Age Requirement For Steroids Use?!

[Kev Vaughn]

The unanimous consent on this forum is that steroids for people under the age of 25 are extremely harmful. Where is the evidence for this?

Now, I understand the majority of young people do not have the discipline nor the knowledge to properly use AAS. But this fact varies per individual.

From my understanding, it seems the body is much more resilient at a young age. Whereas when people become older, the body has an increasingly more difficult time to recover.

I simply do not see proper evidence for why a 20 year old male will have more severe health effects than a 30 year old male who is taking steroids? There is no way the 30 year old male's HPTA is more efficient and allows for better recovery.

Consider the following before posting in response to this thread:

1) Reasonable evidence must be available in your arguments

2) If you used steroids at an early age (under 25), your personal experience on this subject is extremely valuable, please share it.

3) Opinions (lacking evidence) can be posted but will be given less consideration

P.S: @Michael Scally MD, any input from you will likely render into my core conclusion regarding this matter. Please respond to this thread!

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Are you suggesting you found no evidence supporting that steroids can and often do disrupt the HPTA and endocrine system including the brain, particularly when underdeveloped and vulnerable? Nothing to suggest that growth plates can and often are retarded if supra physical amounts of exogenous testosterone are prematurely introduced during early development? Nothing to suggest that the level of maturity in each individual is important in order for the user to fully understand the effects and consequences and make intelligent decisions on how to cope with both?

I think you should spend a bit more time reaching these questions if you really have no clue on why its important to postpone the use of AAS in adolescents or otherwise young men who have not fully matured hormonally and mentally.

And Dr. Scally shouldn't have to come in here and tell you that.

 

[brutus79]

He is just a 21 year old dipshit looking for someone to cosign a cycle
When I was 21 I was pistol whipping old ladies for crack money. Just cycle- don't look for advice to support your ill advised idea! Who fucking cares what we say? Just a bunch of internet fuddy duddies trying to keep you from being swoll... pin a gram of test and a gram of tren tomorrow. I won't be losing sleep over it little boy.

 

[★Valkyrie★]

^ This

Not only is there a lot of background and mounting evidence supporting detrimental adverse effects concerning the endocrine and HTPA function,as well as pituitary related issues, but there is a great concern when it pertains to the CNS and signaling in the brain,with the CNS and neuro-trasmitters,when it concerns epinephrine and norepinephrine and serotoin, dopamine and other brain chemical. Disrupting pathways yielding server and sometimes permanent mental disorders (In young men).. With the presence of an increase sense of euphoria, it tends to lead to a more habitually and progressively higher doses and more exotic combinations..Essentially effective the cognitive thought process demonstrate a loss of inhibition and a lack of judgment.

It's a recipe for disaster..

There's a vast amount of information available, do some research!

But on that note, you requested information that pertains to it's adverse effects, why don't you submit us some information concerning the rewards and benefits that a young men/women can expect from utilizing AAS that will yield no health concerns or risks.

 

[Millard]

Now, I understand the majority of young people do not have the discipline nor the knowledge to properly use AAS. But this fact varies per individual.

From my understanding, it seems the body is much more resilient at a young age. Whereas when people become older, the body has an increasingly more difficult time to recover.

I simply do not see proper evidence for why a 20 year old male will have more severe health effects than a 30 year old male who is taking steroids? There is no way the 30 year old male's HPTA is more efficient and allows for better recovery.

Most AAS side effects may not be any worse in a young male than an older male. However, the younger male will be less likely to have the knowledge, the maturity, the emotional/financial/other resources needed to effectively deal with those side effects.

This is the primary objection to AAS use in young adults.

In addition, rarely does anyone under the age of 20 have the knowledgebase in training, nutrition and anabolic pharmacology that prepares them for AAS use.

Like any advanced skill, it takes time to acquire the education and learn its practical application. Five years is not an unreasonable length of time for its acquisition. Those under 20 simply have not had enough time to make such an investment.

Premature AAS use hijacks that education. So many AAS users NEVER really know how to train because they started steroids too soon. They think they do because they take AAS and they see results. They will never admit otherwise. The only thing they have really learned is that AAS make EVERY training protocol work no matter how misinformed or poorly-designed it may be.

Consequently, the individuals with the discipline and perseverance to train unassisted for the first five years will usually have the long-term advantage over the individuals who start using AAS right away.

Clearly, there is no age restriction on the aforementioned advice. Many 25 and 30 and 35 year olds aren't any better prepared. But if you believe in a free society where (adult) individuals are free to make their own choices, which includes the freedom to engage in risky behaviors, then adults fucking up AAS use is not as troubling as teens making the same mistakes.

