Addiction: What's up with that, yo?

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Given my personal experience with addiction and plethora of pharmacological and health-related knowledge, I was really looking forward to mansplaning to yall about addiction and society and all that shit. You know me, I am a full on, hardcore misanthrope (one who despises humans despite being one). Always have been even as a kid. Anyway, I have some ideas about addiction that I feel get little-to-no attention in the media (once I share you'll realize why very quickly), the political arena (again, once I share it'll become obvious why), and even the research community.

First off--and this is really fucking important--society has been inadvertently built to create addicts. That's right, our society fosters addiction and addictive behavior among the general population like an alcoholic nursing a hangover for 30 years straight. This seems to be relatively consistent regardless of what economic system a country maintains (e.g., capitalism vs communism), albeit for very different reasons.

Second, human nature and our social norms constantly reinforce addiction and provide a ridiculously overwhelming number of opportunities for people to become addicts starting at age 0. Parents are big players (or dare I say, offenders) here for the first several years of a child's life, then school and society plays a larger role.

Third, our medical system is HUGELY to blame for addiction, at least definitely in the US.

As far as my assertion on society, I am going to break it down into two sub-types by economic structure.
1. Capitalism: Capitalism plays a massive role in addiction. Now, I am a capitalist myself (I mean, hell, I am a landlord and own a fairly successful small business and work a high paying job in IT). However, capitalism in western society, especially in the US and UK (probably in most of the EU too, I just am not as familiar with their politics) has run completely out of control. People are constantly bombarded with advertisements, new products, planned obsolescence; access to pornography; more and more addictive foods and products/apps, and the lobbying power of the offending companies is such that I see zero chance of this going away anytime soon. There are literally people who play the role of "monetization expert" or "head of monetization" at various companies, and their entire job is to make products as addictive as possible. Basically, our entire society is built around hedonic pleasures.
I don't want to go into too much of the minutia because I will end up writing a 10,000 word essay, but suffice to say that capitalism provides both intense temptation as well as a sense of competition between individuals ("Oh you only have a Honda, I have a BMW!") that people feel constantly pressured to appear rich. Everyone wants to be rich, but usually for the wrong reasons. People constantly want the newest iPhone, the newest car, the most expensive house they can barely afford. We have constant instant gratification simply by going on Amazon or Walmart and ordering something then having it on our doorstep a day or 2 later. Capitalism encourages excess, and excess is a form of addiction. People are addicted to buying new shit, as you get a dopamine rush/reward in your brain when you buy stuff. People are addicted to hoarding money, which explains the wealth gap. Nobody truly deserves a billion dollars and most of the people who have billions of dollars are fairly shitty people. Yes, they worked very hard, they they have a skillset that is rare and hard to replace, and yes, they definitely earned their money because the system is flawed and doesn't tax wealth properly. But they didn't work any harder than the single parent working 3 jobs to be able to pay rent and afford shitty health insurance and feed their kids. Or the person busting their ass 6 or 7 days a week, but still has to choose between going to the dentist or going to the doctor.
Capitalism encourages and reinforces shitty morals and values. It makes people's mindset all about ME ME ME and the things I can buy and how much money I have and how to look rich and snazzy so I can impress strangers when I drive my fancy car around. It's bullshit. It discourages thinking about US as a species, it discourages thinking about the planet and the health of the environment we live in. Well, when people are obsessed with ME ME ME and material possessions, they will be perpetually disappointed and constantly chasing a high they'll never achieve: contentment, fulfillment, and satisfaction with life. So instead they drink and do drugs.
2. Communism/authoritarianism: people in countries like China and Russia also struggle with addiction and drugs. This is often due to, well, their lives fucking sucking balls. Living under an authoritarian rule (or quasi-authoritarian rule like in Russia) and lack of upward mobility/opportunity makes one depressed, and far too often depressed people turn to drugs. When you are beat down by the system (and this occurs in capitalist countries too) you want an escape. Russia and the US actually are estimated to have fairly similar rates of addiction to opioids and alcohol. The punishment for drug possession or sales may be extremely harsh, but people are often so miserable they choose to do so anyway. I won't expand on this economic structure and further, as I want to move on.

