advice on upcoming test e cycle

[boxcar]

Please advise my upcoming test e cycle
25, 205lbs

weeks 1-4 DMZ 45mg (ran it before)
Weeks 1-?? test E 300mg Monday morning and Thursday night
Weeks 2-?? Armidex .25 or .5 based on symptoms
(I havent decided on how long I want to run, going to feel it)
week 7 blood work

Two weeks after last injection PCT

Nolva 40/20/10/10/
Clomid?
Low dose AI 3 weeks into PCT for 3 weeks

 

[Dr JIM]

It seems there are several companies with a "DMZ" supplement.

Since I don't know what's in your particular brand of DMZ, I really can't provide appropriate advice especially whether PCT is even needed.

Take a PIC and post it or list the ingredients if what you want is an INFORMED opinion, rather than conjecture.

What is your age, % BF, and weight?

jim

 

[TaoPhD]

Hey man, if you are taking test you should wait until day 21 to start your PCT. Its pretty standard to run clomid as 100/100/50/50 and nolva at 40/40/20/20.
I'm not sure how that may change with DMZ though.
Is this your fist cycle?

 

[boxcar]

Hey man, if you are taking test you should wait until day 21 to start your PCT. Its pretty standard to run clomid as 100/100/50/50 and nolva at 40/40/20/20.
I'm not sure how that may change with DMZ though.
Is this your fist cycle?

I'm using DMZ as a kickstart.
And running 600mg of test e per week, for maybe a minimum of 12 weeks.

Are you saying wait 21 days until my last pin to start PCT? Every thing i've ever read said two weeks.

 

[boxcar]

It seems there are several companies with a "DMZ" supplement.

Since I don't know what's in your particular brand of DMZ, I really can't provide appropriate advice especially whether PCT is even needed.

Take a PIC and post it or list the ingredients if what you want is an INFORMED opinion, rather than conjecture.

What is your age, % BF, and weight?

jim

It's LGI DMZ, ran it before with great results.
I'm only using it as a kickstarter for my test e cycle of 600mg a week.

25, 205lbs, 13%bf

 

[Dr JIM]

I think your missing my point. At age 25 PCT is NOT needed if the only legit AAS is TT, if the DMZ you are using is a designer AAS which suppresses pituitary GONADOTROPIN release then PCT would prob be helpful IMO.

I also don't believe someone at your age who is cycling only TWO AAS receives any benefit by using TWO rather than ONE SERM.

Jim

 

[boxcar]

I think your missing my point. At age 25 PCT is NOT needed if the only legit AAS is TT, if the DMZ you are using is a designer AAS which suppresses pituitary GONADOTROPIN release then PCT would prob be helpful IMO.

I also don't believe someone at your age who is cycling only TWO AAS receives any benefit by using TWO rather than ONE SERM.

Jim

Your making no sense at all to me.

I'm using DMZ as a kickstarter to my test cycle.... for four weeks.

I'm running test e at 600mg a week for at least 12 weeks.

You saying I need to do a PCT during my test e cycle?

And than your saying I only need 1 SERM after my 12 week cycle??

 

[TaoPhD]

There is a pretty good PCT calculator out there that gives you the correct time to start PCT. You will probably get some more guys chiming in on PCT but all I've read says 19-21 days for PCT start.

 

[boxcar]

There is a pretty good PCT calculator out there that gives you the correct time to start PCT. You will probably get some more guys chiming in on PCT but all I've read says 19-21 days for PCT start.

Okay, thanks man. I'll look into that.

 

[Dr JIM]

When PCT should begin depends upon the half life of those AAS being cycled.

There is NO BENEFIT in starting PCT if the HTPA is still being suppressed by supplemented AAS.

Consequently PCT should be delayed until at LEAST THREE HALF lives of the longest AAS being cycled has passed.


Since that is probably T-e in your case and T-e has a half life of 5-7 days PCT should not begin BEFORE day 14 (I would suggest day 21) after your last pinning of T-e

Prob the reason your "confused" is your not clear yourself how long the T-e will be cycled, as shown by your ? mark along side this proposed cycle.

More importantly since the last EIGHT WEEKS of your cycle will consist of T-e only PCT IS NOT NEEDED at your age.

But if you insist, one SERM is more than adequate.

What lab tests will be performed at WEEK 7?

Finally why are you even CONSIDERING a cycle longer than 12 WEEKS?

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

I'll second the question, is this your FIRST CYCLE!

 

[boxcar]

When PCT should begin depends upon the half life of those AAS being cycled.

There is NO BENEFIT in starting PCT if the HTPA is still being suppressed by supplemented AAS.

Consequently PCT should be delayed until at LEAST THREE HALF lives of the longest AAS being cycled has passed.


Since that is probably T-e in your case and T-e has a half life of 5-7 days PCT should not begin BEFORE day 14 (I would suggest day 21) after your last pinning of T-e

Prob the reason your "confused" is your not clear yourself how long the T-e will be cycled, as shown by your ? mark along side this proposed cycle.

More importantly since the last EIGHT WEEKS of your cycle will consist of T-e only PCT IS NOT NEEDED at your age.

But if you insist, one SERM is more than adequate.

What lab tests will be performed at WEEK 7?

Finally why are you even CONSIDERING a cycle longer than 12 WEEKS?

Jim

Yes, this is my FIRST injectable cycle. I have done a few Prohormone cycles before, with proper support, and SERM pct, and blood to prove I recovered.

I was considering longer than 12 weeks to help my body get used to having the muscle etc, so I dont lose it PCT.

And saying I dont need to do a PCT is blowing my mind. Your the only person to ever tell me I don't need to use a PCT for a Test-e cycle at 600mg a week.

I've done PCT with my prohormones, done Nolva, AI, natty test boosters etc.

 

[Dr JIM]

No PCT blows your mind?
What do you think Arnie did PCT, NOT yet they recovered just fine, yet your only doing TEST!

What blows my mind is the reasoning behind doing an cycle longer than 12 Weeks!

So you don't loose muscle mass? Well when will you stop AAS and recover your HTPA?

Personally I believe you have A LOT more reading to do before cycling, because you have much to learn fella.

 

[boxcar]

No PCT blows your mind?
What do you think Arnie did PCT, NOT yet they recovered just fine, yet your only doing TEST!

What blows my mind is the reasoning behind doing an cycle longer than 12 Weeks!

So you don't loose muscle mass? Well when will you stop AAS and recover your HTPA?

Personally I believe you have A LOT more reading to do before cycling, because you have much to learn fella.

So, what do I do about all the estrogen in my system? Does that just flow freely and bind where ever?

So, I do only 12 weeks of test e at 600mgs.
21 days after last injection i do nothing?

 

[Dr JIM]

Read again the last paragraph of my last post!

 

[boxcar]

Read again the last paragraph of my last post!

I don't get why your being disrespectful to me man.

Every single thread i've read, or posted, all say to use a PCT consisting of Nolva and Clomid. Sorry I guess everything i've been reading has been wrong.

Can you point me in the right direction of reading than if you won't help me?

 

[Dr JIM]

Telling you the truth is not being disrespectful.

You have to much to learn before beginning a cycle, that's my advice and I suspect few on Meso would disagree with me.

 

[boxcar]

Telling you the truth is not being disrespectful.

You have to much to learn before beginning a cycle, that's my advice and I suspect few on Meso would disagree with me.

I dont understand what truth your telling me.

All I understand is your saying PCT is not needed.

Are you suggesting a taper off for 6 weeks slowly lowering the dose?

And if i need to learn more, than please, by all means point me in the right direction because apparently i've been researching all false info.