At the risk of patronizing, we should do everything we can to discourage teenage steroid use. There is an obligation to help protect youth from themselves.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

......At the risk of patronizing, we should do everything we can to discourage teenage steroid use. There is an obligation to help protect youth from themselves.

Agreed. Especially in online forums where they are most vulnerable and take information at face value simply because the author has an unusually high post count or something similarly indicating "vet" status.

 

[dajr225]

Well I was doing meth, ecstasy, opiates, benzos etcetera from 16 to 24 so I wasn't gonna waste my money on aas. Lol. I'm in pct from my first cycle. I'm going on 27 years old. I trained hard core for 2.5 years before starting a cycle, but I've been physically active my whole life. Sports in high school, and then construction work and fighting all the time. Idk man. Train hard, eat hard, and sleep hard. I'd recommend waiting till at least 23 to 25 and study this for at least a year before jumping on.

 

[★Valkyrie★]

Outstanding approach Millard, summarizing users as a whole,a body so to speak,when it concerns consequences and adverse effects regardless of the age, in lieu of making young adults the focal point..Education is the premise of progress, therefor I concur that we have a moral obligation to discourage AAS usage with young adults.
The purpose to educating people about this lifestyle is to replace an empty mind with an open one, by listening to different approaches/protocols and distinguishing the differences!

 

[Big_paul]

I feel that if someone understands the pro's and con's it's not my place to tell another adult what is right or wrong.

 

[Big_paul]

I feel that if someone understands the pro's and con's it's not my place to tell another adult what is right or wrong.

 

[Kev Vaughn]

Are you suggesting you found no evidence supporting that steroids can and often do disrupt the HPTA and endocrine system including the brain, particularly when underdeveloped and vulnerable? Nothing to suggest that growth plates can and often are retarded if supra physical amounts of exogenous testosterone are prematurely introduced during early development? Nothing to suggest that the level of maturity in each individual is important in order for the user to fully understand the effects and consequences and make intelligent decisions on how to cope with both?

I think you should spend a bit more time reaching these questions if you really have no clue on why its important to postpone the use of AAS in adolescents or otherwise young men who have not fully matured hormonally and mentally.

And Dr. Scally shouldn't have to come in here and tell you that.

Indeed I have found evidence that do support exactly what you're trying to postulate. Except, there also exists counter-evidence that suggests AAS use at an early age can be a good idea due to the resilient nature of the body.

Nonetheless, the mental association with steroids at an early age is ofcourse another story; which, I believe, varies per individual. I will admit, though, that in most of all cases, the mental associations with steroid use at an early age is perhaps the most detrimental factor (due to lack of knowledge, discipline, experience etc.)

He is just a 21 year old dipshit looking for someone to cosign a cycle
When I was 21 I was pistol whipping old ladies for crack money. Just cycle- don't look for advice to support your ill advised idea! Who fucking cares what we say? Just a bunch of internet fuddy duddies trying to keep you from being swoll... pin a gram of test and a gram of tren tomorrow. I won't be losing sleep over it little boy.

Brutus, you're a funny guy I'll admit, in fact, I like clowns. Still, I don't need anyone's approval to cycle, that is not this thread's purpose. I am only conducting research which I owe to myself before inserting foreign substances into my body.

This ain't no circus, boy.

But on that note, you requested information that pertains to it's adverse effects, why don't you submit us some information concerning the rewards and benefits that a young men/women can expect from utilizing AAS that will yield no health concerns or risks.

Firstly, thank you for your input. As for your counter request, there is no such thing as AAS use in young men/women that yield to NO health concerns or risks. There will always be health concerns/risks with the use of AAS regardless of age. That being said, it would be up to the individual to weigh such health concerns/risks with the rewards and benefits of AAS use at whatever age. So the question remains: is it worth it at a younger age? Why so or why not? That, I don't have a definitive answer for.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Show me one piece of "evidence" that suggests premature AAS use in adolescents is a "good idea due to the resilient nature of the body."

 

[Kev Vaughn]

Most AAS side effects may not be any worse in a young male than an older male. However, the younger male will be less likely to have the knowledge, the maturity, the emotional/financial/other resources needed to effectively deal with those side effects.

This is the primary objection to AAS use in young adults.

In addition, rarely does anyone under the age of 20 have the knowledgebase in training, nutrition and anabolic pharmacology that prepares them for AAS use.

Like any advanced skill, it takes time to acquire the education and learn its practical application. Five years is not an unreasonable length of time for its acquisition. Those under 20 simply have not had enough time to make such an investment.