Human nature and social norms: I am speaking of this from a western perspective, so this could be slightly different in other countries. Regardless, social norms and human nature play a HUGE, MASSIVE role in the addiction issues facing modern peoples. The "standard westerner" does all kinds of unhealthy shit: they binge watch netflix; they eat ice cream and candy and french fries, or drink soda or sugary coffee drinks; they drink alcohol socially or smoke cigarettes; they are glued to social media 24 hours per day. All of these things are nursed and habits are formed from a young age.
Look at THIS fucking clip that was on fucking Good Morning America as though it is the cutest thing ever and should be rewarded.
When I saw that clip, I was fucking disgusted. The standard layperson is simply so god damned ignorant, so clueless, so fucking stupid that they don't have a clue what they're doing to that poor, innocent baby. Ice cream is basically just sugar. Sugar is a drug. They gave drugs to this baby. They just lit up that baby's dopamine receptors and entire reward system in its brain like the fucking big thing at burning man. I literally immediately thought to myself "uh oh, here comes another heroin addict!". Now, that might not be true, the baby might be fine, but for whatever reason parents and people think there are no consequences to feeding their children HIGHLY ADDICTIVE shit. They pump them full of sugar and act like that's nothing wrong with it simply because that is the social norm. Big Sugar companies lobby politicians and pay scientists/manipulate research studies to ensure that sugar stays at the forefront of our diets.
When children are introduced to sugar as such a young age, nothing else can compete. We've all seen the kid that "doesn't like vegetables". That kid is also usually shoveling fruit juice (which is just liquid sugar) or pop tarts into their mouth every day. They'll eat a burger or chick-fil-a but they won't eat some cooked broccoli or green beans. We've all seen the obese/morbidly obese child that is the product of its environment--it was introduced to sugar at a very young age, was never checked or had limits on consumption, and now it's got fucking pre-diabetes at 10 years old. Well, sugar loses its ability to get you high pretty quickly--people develop a tolerance to it. Our malleable child-brains become so used to having these massive infusions of sugar that we need more and more to do the trick--often children consume more and more despite weight gain and health issues. This meets the definition of addiction. Well, once that sugar high is unattainable, guess what is next? Once they get to high school they will be introduced to drinking, cigarettes, marijuana, cocaine, pills, molly, you fucking name it and your local high school probably has someone in it who can get some. Or hell I see kids in middle school starting to guzzle extra large starbucks frappuccinos every day, starting the caffeine addiction far early than they should because those drinks are JUSR
SUGAR is the real gateway drug.
But there is more that I will touch on. Not only are kids given the drug known as sugar at way too young an age, way too often, and in way to large of quantities, but they are also given fucking phones and ipads to shut them up because parents don't wanna fucking parent. They are given apps that are built to be as engaging and addicting as possible. They are given these devices for HOURS while the parents sit around and drink alcohol and talk with their friends. YES, parents need some time away, but IMO if you aren't gonna actually fucking be a parent then you never should have had any fucking kids to begin with!! Don't say you want kids so bad, then the second they get a little rowdy (or go nuts because you gave them fucking ice cream and they're high as fucking hell) you say fuck it and give them a phone to distract them. It is fucking SICKENING and it happens all over the world.
Then as these kids grow up, they throw tantrums and have literal withdrawals if you take the sugar or the phone away.
So parents have played a HUGE role in the addiction crisis and still are. The average parent is raising an addict, even if they don't know it, because they are too damn complacent and ignorant.

Lastly, the medical system: I think this is getting better, but doctors used to introduce kids to vicodin and percocet at very young ages. They'd get their tonsils out or they'd break a bone or something and they'd give them this magical opioid that makes the pain go away and also causes intense euphoria. Parents play a role here too: lock up your kids pain meds and give them to your kid yourself, don't let your kid dose their own pain meds. That was the mistake my parents made (as well as others, lol). The medical system either gives out pain meds too early, they give out too much, or they don't give out enough when someone is older, causing them to look on the street for pain meds to self-treat their own pain. Additionally, you have psychiatrists doling out adderall and ritalin and xanax like it's candy to developing kids or teenagers.

In summary, there are a ton of factors that go into the addiction crisis. Many people just want to blame big pharma. Yes, they played a MASSIVE role and it's proven that they actually purposefully downplayed the addiction aspect of these drugs in the trials and committed nefarious acts to try to maximize the number of patients that would get addicted to these meds in order to maximize profits for the company. Yes, this is horrifying, but PARENTS play a MASSIVE ROLE. Parents just don't wanna fucking parent. All these people sit around thinking how they need to have a baby for whatever reason (societal norms, pressure from their parents or peers, rose-colored glasses view of what it's like to have a baby), but they don't fucking think long term about the childs life and what their lives will truly be like. Chauffeuring your child around every day, spending thousands of dollars on bullshit that they grow out of in 6 months or fads that they lose interest in far too quickly. But most of all, most parents don't even know how to fucking take care of themselves! They are fat, unhealthy, waste their lives away watching bullshit television shows that are so despicable they shouldn't even be on the air, they're psychologically fucked up with problems they've never worked through and don't even try to improve/alleviate, have tons of bad habits they never work to break, and really just don't strive for self improvement or continuous learning at all...and all those awful traits get passed down to their kids. Then they are so baffled when their kid gets into pain pills or becomes a pothead, or they get upset because their kid never wants to go outside when the parent themselves is glued to their phone/the TV and gave the kid an ipad at 3 years old.

Parents need to take responsibility. The system isn't going to change. Capitalism, communism, whatever system you live in is here to stay, and right now in most countries the chances are looking pretty bleak that things will get better. Around the world we are sliding into extremism and further political gridlock. Hell, the "leader of the free world" barely survived an attempted coup by an egomaniac/wannabe-dictator and tens of millions of people still support him!

Ignorance is the leading offender here, but also shitty morals and values. People need to rethink their lives. People need to ask questions and think critically (which unfortunately a lot of people don't because they are discouraged from a very young age by western religion, where asking too many questions is very bad as it points out the blatantly pathetic holes in the christian/jewish/muslim belief systems).

