain chemical compounds work well,
C people r inherently stupid and even more lazy. Do work or take a pill, only a select few actually need addy's or any other hot pharm now a/days.. Thus addiction and abuse,
oh i can just buy it I am not hurting any1 , and so on.

 

[Dr JIM]

My goodness do you think I live in a cocoon? When my second son was in junior high school after 4 years of "inattentiveness" the "administration' insisted he be "evaluated for ADHD" I reluctantly complied and had him evaluated at one of the TOP ADHD specialists in the DFW area. We completed the standard routine paper work, frustratingly waited an hour, and as we entered his office, a tall (6'4") slender fella, in his late fifties, dressed in blue jeans, Polo shirt, and tennis shoes greeted us and said; "I've looked over your son's chart and understand your concerns but before we all sit down and have a prolonged and potentially unnecessary chat one question should be answered, is there ANYTHING your son can do for prolonged periods, say at least an hour or two such as: sports-nope, TV-nope, talking on the phone with girls-nope, home chores-heck nope ................about twenty more were mentioned. He then commented; please pull up a chair. Now sitting I pondered the notion the school may be correct. Looking at my 14 year old son and said well! He promptly replied, as if answering a test question correctly, "Do VIDEO GAMES COUNT'? LMAO! Realizing indeed he was often PULLED away from the XBOX. Dr. M replied "well just how long do you play those games for son"? Proudly to responding my son said; "I finished a tournament last weekend and I got second place on ...."Final Fantasy" but I had to play for 11 hours STRAIGHT"! Thereafter Dr. M he stood up, back straight, (not that is was required since he was easily 6' 4") looked me straight in the eye from above, cleared his throat and lamented "well I guess we are done here", pausing apparently understanding my skepticism; "ya see folks with genuine ADHD have a THOUGHT DEFICIT, in every activity not just in those which are "enjoyable", and "I've discovered after twenty five years of practice, the underlying causation is DEPRESSION in over 90% of patients whom are referred to me for ADHD" Less than ten minutes after we entered we began our exit from his office into the lobby, exclaiming; "NO doctor Jim, your a doctor right (shaking my head to the affirmative) your son doesn't have ADHD he's just lazy, and like many youngsters, and he is looking for an excuse to remain that way, ensure YOU don't give him one!"! Which was followed by a brief pause; "why just ask him", reflecting knowing he was right I needn't bother. I left that office with a bittersweet victory, knowing my son wouldn't "require" a drug that could stunt growth and is potentially addictive, but also realizing my son was a lazy bum, why how dare he! I really never noticed his errant activities since I was married to my job. The latter changed considerably so did the rules at our house regarding video games. He is now an A-B senior in high school yet still loves video games, lol!
So LG if you want to continue believing you NEED Alderall, (after all it's not insulin) that is your prerogative but please don't play me and many others on this forum as fools regarding WHY your attempting to score it on Meso.

 

[biggerben69]

When the MLB players union finally gave in and accepted new testing guidelines it wasn't just gear guys were worried about....more were concerned about their "greenies". Greenies have been MLB's dirty little secret a lot longer than gear has been.
"Greenies", of course refer to dexadrine.(amphetamine salt). The players have a grueling schedule and it no doubt gives them an edge. Ever watch some of the guys in the dugout? Some are twitching etc, Look like they're tweaking?
The number of scripts submitted by players for speed went up some ridiculous percentage when the new testing schedule went into play.

 

[Dr JIM]

Interesting BB and definitely believable!

 

[Millard]

Dr. Jim is right about the addictive potential and over-prescribing of amphetamines as well the over-diagnosing of ADD/ADHD.

Most people certainly don't "need" amphetamines. But here's where it gets tricky...

Many people can perform and function at a much higher level while using Adderall even for non-medical purposes (i.e. no legitimate ADD/ADHD diagnosis).

But just because you may perform better doesn't mean you "need" it. (Of course, some people in highly-competitive occupations may disagree.)

Then it becomes a question of cost-benefit analysis and risk management for the user.

IMO, non-medical use of Adderall doesn't necessarily equal abuse.

Yet it often does for people who have problems with addiction.

It's like any drug for me. I avoid demonization. It's about harm reduction. Some drugs have greater risks. It's important to acknowledge and recognize those risks.

 

[Millard]

A follow up to my last post...

For those who use Adderall non-medically as a performance-enhancer, why not use safer alternatives such as Provigil or Nuvigil?

I think I might know at least part of the reason.. I think doctors are simply more willing to prescribe Adderall; it may be easier to justify a diagnosis of ADD/ADHD rather than narcolepsy

 

[leoclaw79]

Something tells me that 20 mg of adderall daily (my prescription but I only take it when I'm about to study or if I need to get up early on low sleep) isn't as bad as multiples of 80mg of a legal but still dangerous stimulant: caffeine.
When I take adderall it clears my head of bullshit and relaxes me, in a way, allowing me to focus on the task at hand. It doesn't make me tweak out. Harm reduction is really all you can do. Educate and allow people to make decisions for themselves.