Premature AAS use hijacks that education. So many AAS users NEVER really know how to train because they started steroids too soon. They think they do because they take AAS and they see results. They will never admit otherwise. The only thing they have really learned is that AAS make EVERY training protocol work no matter how misinformed or poorly-designed it may be.

Consequently, the individuals with the discipline and perseverance to train unassisted for the first five years will usually have the long-term advantage over the individuals who start using AAS right away.

Clearly, there is no age restriction on the aforementioned advice. Many 25 and 30 and 35 year olds aren't any better prepared. But if you believe in a free society where (adult) individuals are free to make their own choices, which includes the freedom to engage in risky behaviors, then adults fucking up AAS use is not as troubling as teens making the same mistakes.

At the risk of patronizing, we should do everything we can to discourage teenage steroid use. There is an obligation to help protect youth from themselves.

Very interesting ideas. So, according to you, it seems that this unanimous consent regarding age restriction and AAS use is entirely due to the mental associations of AAS use at a younger age, rather than the physical affects (endocrine system/underdevelopment). I'll look more into it.

Thank you for your input.

 

[brutus79]

Show me one piece of "evidence" that suggests premature AAS use in adolescents is a "good idea due to the resilient nature of the body."

Don't waste your breath. He laid out in his op what he felt were the most relevant sources of informative posts... for someone who knows nothing he sure knows what demographics he feels are fit to provide him with the information he needs to start a premature cycle.

 

[Kev Vaughn]

I feel that if someone understands the pro's and con's it's not my place to tell another adult what is right or wrong.

Yes, but no matter how much research one conducts, no matter how critical he or she can process the research they conduct, no one can understand the ENTIRE truth of whether it is "right or wrong" at whatever age, right?

 

[Northern Nutrition]

No, you interpreted that incorrectly. Millard didn't say the reason is "entirely due to the mental associations of AAS use at a younger age", he indicated that this is ONE of the primary reasons and alluded to the fact that there are many others to be considered in his following paragraph. However, he simply choose to expand on this point. Re read the flow of this thread. That's what he did and then commented.

 

[Kev Vaughn]

Don't waste your breath. He laid out in his op what he felt were the most relevant sources of informative posts... for someone who knows nothing he sure knows what demographics he feels are fit to provide him with the information he needs to start a premature cycle.

Could never tell when you're being facetious or serious.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Yes, but no matter how much research one conducts, no matter how critical he or she can process the research they conduct, no one can understand the ENTIRE truth of whether it is "right or wrong" at whatever age, right?

Correct. But if you look at the larger picture you will see a pattern of issues occurring before the age of the AVERAGE endocrine system and body maturation. This TYPICALLY takes place around the age of early to mid 20's in MOST healthy men.

There is no exact age.

 

[Kev Vaughn]

No, you interpreted that incorrectly. Millard didn't say the reason is "entirely due to the mental associations of AAS use at a younger age", he indicated that this is ONE of the primary reasons and alluded to the fact that there are many others to be considered in his following paragraph. However, he simply choose to expand on this point. Re read the flow of this thread. That's what he did and then commented.

I see what you mean. I should not have used the word "entirely" in that post.

Correct. But if you look at the larger picture you will see a pattern of issues occurring before the age of the AVERAGE endocrine system and body maturation. This TYPICALLY takes place around the age of early to mid 20's in MOST healthy men.

There is no exact age.

Hmmm, this is exactly what I'm skeptical about and is the reason why I posted this thread. I'll be on a lookout for this pattern you talk about as I search deeper.

 

[Millard]

Very interesting ideas. So, according to you, it seems that this unanimous consent regarding age restriction and AAS use is entirely due to the mental associations of AAS use at a younger age, rather than the physical affects (endocrine system/underdevelopment). I'll look more into it.

Thank you for your input.

No, you interpreted that incorrectly. Millard didn't say the reason is "entirely due to the mental associations of AAS use at a younger age", he indicated that this is ONE of the primary reasons and alluded to the fact that there are many others to be considered in his following paragraph. However, he simply choose to expand on this point. Re read the flow of this thread. That's what he did and then commented.

No, there are physiologic reasons that may be of concern with the introduction of AAS at a relatively young age i.e. adolescence/early adulthood. For example, the brain doesn't fully mature until the early 20s. Androgens are known to have a major influence on the brain during this developmental period. It seems like a fundamentally bad idea to introduce large supraphysiologic dosages of testosterone and synthetic AAS. Could it permanently alter the organization of the brain during this important developmental period? That's the question. I'd rather individuals err on the side of caution.