Every single person in the world needs to take their own health into their own hands. Learn to eat healthy, learn to enjoy exercise, get off the fucking phones and social media sites, shift our values to that of the betterment of ALL people and the health of the planet, not just the riches for "me and mine". This is what allowed me to escape my deep, intense addiction. I was living in a homeless shelter. Now I own real estate and work a high paying job in IT and am about to move into my dream home in my early 30s. I am confident I could raise a kid that wouldn't become an addict at this point and would likely be a very confident and awesome child. 10 years ago that wouldn't have been the case at all, I would've raised a piece of shit human that probably would've been addicted to drugs just like I was.

Only once people have helped themselves, then they can start having kids and raising them in a healthy way that will minimize the risk of not only addiction, but literally every other fucking mental health issue in the book!! Only then can we start to see an improvement in society as a whole, and I personally think only then will we see rates of drug use and addiction go down. As to whether this will ever happen or not...personally I don't think so, but I am a pessimist about humanity and a professed strong misanthrope, so don't take my word for it! Each individual taking responsibility and imitative is going to be the only way things could truly change. No law or policy or governmental campaign can every change people's deeply rooted habits and values, it's something everyone needs to do for themselves.

Anyway. That's my brain dump for the day. Enjoy!
 
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So if we had a tax system that punished economic winners and rewarded economic losers, then they would not have definitely earned their money???

Already does that.
There is a common misconception that because businesses are taxed a a "Lower" percentage, that they dint pay their fair share.
People love to ignore the government revenue created by income taxing employees of said companies.
Much like the New York Amazon fiasco, where the state turned down an additional 150 Million per anum in tax revenue that increased employment would have contributed to local and state government coffers.

As for "Wealthy" (Whatever the fuck that means now) I assure you, between my high tax bracket and capitals gains (50 fucking percent on any profits made by my company on house reins and sales) then pay another 60% on whatever I take home.

The government takes in surplus of 70% gross profit I make.... I get 30% on my fucking hard work.... 7 day... 16 hour work days.

How the fuck is that not paying my mother fucking share?
 
Already does that.
There is a common misconception that because businesses are taxed a a "Lower" percentage, that they dint pay their fair share.
People love to ignore the government revenue created by income taxing employees of said companies.
Much like the New York Amazon fiasco, where the state turned down an additional 150 Million per anum in tax revenue that increased employment would have contributed to local and state government coffers.

As for "Wealthy" (Whatever the fuck that means now) I assure you, between my high tax bracket and capitals gains (50 fucking percent on any profits made by my company on house reins and sales) then pay another 60% on whatever I take home.

The government takes in surplus of 70% gross profit I make.... I get 30% on my fucking hard work.... 7 day... 16 hour work days.

How the fuck is that not paying my mother fucking share?
Dude are you serious taxes are that high up there?! Fuck all that, I would like to think we wouldn't stand for that down here, but based on the results of the last year, I have my doubts people won't take whatever the government jams down their throats
 
Dude are you serious taxes are that high up there?! Fuck all that, I would like to think we wouldn't stand for that down here, but based on the results of the last year, I have my doubts people won't take whatever the government jams down their throats
Bro
We are one of the highest taxed places around.
Then I have the privilege of people telling me "I dont do enough to help my fellow man"
Fuck that shit.

Naw, I had a lot of respect for Americans as a whole.
Still have respect for a few.
But this last while has showed me the U.S has finally.become a country where the majority are weak as fuck sheep.
Just like the rest of the planet.

The hard are hard as all fuck.
But the majority follow the leader and chew their CUD like good little herd animals
 
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So if we had a tax system that punished economic winners and rewarded economic losers, then they would not have definitely earned their money???

Already does that.
There is a common misconception that because businesses are taxed a a "Lower" percentage, that they dint pay their fair share.
People love to ignore the government revenue created by income taxing employees of said companies.
Much like the New York Amazon fiasco, where the state turned down an additional 150 Million per anum in tax revenue that increased employment would have contributed to local and state government coffers.

As for "Wealthy" (Whatever the fuck that means now) I assure you, between my high tax bracket and capitals gains (50 fucking percent on any profits made by my company on house reins and sales) then pay another 60% on whatever I take home.

The government takes in surplus of 70% gross profit I make.... I get 30% on my fucking hard work.... 7 day... 16 hour work days.

How the fuck is that not paying my mother fucking share?
I never said you weren't paying your share. I am referring to the Jeff Bezos. The Elon Musks. The Larry Ellisons. The Kochs and the Waltons. Etc. Etc. Small businesses/small business owners aren't the problem at all. It is the big businesses and the monopolies that are the problem.

I am NOT SAYING that any business owner shouldn't be rewarded for their efforts above and beyond the average person. I don't think anybody other than hardcore socialists think that. In your case it sounds like your taxes are out of control (I think you live in Canada?). That is in contrast to the taxes in the US where the top tax bracket and particularly the corporate taxes are far too low. It all started with fucking Reagan when he decided to cut taxes for the rich and Trickle Down Economics was formed--which is proved not to work (that is just one of many studies I could cite to support this). It just doesn't fucking work and I can't believe that the right wing still pushes this and somehow people buy it. It doesn't take much brains to look at taxes over time and look at the wealth of the top 1% and see what is happening: they aren't sharing, there's very little trickling down to The People, instead they are just hoarding all this money--essentially taking it out of circulation and actually harming the US economy.