 

[leoclaw79]

Discipline is the answer. But results are what matter in my book. Of course for personal growth it is better for one to be thoughtful and have a drive for success but when crazy procrastination issues lead me to possibly be dismissed from school, I was happy to take te easy way out (adderall script). Sure amphetamines can be addictive but so can masturbation lmao.

 

[Dr JIM]

Hmm, "Results are what matter", oh contrary to that contemporary sentiment the means to an ends is VERY important. That belief is responsible, in part, for why "we" have become a drug dependent/addicted society IMO. The truth is many people whom "abuse drugs" are young, codependent, immature and quite frequently continue their maladaptive pattern into adulthood where the stressors of maintaining a profession, working 40-60 hours per to support themselves and there family, results in DAILY use and abuse for every activity, rather than the original few, designed to "enhance performance". Occasionally these issues culminate in an overly burdensome lifestyle, which may result in the development of potentially preventable anxiety/depressive disorders.
Moreover amphetamine analogs are not innocous substances they elevated BP increase heart rate and are the leading causation for the development of rhabdomyolysis in atheletes. The FACT is most people are unable to effectively "control" the use of Schedule II substances OR their street analogs, which is a major contributor to the high occupancy rate of drug rehabilitation centers, increasing homeless population, escalating violent crime rates, and the immeasurable effects they have had on 'the famlily"!

 

[Adrenolin]

I love adderall!! I don't know what these phaggots are talkin about.. lol it's a great drug. It's an excellent appetite suppressant, and diuretic, as well as vasodialator.

It also helps me focus much better, to read much faster, and comprehend without having to reread. It's the only drug I can say made me want to learn EVERYTHING, and be interested in Everything. It's an excellent study aide.

 

[Adrenolin]

Dr. Jim is right about the addictive potential and over-prescribing of amphetamines as well the over-diagnosing of ADD/ADHD.

Most people certainly don't "need" amphetamines. But here's where it gets tricky...

Many people can perform and function at a much higher level while using Adderall even for non-medical purposes (i.e. no legitimate ADD/ADHD diagnosis).

But just because you may perform better doesn't mean you "need" it. (Of course, some people in highly-competitive occupations may disagree.)

Then it becomes a question of cost-benefit analysis and risk management for the user.

IMO, non-medical use of Adderall doesn't necessarily equal abuse.

Yet it often does for people who have problems with addiction.

It's like any drug for me. I avoid demonization. It's about harm reduction. Some drugs have greater risks. It's important to acknowledge and recognize those risks.

Excellent post. I completely agree.

A follow up to my last post...

For those who use Adderall non-medically as a performance-enhancer, why not use safer alternatives such as Provigil or Nuvigil?

I think I might know at least part of the reason.. I think doctors are simply more willing to prescribe Adderall; it may be easier to justify a diagnosis of ADD/ADHD rather than narcolepsy

I have actually used modafinil in the past, it was a very clean stimulation.. but that source no longer carries it. I'm prescribed the adderall so it's all good anyhow.

 

[Donzi]

Da.. Its dam near pure
Dextroamphetamine
having said that at least u keep it real. Used in Moderation addys r fire, I just hate when these addict cry / and hype / dont make excuses imo

 

[leoclaw79]

How about vyvanse? It's tge pure dex amphetamine stereoisomer noun tons lying group so that the liver has to cleave off the amino acid group before it enters the blood stream. Makes it so it can't be snorted or injected for abuse. Provides a much cleaner action with less possible anxiety. More expensive than adderall though

 

[Donzi]

How about vyvanse? It's tge pure dex amphetamine stereoisomer noun tons lying group so that the liver has to cleave off the amino acid group before it enters the blood stream. Makes it so it can't be snorted or injected for abuse. Provides a much cleaner action with less possible anxiety. More expensive than adderall though

so u got the bathtub recipe id guess.

 

[Dr JIM]

Amphetamine analogs as diuretics or vasodilators? I must assume that's your anecdotal experience rather than an opinion based on existing evidence?

 

[Dr JIM]

LG
The fact that your even willing to read and consider my critical assertions without resorting to; profanity, attempts at demeaning my character, vilifying my "professionalism", yet supporting your decisions to use Adderall on a individual basis and doing so on a non-confrontational-interpersonal manner, makes me respect your decision to use Adderall, but for your own benefit do so legally, mate!
Regards
Jim

 

[Adrenolin]

Amphetamine analogs as diuretics or vasodilators? I must assume that's your anecdotal experience rather than an opinion based on existing evidence?

Yes, I apologize. That's in my experience only...

 

[Dr JIM]

For those who want to KNOW the FACTS based on existing evidence, this is an excellent literature review!

 

[Millard]

For those who want to KNOW the FACTS based on existing evidence, this is an excellent literature review!

Thanks! Good review particularly of Adderall for cognitive enhancement. Evidence not as strong as most assume.

 

[Dr JIM]

Guess it depends where one begins on the "intelligence ladder". I mean really if your at the bottom, like many kids with ADHD are, many things are helpful but Adderall is much easier and cheaper than direct human intervention.