Guaiacol - Use At Your Own Risk

[Astartes]

Can you brew test E or C at 500 with only a carrier oil and BA+BB? I mean with a reasonable oil, like organic or MCT and not EO or miglyol. If you can, then great! Another reason some guys have to think twice before brew with guaiacol.

Yep. 22-25% BB. As a result I don’t brew with EO anymore either. Still researching it deeply.

 

[Benf15harp]

There's 3 different types of Miglyol, the 810, 812 and 840. The first 2 are kinda safe since they're derived from MCT oil and caprylic acid.

The 840 most likely can increase inflamation since it's a propylene glycol diester. Propylene glycol can be inflammatory and cause an allergic response to many people. It's been used mostly in cosmetics.. Many of us have used it in topical minoxidil, if you have that itching and discomfort it's from the PG.

That's why some companies like Minoxidil Max have a complete line up with PG and one without it. It's not as shitty as guaicol but there's no reason to chose a brew in Miglyol instead of MCT or even better organic carrier oils like sesame or GSO. The only advantage of Miglyol is its extremely low dynamic viscocity rating, making it suitable for brewing high concentration per ml.

I believe with a hs CRP test and a CBC you can see if it's toxic for you or not. I would avoid it though since there's plenty of UGL that brew in better oils.

Miglyol 812 is MCT oil and is used by some large AAS distributors such as deus medical.

 

[Astartes]

Fuck guiacol or whatever that crap is, it gave me burning sensation while injecting. I was crazy enough some time ago to tolerate injectable drol made with this poison...

Yep. At low % it is more anesthetic.

As dosage % of total inject and mg rises it starts to burn at site of injection. (Because it is degrading tissue and attacking nerves.) That is around the time my systemic symptoms really started to coalesce in to more serious problems.

Though I will say liver enzymes were elevated last 3 years for first time ever. I associated it with age and blasts. Nope…. came right down with removal of Guaiacol.

 

[Astartes]

This isn’t helpful

OMG!! Not a burning sensation. Hope you’re ok.

 

[DECLAN]

This isn’t helpful

Just a troll don’t mind him.

 

[Benf15harp]

Yep. At low % it is more anesthetic.

As dosage % of total inject and mg rises it starts to burn at site of injection. (Because it is degrading tissue and attacking nerves.) That is around the time my systemic symptoms really started to coalesce in to more serious problems.

Though I will say liver enzymes were elevated last 3 years for first time ever. I associated it with age and blasts. Nope…. came right down with removal of Guaiacol.

Did you stop taking whatever that contained guaiacol or did you switch to a different manufacturer sans the guaiacol? If the latter was the dosage the same in continued usage?

 

[Eddie.]

Miglylol812 is MCT oil and is used by some large AAS distributors such as deus medical.

Did you read the post? I don't know if they're technically the same though. Not a brand i'd trust anyways..

There's 3 different types of Miglyol, the 810, 812 and 840. The first 2 are kinda safe since they're derived from MCT oil and caprylic acid.

The 840 most likely can increase inflamation since it's a propylene glycol diester. Propylene glycol can be inflammatory and cause an allergic response to many people. It's been used mostly in cosmetics.. Many of us have used it in topical minoxidil, if you have that itching and discomfort it's from the PG.

That's why some companies like Minoxidil Max have a complete line up with PG and one without it. It's not as shitty as guaicol but there's no reason to chose a brew in Miglyol instead of MCT or even better organic carrier oils like sesame or GSO. The only advantage of Miglyol is its extremely low dynamic viscocity rating, making it suitable for brewing high concentration per ml.

I believe with a hs CRP test and a CBC you can see if it's toxic for you or not. I would avoid it though since there's plenty of UGL that brew in better oils.

 

[Benf15harp]

Just a troll don’t mind him.

Also not helpful.

 

[Benf15harp]

Did you read the post? I don't know if they're technically the same though. Not a brand i'd trust anyways..

Yes and they are. Deus medical is legitimate.

 

[Astartes]

Did you stop taking whatever that contained guaiacol or did you switch to a different manufacturer sans the guaiacol? If the latter was the dosage the same in continued usage?

Brewing my own, so disposed of a painful amount of product. Hence my understanding of percentage ramp up and the symptom onsets

 

[Benf15harp]

Brewing my own, so disposed of a painful amount of product. Hence my understanding of percentage ramp up and the symptom onsets

So the potency is the same? Dosage taken is the same?

 

[bigboy420]

Yes and they are. Deus medical is legitimate.

Streetshitters with guaiacol and nobody cares lul

 

[Benf15harp]

Streetshitters with guaiacol and nobody cares lul

Those lovely Indian people produce about 99% of all generics and vaccines.

 

[Astartes]

So the potency is the same? Dosage taken is the same?

Referring to Guaiacol not the PED

 

[Benf15harp]

Referring to Guaiacol not the PED

Im asking about the ped

 

[juicy122]

First time I ever ran tren with guicaul in it I broke out in acne and rashes . Had allergic reaction, kept injecting it thinking it will subside and realized it has to be guaical never touched anything with that shit ever again I think It would have killed me had I pushed another week.

 

[bigboy420]

and realized it has to be guaical

How did you realize tho?
Labtest?

 

[MindlessWork]

What risks does miglyol have?

Mig80 gives me a nasty allergic reaction akin to an infection. Guac based gear never tried, however.

 

[Zebedee]

Fair question.

I tolerate high concentration PIP well. Guaiacol helped with that PIP due to anesthetic impact at low %s and allowed me to play with higher and higher concentrations

I don’t really get the obsession of some with higher concentration gear. Eg just as an example, at traditional concentrations, 1g test PW is 4mls or 2x 2ml injections, which is nothing. If you’re using 400mg/ml test, then (aside from dec / undec) most are going to still do 2x PW shots of 1.25ml, which doesn’t offer any real advantages over 2x 2ml.

Yes high concentrations have their place for some, but the average Meso member isn’t going to struggle with oil volume, although there does seem to be a lot of paranoia & misinformation about oil volume per site / per injection.

 

[Astartes]

Partially because some enjoy the chemistry of it, and partially because it allows a person to inject 3ml vs 6ml a week or more. (Just as an example) Less scar tissue, less poking, less rotation, less mental fatigue. Etc etc….