There is no easy answer to this problem at all. What frustrates me is that some people want to deny that it's a problem that the top 1% of people control Now, the answer isn't necessarily only higher taxes. Perhaps the CEOs and executives should just simply get compensated less so that their employees can get paid more. Perhaps instead of ONLY granting massive amounts of equity to the executives, companies should have profit-sharing programs or grant stock to their employees.

We NEED to have a wealth gap (and this is shown in the ideal chart below). A McDonald's worker or a janitor should not be paid the same as an analyst, who should not be paid the same as a VP or a CEO. The problem is that the wealth gap is just too big. There should not be an exponential increase there at the end towards the top 1%.

Take a look at this data:

92% (myself included) think that the chart below is a pretty damn ideal looking wealth chart. The poor people are still pretty poor but are still above the poverty line. In this, we have a very strong middle class, then rich people are obviously much richer and the ultra-wealthy are still much wealthier than everyone else. They would have plenty of money for whatever they need/want, and easily wouldn't have to work again if they chose. They would have plenty to pass down to their children and their children after them.
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This is what people THINK the wealth distribution of America looks like. The rich and wealth are still making about 100x that of other Americans--so still extremely rich. Honestly, even this isn't so bad. Yes, there are some below the poverty line, and the poor aren't doing very good. The rich are WAY wealthier than everyone else, but there's still a pretty solid middle class and the gap isn't THAT large, though maybe it could be reduced a little bit. However ,this isn't even close to reality.
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Below you will see what America's wealth distribution ACTUALLY looks like. I don't understand how anybody could look at this and tell me there's nothing wrong at all. The top 1% hoard 40% of the country's wealth. The bottom 80% only hold a mere 7-fucking-percent of the country's wealth. There are 15% of people below the poverty line, and the middle class is almost non existent (and continues to shrink). The richest 1% take home 25% of the national income today, they own 50% of the countries' stocks/bonds/mutual funds. The average CEO makes 380x more money than the average worker.

Again, FIXING this problem is up for debate and something that is so complex I don't even think we can get into it here, but people need to recognize that this IS a problem. This disparity only continues to get worse as the years go by and the right wing wants to continue making it even worse than it already is. I am not a leftist or a democrat. I am extremely pro-gun/2nd amendment and I sure as fuck don't think that we should have a system that lazy people can milk to get by without working/contributing. Below you can see the other lines above overlaid, the "ideal" chosen by 90% of Americans (both conservative and liberal) and what people think it is. The disparity is jaw-dropping.

This is all hard data and there's no denying it. Is anyone here saying that there is absolutely nothing wrong with this wealth distribution chart?

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Now, with such a massive portion of Americans in such dire financial straits with no way out and no light at the end of the tunnel, is it any wonder that they turn to alcohol or other drugs to just numb their pain from the stress and hopelessness they feel? Obviously there's many other factors, but what @adamcarpenter said about human beings being reduced to cattle seems correct to me. The vast majority of us have been turned into cash cows for the wealthy, but mostly just the mega-ultra-wealthy, to milk and enrich themselves with more and more money they don't even fucking need and will never, ever even be able to use! Then you have their underpaid employees of the very same companies run by these billionaires fighting to get a raise from $45k to $50k--or you have these big businesses taking out massive federal aid checks and then just laying off tens of thousands of workers anyway!!

We need to fix this problem or it will destroy this coutnry.
 
No man, as soon as you started going off about the kid eating ice cream I couldn’t anymore, I’m sorry.
Eh, thats fine. I dont need you to agree, personally I just think it is fucked up to introduce a baby or kid to such an intense sugar high. I personally believe that the diet people grow up on does influencr their risk of addiction. Seeing that baby's face light up and it grab for MORE MORE MOAARRR really shows just how addictive of a drug sugar is.

Our brains simply are not adapted to be able to handle such things. While it may make for a video that the average american finds cute, and perhaps it isn't doing serious damage to the babys brain (though I would argue it likely is doing some damage in short circuiting the babys reward center in its brain), it 100% isnt doing any good at all. It's nit just ice cream. That video just makes for a gold example. Jarred baby food is horrible and essentially just sugar and also sets up children to have fucked up reward centers in their brains. This is one of many factors I mentioned that all work together across the population to drasticallly increase the risk of opioid addiction at the individual level. All if this is just in my opinion, so take it for what it is, though I do base my opinions in both research and personal experience.
 
The only way to take power over the system is to opt out, as much as you can. Become as self sufficient as you can. Develop critical thinking skills (this can be incredibly difficult especially on your own).

Your not going stop the laws of physics or natural law. If you join a large scale cooperative effort, power always moves up, and shit rolls downhill. I don’t know why, but every time humans group together we inevitably build systems that function as Ponzi schemes.

The best you can do as an individual is to build your power, either inside the system, or preferably outside of it. This has to be your life’s work. The hardest part, I think is overcoming demoralization. To survive today, you find yourself in a process that requires complete obedience hundreds, thousands of times a day. Sometimes we get to choose our preferences, but even those are provided by system.

This constant state of obedience effectively kills the human spirit. Testosterone levels fall further every year, critical thinking dulls, each generation dumber and more compliant than the last. We have to medicate ourselves with anti depressants, stimulants and anti psychotic medication just to stay pacified.

Start opting out. Get rid of your TV. Don’t consume any source of mainstream media. Stay away from social media as much as possible. Limit your time on the internet. Start becoming self sufficient. Learn to work with your hands and do everything yourself that you can. Set goals, and work towards your goals. Live as far below your means as possible, and save as much money as you can.

Your not going to reform or destroy the system, but you don’t have to. Trees grow to the sky until they fall over. The system will collapse eventually. The power structure of the Soviet Union was enormous, until one day it just disappeared. So spend your time preparing for the next collapse, and put yourself in position to take advantage of it.
 
You have to live in your OWN world, create your own norms, and live to your own standards. Only then will ppl truly be happy. You talk about instant gratification, and I agree, that's why there are so many pussies in the gym nowadays!! Sometimes I think the ones that do more with less get a lot further
 
Eh, thats fine. I dont need you to agree, personally I just think it is fucked up to introduce a baby or kid to such an intense sugar high. I personally believe that the diet people grow up on does influencr their risk of addiction. Seeing that baby's face light up and it grab for MORE MORE MOAARRR really shows just how addictive of a drug sugar is.

Our brains simply are not adapted to be able to handle such things. While it may make for a video that the average american finds cute, and perhaps it isn't doing serious damage to the babys brain (though I would argue it likely is doing some damage in short circuiting the babys reward center in its brain), it 100% isnt doing any good at all. It's nit just ice cream. That video just makes for a gold example. Jarred baby food is horrible and essentially just sugar and also sets up children to have fucked up reward centers in their brains. This is one of many factors I mentioned that all work together across the population to drasticallly increase the risk of opioid addiction at the individual level. All if this is just in my opinion, so take it for what it is, though I do base my opinions in both research and personal experience.
and that’s alright, nobody has to agree with anyone, people can agree to disagree or whatever and move on. Still a good read, just not for me.
 
tax bracket and capitals gains (50 fucking percent on any profits made by my company on house reins and sales) then pay another 60% on whatever I take home.

The government takes in surplus of 70% gross profit I make.... I get 30% on my fucking hard work.... 7 day... 16 hour work days.
I'll leave some room for hyperbole here, but those sorts of percentages just are not possible under the US income tax system.

Most Americans routinely overestimate how much they pay in taxes because they do not understand how tax brackets work.

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For example, if you look at the 2021 brackets for unmarried people, these are for single people, you will see that the first almost $10,000 is taxed at 10%. You will then see the next $30,000 or so is taxed at 12%. The next $46,000 is taxed at 22%. Then the next $78,000 is taxed at 24%. The next $50,000 is taxed at 32%. Then the next $300,000 is taxed at 35% and everything beyond there is taxed at 37%. Now those brackets are a little bit bigger if you're married, filing jointly, and actually vary a little bit if you file as a head of household, which usually means a parent and a child.

The standard deductions also go up with your filing status. In 2021, it's $12,550 if you are a single. It’s $25,100 if you're married filing jointly, and it's $18,800 if you're a filing as head of household. That essentially functions as a 0% tax bracket. As you go along, you fill up the brackets. Just because you get bumped into the next tax bracket, it doesn't mean that all the money you make is taxed at 35% or 37% or whatever the next tax bracket is. Only the money you earn in that tax bracket is taxed at that rate. That is really important to understand.
 
I never said you weren't paying your share. I am referring to the Jeff Bezos. The Elon Musks. The Larry Ellisons. The Kochs and the Waltons. Etc. Etc. Small businesses/small business owners aren't the problem at all. It is the big businesses and the monopolies that are the problem.

I am NOT SAYING that any business owner shouldn't be rewarded for their efforts above and beyond the average person. I don't think anybody other than hardcore socialists think that. In your case it sounds like your taxes are out of control (I think you live in Canada?). That is in contrast to the taxes in the US where the top tax bracket and particularly the corporate taxes are far too low. It all started with fucking Reagan when he decided to cut taxes for the rich and Trickle Down Economics was formed--which is proved not to work (that is just one of many studies I could cite to support this). It just doesn't fucking work and I can't believe that the right wing still pushes this and somehow people buy it. It doesn't take much brains to look at taxes over time and look at the wealth of the top 1% and see what is happening: they aren't sharing, there's very little trickling down to The People, instead they are just hoarding all this money--essentially taking it out of circulation and actually harming the US economy.

There is no easy answer to this problem at all. What frustrates me is that some people want to deny that it's a problem that the top 1% of people control Now, the answer isn't necessarily only higher taxes. Perhaps the CEOs and executives should just simply get compensated less so that their employees can get paid more. Perhaps instead of ONLY granting massive amounts of equity to the executives, companies should have profit-sharing programs or grant stock to their employees.

We NEED to have a wealth gap (and this is shown in the ideal chart below). A McDonald's worker or a janitor should not be paid the same as an analyst, who should not be paid the same as a VP or a CEO. The problem is that the wealth gap is just too big. There should not be an exponential increase there at the end towards the top 1%.

Take a look at this data:

92% (myself included) think that the chart below is a pretty damn ideal looking wealth chart. The poor people are still pretty poor but are still above the poverty line. In this, we have a very strong middle class, then rich people are obviously much richer and the ultra-wealthy are still much wealthier than everyone else. They would have plenty of money for whatever they need/want, and easily wouldn't have to work again if they chose. They would have plenty to pass down to their children and their children after them.
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This is what people THINK the wealth distribution of America looks like. The rich and wealth are still making about 100x that of other Americans--so still extremely rich. Honestly, even this isn't so bad. Yes, there are some below the poverty line, and the poor aren't doing very good. The rich are WAY wealthier than everyone else, but there's still a pretty solid middle class and the gap isn't THAT large, though maybe it could be reduced a little bit. However ,this isn't even close to reality.
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Below you will see what America's wealth distribution ACTUALLY looks like. I don't understand how anybody could look at this and tell me there's nothing wrong at all. The top 1% hoard 40% of the country's wealth. The bottom 80% only hold a mere 7-fucking-percent of the country's wealth. There are 15% of people below the poverty line, and the middle class is almost non existent (and continues to shrink). The richest 1% take home 25% of the national income today, they own 50% of the countries' stocks/bonds/mutual funds. The average CEO makes 380x more money than the average worker.

Again, FIXING this problem is up for debate and something that is so complex I don't even think we can get into it here, but people need to recognize that this IS a problem. This disparity only continues to get worse as the years go by and the right wing wants to continue making it even worse than it already is. I am not a leftist or a democrat. I am extremely pro-gun/2nd amendment and I sure as fuck don't think that we should have a system that lazy people can milk to get by without working/contributing. Below you can see the other lines above overlaid, the "ideal" chosen by 90% of Americans (both conservative and liberal) and what people think it is. The disparity is jaw-dropping.

This is all hard data and there's no denying it. Is anyone here saying that there is absolutely nothing wrong with this wealth distribution chart?

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Now, with such a massive portion of Americans in such dire financial straits with no way out and no light at the end of the tunnel, is it any wonder that they turn to alcohol or other drugs to just numb their pain from the stress and hopelessness they feel? Obviously there's many other factors, but what @adamcarpenter said about human beings being reduced to cattle seems correct to me. The vast majority of us have been turned into cash cows for the wealthy, but mostly just the mega-ultra-wealthy, to milk and enrich themselves with more and more money they don't even fucking need and will never, ever even be able to use! Then you have their underpaid employees of the very same companies run by these billionaires fighting to get a raise from $45k to $50k--or you have these big businesses taking out massive federal aid checks and then just laying off tens of thousands of workers anyway!!

We need to fix this problem or it will destroy this coutnry.


I do not follow. What is the problem?

What does it matter to the 99% in the wealthiest time and place in all of human history if the 1% are even richer? What is the downside of this?

You juggle "wealth" and "income" terms throughout your post like they are the same thing. They are not.

But from 2018 to 2019 the median household income (median is that guy right in the middle of the entire USA) jumped up 6.8% from $64,324 to $68,703. 2019 was the fifth consecutive year of increasing median household income. In addition, the household poverty rate was the lowest in 2019 since they started tracking the poverty rate.

Are the median and lower ends of the spectrum better off or worse off? Going off of your post, I guess I cannot know the answer without knowing whether Jeff Bezos's income went up more than 6.8% that year, because if it did . . . well, then, what, exactly?

If I get a 50% bonus at the end of the year worth $50,000 on my $100,000 corporate salary at your corporation, do I bitch because you, as the owner, made a profit of $30 million?

I do not understand your argument at all.

Americans were better and better off in recent history, regardless of whether some super rich few were even better off.

The economy is not a zero sum game where money has to be taken from one person to be given to another.
 
I'll leave some room for hyperbole here, but those sorts of percentages just are not possible under the US income tax system.

Most Americans routinely overestimate how much they pay in taxes because they do not understand how tax brackets work.

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For example, if you look at the 2021 brackets for unmarried people, these are for single people, you will see that the first almost $10,000 is taxed at 10%. You will then see the next $30,000 or so is taxed at 12%. The next $46,000 is taxed at 22%. Then the next $78,000 is taxed at 24%. The next $50,000 is taxed at 32%. Then the next $300,000 is taxed at 35% and everything beyond there is taxed at 37%. Now those brackets are a little bit bigger if you're married, filing jointly, and actually vary a little bit if you file as a head of household, which usually means a parent and a child.

The standard deductions also go up with your filing status. In 2021, it's $12,550 if you are a single. It’s $25,100 if you're married filing jointly, and it's $18,800 if you're a filing as head of household. That essentially functions as a 0% tax bracket. As you go along, you fill up the brackets. Just because you get bumped into the next tax bracket, it doesn't mean that all the money you make is taxed at 35% or 37% or whatever the next tax bracket is. Only the money you earn in that tax bracket is taxed at that rate. That is really important to understand.

Canadian here
I envy the American tax system.
Believe me... my accountants had to explain our taxes to me.. as I was in shock at how much I owed lol
I made them go over it 3x hahaha

My bread and butter is buying and flipping homes.
For an easy number
Let's say 220k is my profit from a flip (That's not all I do, but it's a portion)

13%HST off the top
26.76% is deducted from.profits right off the bat as a Capital gains tax.
Literally upon sale.. 40% of my hard work is gone... before the cheque hits my bank account.
Gone lol
There are capital gains bonds etc.... but they're a whole topic of discussion by themselves.

Anything taken as salary is APPROXIMATELY 36% (If I was an idiot without a "Creative" accountant... but that's beside the point) We could get into shareholder dividends etc... but no matter what I'm getting an annual forensic audit and they will choke more out of me than I owe.
Those fuckers once audited me because I was claiming Offixe rent as an expense and didnt believe I had an office.... ummmm.. how the fuck do I have 30 staff without an office? (Sorry.... ranting here at this point lol.)

Then our HST of 13% on ANYTHING we buy.

Its fucking vicious up here brother

I do not follow. What is the problem?

What does it matter to the 99% in the wealthiest time and place in all of human history if the 1% are even richer? What is the downside of this?

You juggle "wealth" and "income" terms throughout your post like they are the same thing. They are not.

But from 2018 to 2019 the median household income (median is that guy right in the middle of the entire USA) jumped up 6.8% from $64,324 to $68,703. 2019 was the fifth consecutive year of increasing median household income. In addition, the household poverty rate was the lowest in 2019 since they started tracking the poverty rate.

Are the median and lower ends of the spectrum better off or worse off? Going off of your post, I guess I cannot know the answer without knowing whether Jeff Bezos's income went up more than 6.8% that year, because if it did . . . well, then, what, exactly?

If I get a 50% bonus at the end of the year worth $50,000 on my $100,000 corporate salary at your corporation, do I bitch because you, as the owner, made a profit of $30 million?

I do not understand your argument at all.

Americans were better and better off in recent history, regardless of whether some super rich few were even better off.

The economy is not a zero sum game where money has to be taken from one person to be given to another.

Couldnt agree more with your statement.

Risk vs reward.

I tell my guys all the time.
"If you fuck up.. what happens?.... nothing, you say oh well, and go home."

I have to pay for it out of pocket... or I lose a client... or I lose my business

I've had 4 days off in 2 years.... my compensation should reflect that.

Ever met some larger company executives?
I know a few. (Not me, I'm a small business)
Sleep? fuck that
Time with kids?
Nope
Time with significant other?
Fuck no

Sacrifice responsibility and liability are reflected in pay scale.

Business create jobs

Jobs produce income.tax and sales tax revenue from workers.
It is beneficial for companies to grow and create jobs to produce additional revenue for the government coffers.

Is there corruption? yes
Let's eliminate the power of the lobbyists so things like Big Pharma cant legislate us into sickness and death.
Or put practices into place that banks cant bet and leverage junk debt to make trillions using an unstable and unethical platform.

Business tax should remain low as fuck
 
good post OP and I agree with most

to add

1. addiction is 100 percent choice not a "disease" anyone who says otherwise is a social justice clown, no one makes someone take drugs

2. if your an addict its your own fault, overcome it, many do
Thanks @rfan2020

I would like to counter your argument that it is 100% a choice. Addiction starts off as a choice, but then becomes a disease.

Would you say diabetes isn't a disease? Type 2 diabetes usually starts off as a choice: the choice to eat garbage processed foods and consume WAY too much sugar. Then continue doing so for years. Diabetes has even MORE leeway with it, because usually people can physically see that they are getting fat as fuck. Their doctor tells them they need to lose weight, their doctor might even diagnose them as pre-diabetic and tell them if they don't stop they WILL get diabetes.

Then they don't stop and still get diabetes anyway. Their life goes to shit, they can't do much of anything except sit around, the might eventually have to have limbs amputated, etc.

It's the same with drugs. People use drugs, they make them feel good, take away the persons pain or depression or anxiety for awhile...then wear off and the person wants to feel better again, so they use more. That continues for a few months and boom, you are physically dependent on this substance. The brain chemistry starts to change as well, the person can't go without the drug. Then they have destroyed their life with this drug.

So yeah, it starts off as a choice. Using the drug itself continues to be a choice--one that gets harder and harder. Similar to diabetes.

So yes, using the drug is a choice. The choice to pick up the bottle or pipe or needle is one that addicts make every day--often without even thinking about it. Just like people who every day choose to pick up a 2 donuts and starbucks frappuccino, then eat a milky way as a snack, then have mcdonalds for lunch, etc., etc.

One route ends in physical dependence and addiction, the other ends in diabetes (and I would argue, addiction to sugar). How are the two different? How is diabetes a disease and addiction not? I'm really curious about your take here.
 
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good post OP and I agree with most

to add

1. addiction is 100 percent choice not a "disease" anyone who says otherwise is a social justice clown, no one makes someone take drugs

2. if your an addict its your own fault, overcome it, many do
Its not that easy. I was not given much choice when forced to take 200mgs ritalin a day when i was 7 and barely weighed 60 lbs. When i complained my mother simply snuck it into my food. I suffered massive hallucinations and became badly withdrawn. Mother didnt care. So i stopped eating.

Fast forward to my adult years and I became another statistic. Something like 70% of children who took ritalin as children have grown up to become drug addicted adults. First it was cocaine and then crystal meth for me.

You speak so callously of choice, you have no idea. I cried myself to sleep alone in the dark for YEARS 14 of them to be exact. Fourteen years is a long time to have hated myself and what I had become. My family gave up and moved on. I have few friends.

I dreamed from the time i was 14 and dropped out of school to avoid bullies of becoming Mr Olympia. I dedicated my life to it. Day in and day out, over 10 years I couldnt be swayed. One day I had a surplus of freebies courtesy of being a moderator of an anabolic forum. I traded a few things for some.x thinking it would be a fun thing to try. It rocked my world, I cried literally when I came down.

Every night for FOURTEEN YEARS i hated myself because that was another day I missed a workout. To you its this easy choice but im telling you, its not that simple. I had some luck in the past using abilify to try and take the edge off my cravings and it worked but the side effects were too much. I stopped taking it and went right back to crystal. I still hated myself. I wasnt.lifting.

I dont think you fully understand where I am coming from. I love my sport, I would die for my sport. Yet the pull of crystal was somehow greater. Recently I discovered Cabergoline which functions in some ways similar to abilify but at a lower dose and with less side effects. Ive been clean for a while now and the difference is that I am lifting and i love myself again. Bodybuilding is essential to life for me.

If you know and care about anyone currently suffering addiction please show them love compassion and keep a comfortable distance (hate to say it.) But please do not be so quick to judge.

Mike
 
Its not that easy. I was not given much choice when forced to take 200mgs ritalin a day when i was 7 and barely weighed 60 lbs. When i complained my mother simply snuck it into my food. I suffered massive hallucinations and became badly withdrawn. Mother didnt care. So i stopped eating.

Fast forward to my adult years and I became another statistic. Something like 70% of children who took ritalin as children have grown up to become drug addicted adults. First it was cocaine and then crystal meth for me.

You speak so callously of choice, you have no idea. I cried myself to sleep alone in the dark for YEARS 14 of them to be exact. Fourteen years is a long time to have hated myself and what I had become. My family gave up and moved on. I have few friends.

I dreamed from the time i was 14 and dropped out of school to avoid bullies of becoming Mr Olympia. I dedicated my life to it. Day in and day out, over 10 years I couldnt be swayed. One day I had a surplus of freebies courtesy of being a moderator of an anabolic forum. I traded a few things for some.x thinking it would be a fun thing to try. It rocked my world, I cried literally when I came down.

Every night for FOURTEEN YEARS i hated myself because that was another day I missed a workout. To you its this easy choice but im telling you, its not that simple. I had some luck in the past using abilify to try and take the edge off my cravings and it worked but the side effects were too much. I stopped taking it and went right back to crystal. I still hated myself. I wasnt.lifting.

I dont think you fully understand where I am coming from. I love my sport, I would die for my sport. Yet the pull of crystal was somehow greater. Recently I discovered Cabergoline which functions in some ways similar to abilify but at a lower dose and with less side effects. Ive been clean for a while now and the difference is that I am lifting and i love myself again. Bodybuilding is essential to life for me.

If you know and care about anyone currently suffering addiction please show them love compassion and keep a comfortable distance (hate to say it.) But please do not be so quick to judge.

Mike
sounds like you are making a way to move forward.

The pull is greater than life itself. Both my dad and brother died from using. Yet i still used. I think about using something at least 1x a day. But then i hit the gym instead.

both my dad and brother have a loving family. Yet drugs were stronger. I am trying to change this for myself.

the pull has taken so many, its one of the strongest feelings in the world. Where it litterally makes your own brain convince yourself you sn, to just have just one or maybe one day ill do it again. I can control it. But you cant.
 
sounds like you are making a way to move forward.

The pull is greater than life itself. Both my dad and brother died from using. Yet i still used. I think about using something at least 1x a day. But then i hit the gym instead.

both my dad and brother have a loving family. Yet drugs were stronger. I am trying to change this for myself.

the pull has taken so many, its one of the strongest feelings in the world. Where it litterally makes your own brain convince yourself you sn, to just have just one or maybe one day ill do it again. I can control it. But you cant.
Yeah it really is impossible at some times to NOT use. It's really crazy. That is what people who haven't experienced it don't understand. They say "addiction isn't a disease, it is a choice--just stop using!" and it just shows how fucking little they know about the disease. As I said my previous post, it starts out as a choice, but very quickly the choice is taken away and you are compulsively driven to continue using even as your life crashes down around you.

I am truly sorry for you loss. I know that all to well.

I hope your quitting kratom effort is going okay man, I know you said it was rough...and I know it is fucking hard as hell...best wishes to you my man.
 
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